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Varig With B767-300 To South Africa  
User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

Varig will change equipment on the routes GRU-JNB and GRU-CPT-JNB from an MD11 to B763 since July. Lack of passengers or fleet reassigment?


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User currently offlineGaleaocumbica From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Hi,

I don't think it is true.
Varig just started flying to JNB again and I don't believe they have to change A/C already.

Cheers

GaleaoCumbica


User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 687 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5008 times:

amadeus shows a 763..

User currently offlineTrey From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

i was in cpt 2 weeks ago and there was a varig md-11 parked there for 4 or 5 days. it looks like they were working on the right engine. anyone know anything?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

You'd have to fly a 763 pretty far out of the way to get around ETOPS concerns on this route.

Can't imagine its a good idea.

N


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

How long is the flight to JNB? leaving Sao Paolo or Rio?
It cannot be such a long flight, considering how far south in the atlantic both cities are. What 8 hours tops? or am I way off?



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

According to Reservations Systems:

GRU-CPT is 08:55 hours long for 3966 miles
CPT-GRU is 10:00 hours long for 3966 miles
GRU-JNB is 09:50 hours long for 4642 miles
JNB-GRU is 11:00 hours long for 4642 miles

SABRE shows a B763 from July.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4578 times:

Fleet reassignment, as the MD11 is going back to MIA-GRU and MIA-GIG. Though the 767 is better suited for this market.


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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4386 times:


Definitely none of those routes are out of the way for the 763ER. So they aren't flying to South Africa from GIG?
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4265 times:

LACK OF ACFT AS THEY REDUCED THEIR FLEET A LOT. THIS IS NOT TECHNICAL REASON. JUST LACK OF ACFT.

User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 372 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4259 times:

Flights start in GIG but make a stop in GRU before leaving for South Africa.

User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

JJMNGR,

As usual a wrong statement coming from you sir, and not surprisingly, again some Varig bashing, hun?

FYI Varig introduced two 777-200 (non-ER) and six MD11s (ex-LX) with a seventh and last MD11 expected to join soon. Also the 767 fleet was increased with two units (ex-TWA/PW engines). So I would say that the fleet over the last three months, specially regarding wide body planes was increased rather than reduced. Also narrow body fleet is being slowly increased with four 737-400s on the way (one already delivered) and all this 757 talk.

Reason for this gauge change on the JNB run is - according to my sources - the low pax numbers, the average loading over ther last weeks has being around 180 pax, well below the max. capacity of the MD11s. Conversely, SAA flights to JNB are always with good pax loads, thanks mainly to good connections in JNB with SAA to other desitinations.

As mentioned earlier, they will have to make a big detour to keep the flight under ETOPS rules, iirc, RG 767s have only 120min ETOPS, time will tell if this change is for good...or not.

Cheers

RS



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3776 times:

Right, the map for 120min ETOPS show a very big detour for a 767:



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Completely out of topic...but watching the map that Arcano posted here... do LAN's 763ER have the same 120min ETOPS limitation?
I ask this because in the map I can see Easter Island (the circular spot left of South America) and then Tahiti...and there is a dark space between Chile/Easter Island and between Easter Island/Tahiti. So how could they fly this route if they have that limitation?

(I apologize for my ignorance)


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Fanatico de LAN:

Some LA767s (not sure if all of them) use GE CF6-80C2 engines, with an ETOPS of 180 minutes.

Look at the map:



So you can fly to Easter Island and Papeete feeling safe in the proudly wings of Lan Chile. The one and only Latin American Airline that matters



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Ah...ya veo

Thanks for the clarification Arcano.

And very good end of message!



User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Dear Arcano...

Even being a Brazilian I'm not driven by nationalist blindness.. that said I'm not shy in saying that the LAN product is indeed the best around in South/Latin America.

Way to go LAN!

Gran saludos

Renato



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3549 times:

O brigado (I never learned how to write it!) Renato.

Actually, I was laughing with that comment, you know how we latin americans love to defend our airline lutamdo com unhas e dentes  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
I know LA is very good indeed, by far my favorite, but not the only one that matters! I've heard very good comments lately about AM...Too bad Lan Argentina is delayed...

BTW: I went to SCL today to farewell my best friend on a RG's flight (777). The delay was 1 hour! God...

Saludos! and please loose the match against Chile in Copa America!



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

One hour delay only? That's piece of cake..

Now seriously, the 777 making the GRU-SCL-GRU flight comes from Europe, on an early to mid morning arrival. Fact is that during this time of the year GRU can have some foggy mornings and maybe it was delayed due weather conditions in GRU, ie. below Cat II around the arrival time of the 777 from Europe... That´s only a guess... this week we had this situation at least two times.

Two side notes, "thanks" is spelled "obrigado" not "o brigado" and regarding the soccer game, I'm probably one of the few Brazilians who has no interest at all in this game.

Saludos!

Renato



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Dear RS,

VARIG is doing great!!! They are in really good shape. They lost near USD700 million last year and they have a negative patrimony near USD2.5 BILLION. Everything is going perfect.

I am sorry for the fact of I do not agree that most of people looks to an airline and just see the quantity of aircraft they have and based on this, classify this airline as a good on or not...

For people that lives abroad and read something in papers, it is perfectly understandable that will acknowledge that is in the papers. By the way a piece of paper accepts anything. If papers say that everything is fine, so everybody is going to read and ack it is fine. Reality is another thing.

I am out of this question. VARIG if fine, they do not face a crisis. I am a lier....





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