The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5431 times:
Not surprising. Obviously CX thinks it can win by increasing frequency. It would seem that one of the 333 services MEL used to get will now be used on the SYD route. It's obviously targeting the high-yield market here because it will have 24F, 96J and 633Y seats per day, compared to QF's 14F, 85J and 582Y seats. 30 of QF's J seats will be standard non-sleepers (until the A330's get upgraded), so obviously CX is targeting the high-yield market here which is smart. The perceived higher quality of CX in Y will also gain them passengers, there is more than enough demand to fill CX Y class even if QF Y is completely filled first, so CX gains better yields as they are usually about $30 or so more expensive than QF ex SYD.
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
Great news for Cathay...and their stockholders!
Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around. Heck the 1hr and 35 min. of the other one also seems tight. I guess that they probably also arrive in SYD early quite a bit.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2545 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5323 times:
"Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around."
I would have thought the same. Not that I'm an expert or anything but if it takes 15-20 minutes to get through the entire boarding process, plus late passengers, cleaning the plane, not to mention getting the people from the arriving flight off of the plane an hour and 10 for an International flight sounds tight.
Can anyone working in this area shed some light on it????
"I really think they should bring the 744 back to SYD and leave the 333 back to MEL! surely us Sydneysiders deserve better than a 333."
I'd rather have the option of double daily flights!!!!!
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5314 times:
They do have double daily flights from SYD-HKG already???
do you mean MEL-HKG?
The 1.10 hours turnaround is possible as the 333 is not as big as the 744. Also the CX100 is usually early and due to the late departure, pax normally would've all checked in already and avoided any traffic jams.
In my experience on the CX100 and 101, they seldom delay the flight due to lack of turnaround time.
Also in HKG the boarding process is via dual airbridge, which speeds things up considerably. The fun thing is everytime I get check the display at the lounge and it saids ready for boarding, by the time I get to the gate, it is under Final Call already.
The Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1415 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5302 times:
It's a conservative departure time because it has to take into account unexpected delays. If the plane is more than 40 minutes late the curfew will keep the plane grounded for the night. The short turn-around time gives them more room to manoeuvre if it gets tight.
I once flew on EK413 to DXB from SYD. Scheduled departure was 2150, the plane was an hour late, we took off at 2258!!! Talk about cutting it fine...
Airbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 642 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
Curfew at SYD is 23:00 (!!!!) ... after all, we mustn't keep those people awake, including a prominent soon-to-be ex Labor MP, who moved close to the airport despite they knew that planes make noise.
Anyway, back to CX ... I would welcome the 2 new flights. Timings are great... a good night's sleep on the way up to HKG, and lot's of movies and great service - a pleasant day's flying - on the way back! Also, we can now finally connect - after a few hours in HK - with the daylight A340 to LHR. Perfect!
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
To follow up my earlier question, does anyone know the approximate time to fuel the aircraft as well? I have heard upwards of an hour for a 744 doing an really long flight...which I know HKG-SYD is not, but it is still quite a distance. Specifically, what about a 330 for that run?
As for loading and unloading a plane, I could understand 20-30 minutes for departure, perhaps 10 minutes to deplane, and still some time to clean up the plane (I assume that they actually take time to make sure that the interiors are clean...something that is often ignored over here! ). So, loading and unloading passengers should not be a problem.
Still, with fuel, cargo, and other provisions, it seems to be cutting things close. However, they know what they are doing, so I should not question them. Hopefully, the flight does not arrive late very often since the schedule allows little to no leeway...made even worse by the curfew.
Anyway, thanks for the responses to my question everyone. I appreciate it.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16302 posts, RR: 87 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
HKG-JFK requires 3 aircraft, most likely, but certainly no less than 2.
Continental utilizes 3 B777s on EWR-HKG.
Think about it. To operate a daily flight or even 5x weekly 2 of the three planes are in the air at the same time with a third having only a small amount of time to get ready for the next westbound departure.
Cathay will be discontinuing the 346 service to SYD.