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Cathay Pacific Adds Daily Non-stop Service To SYD  
User currently offlineVictor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 6831 times:

CX139 *new flight Hong Kong 0900 - Sydney 2110 Daily
CX138 *new flight Sydney 2220 - Hong Kong 0500+1 Daily

CX101 Hong Kong 2345 - Sydney 1155+1 Daily
CX100 Sydney 1615 - Hong Kong 2225 Daily
CX111 Hong Kong 1910 - Sydney 0715+1 Daily
CX110 Sydney 0850 - Hong Kong 1500 Daily

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User currently offlineCathay250 From Hong Kong, joined Aug 1999, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Further update is one of the MEL flight (CX134/135) will be upgraded to 744

User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6717 times:

All Sydney flights are A330, and yes one MEL flight will be a 744.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6683 times:

All Sydney flights? What about CX 100/101?

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

This is remain same with those flights from SYD-HKG flight. It would be perfect time for connecting in HKG hub.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6566 times:


I thought one of the Sydney flights was an A340-600??? Or do you mean with the increased services that then all the flights will be A330's??


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6559 times:

CX138/139 will do great business as it provides great connections to and from European Ports that tended to arrive in HKG back in the morning from Europe.

A lot of competition now on SYD-HKG what with CX (an extra daily flight A330 flight) VS (daily A346 flight) , QF (upgrading from 763 to A333 three times a week) and Dragon Air looking to fly.





User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6524 times:

Not surprising. Obviously CX thinks it can win by increasing frequency. It would seem that one of the 333 services MEL used to get will now be used on the SYD route. It's obviously targeting the high-yield market here because it will have 24F, 96J and 633Y seats per day, compared to QF's 14F, 85J and 582Y seats. 30 of QF's J seats will be standard non-sleepers (until the A330's get upgraded), so obviously CX is targeting the high-yield market here which is smart. The perceived higher quality of CX in Y will also gain them passengers, there is more than enough demand to fill CX Y class even if QF Y is completely filled first, so CX gains better yields as they are usually about $30 or so more expensive than QF ex SYD.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6505 times:

Great news for Cathay...and their stockholders!  Big grin

Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around. Heck the 1hr and 35 min. of the other one also seems tight. I guess that they probably also arrive in SYD early quite a bit.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Why no 744 in SYD??

I really think they should bring the 744 back to SYD and leave the 333 back to MEL! surely us Sydneysiders deserve better than a 333.


1hr and 10 minutes is plenty to turnaround a 333.
I know CX can turn around a 744 (from YVR-JFK) is less than 1.5 hours

Asian people are just more efficient and effective


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Just checked with CX on the folllowing:


CX101 HKG 23:45 SYD 11:55+1 SMTWTFS 346
CX100 SYD 16:15 HKG 22:25 SMTWTFS 346

At least we get the 346, but I still prefer the 744. I think I might have to goto MEL and then just fly back to SYD.

But the good thing about the new flight is the late departure!!
something that CX should've done a long time ago!!

is QF reinstating their overnight service to HKG as well?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3016 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6416 times:


"Just out of curiousity, how difficult is that turnaround for the new flight going to be. I don't know a lot about the details, but I would think that 1 hr and 10 minutes would be pretty tight for turning a widebody around."

I would have thought the same. Not that I'm an expert or anything but if it takes 15-20 minutes to get through the entire boarding process, plus late passengers, cleaning the plane, not to mention getting the people from the arriving flight off of the plane an hour and 10 for an International flight sounds tight.

Can anyone working in this area shed some light on it????

"I really think they should bring the 744 back to SYD and leave the 333 back to MEL! surely us Sydneysiders deserve better than a 333."

I'd rather have the option of double daily flights!!!!!


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

They do have double daily flights from SYD-HKG already???
do you mean MEL-HKG?

The 1.10 hours turnaround is possible as the 333 is not as big as the 744. Also the CX100 is usually early and due to the late departure, pax normally would've all checked in already and avoided any traffic jams.

In my experience on the CX100 and 101, they seldom delay the flight due to lack of turnaround time.

Also in HKG the boarding process is via dual airbridge, which speeds things up considerably. The fun thing is everytime I get check the display at the lounge and it saids ready for boarding, by the time I get to the gate, it is under Final Call already.


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6395 times:

It's a conservative departure time because it has to take into account unexpected delays. If the plane is more than 40 minutes late the curfew will keep the plane grounded for the night. The short turn-around time gives them more room to manoeuvre if it gets tight.

I once flew on EK413 to DXB from SYD. Scheduled departure was 2150, the plane was an hour late, we took off at 2258!!! Talk about cutting it fine...



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User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

What is the curfew in SYD? Is it 12 or 1am?

Looking at the schedule carefully, CX is cutting it a bit fine.

So is this the bonus CX got as part of the VS entry from HKG-SYD?

Or they will still get the LHR-JFK routing??

At least the 744 is returning the AUS (Alibeit the WRONG city - you lucky melbouners!)

QF must feel the heat now.

Are there any news to the fares for the Dec 2004 period yet?

Must be interesting

7 flights to choose from DAILY from SYD-HKG
I think SYD-HKG will soon be like JFK-LHR


User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6338 times:

Curfew at SYD is 23:00 (!!!!) ... after all, we mustn't keep those people awake, including a prominent soon-to-be ex Labor MP, who moved close to the airport despite they knew that planes make noise.

Anyway, back to CX ... I would welcome the 2 new flights. Timings are great... a good night's sleep on the way up to HKG, and lot's of movies and great service - a pleasant day's flying - on the way back! Also, we can now finally connect - after a few hours in HK - with the daylight A340 to LHR. Perfect!


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

The choice is great. Also I can sneak back to HKG for a hoilday on a Friday (Night) and come back by Monday (early in the morning)

Whereas before I had to either take Friday OFF or sneak out after lunch!

The choice is great. Will QF still offer the night flight to SYD as well??
I hope they get rid of those 763. It is CLEARLY in appropriate on such important and prestigious routes!


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6317 times:

Cx123, you live in Sydney and you don't know when the curfew is...

The issue is plastered every single election, every single time a new airport is mentioned, any time there is a near-miss.



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User currently offlineCX773 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

CX101/100 will be A333 in stead of A346 as all 3 A346 will run the HKG-JFK route.

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6286 times:

The Coachman,

I live in Sydney, but not near the airport.

Also all my air travels in SYD are during the day (CX - HKG, BA - LHR/SIN, QF-LAX-JFK are all flights leaving before 6pm)

CX773
On the timetable it clearly said it will use the 346 on CX 100/101.

I thought CX has 3 346. That is plenty to serve SYD and JFK??


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

To follow up my earlier question, does anyone know the approximate time to fuel the aircraft as well? I have heard upwards of an hour for a 744 doing an really long flight...which I know HKG-SYD is not, but it is still quite a distance. Specifically, what about a 330 for that run?

As for loading and unloading a plane, I could understand 20-30 minutes for departure, perhaps 10 minutes to deplane, and still some time to clean up the plane (I assume that they actually take time to make sure that the interiors are clean...something that is often ignored over here!  Smile ). So, loading and unloading passengers should not be a problem.

Still, with fuel, cargo, and other provisions, it seems to be cutting things close. However, they know what they are doing, so I should not question them. Hopefully, the flight does not arrive late very often since the schedule allows little to no leeway...made even worse by the curfew.

Anyway, thanks for the responses to my question everyone. I appreciate it.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

3 A346's enough for JFK.... no way!!. These aircraft spend half their time at HAECO!!

User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

I thought they only need 1 to operate the HKG-JFK route
1 for the HKG-SYD route,

The other one is for emergency and problems witht he plane.

I mean given there are so many options now from JFK (route pax on CX889 via YVR or via YYZ) for SYD, they can put the pax on the other 2 flights or route them via MEL.

Therefore it seems ok.

Otherwise why would they use it on SYD then?


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

HKG-JFK requires 3 aircraft, most likely, but certainly no less than 2.

Continental utilizes 3 B777s on EWR-HKG.

Think about it. To operate a daily flight or even 5x weekly 2 of the three planes are in the air at the same time with a third having only a small amount of time to get ready for the next westbound departure.

Cathay will be discontinuing the 346 service to SYD.

N


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

When will CX Discontinue its 346 service to SYD?
According to the online timetable, they will be using the 346 at the end of the year.

How many 346 does CX have?

I guess possibly, CX might have more then 3 A346.


25 Gigneil : CX has 3 A340-642s, all leased. The timetable is incorrect regarding the equipment. N
26 Gigneil : I just checked the CX online schedule and the equipment listed for both CX 101 and 111 is EQV starting 01 Jul, so I don't know what you're looking at.
27 SOHK : CX101/100 is scheduled as EQV for JUL04 and AUG04. But from SEP04 onwards, it's scheduled to be the 346. HKG/SYD only needs one 346 to fly. While HKG/
28 Cx123 : Yep thay makes sense, thankyou for your confirmation. Do you think there are any chance of a 744 to SYD?? I think if VS does comes to SYD (hahah judgi
29 Gigneil : cx123, an airline cannot fly a certain type empty just due to marketing reasons. Its horribly bad business. If CX can fill a 744, they'll fly a 744. O
30 Cx123 : Gigneil Refer to post 27 for the timetable issue you had. I think being an american sometime you don't understand how Asian People think. As most CX p
31 Gigneil : Also there is NO way is the world you can say a 763 is more comfortable than a 744 (given the seats are the same pitch and width - and normally the 76
32 Cx123 : "CX and SQ are hardly representative of the whole region." Urmm I think you better take it back. Look at all the statistics and facts around you. I wo
33 SA7700 : Ditto, Gigneil Flown many 747's and 767's over the years. I experience the 767 as more comfortable. At least in economy and business..... Regards SA77
34 Cx123 : I think the other dislike about 763 is that airlines generally DO NOT put new products on them (eg. QF).
35 Cathay250 : Yes it is indeed the Asian preferences for BIG! I can tell you even A330/340 are considered to be small for many people that i meet in HK, coz everyon
36 Calvin99 : hm.. there isn't any need to argue whether B767 or B747 is more comfortable or not.. the whole comfortable or cramp terms is very vague.. and everyone
37 Cx123 : I know, Asian people do have funny taste, but I can see where that are coming from: (Double Decker, 4 engines = better than 2 engines, single deck) Of
38 SOHK : I don't actually think CX will send the 744 to SYD in the short term especially when there will be 3 daily soon. I mean it's better to have the flight
39 Cx123 : It is a Shame SYD will not see the 744 in the near future.
40 Cathay250 : Let's face it, more frequency or 744? I hope we got a night flight for the Mel route too
41 Cx123 : I prefer just 2 flights (1 day and 1 night) and one fo them = 744. To be honest, I guess people who want to connect to LHR during the day can now take
42 SOHK : I don't really understand why it's a shame that SYD don't get the CX 744. Obviously from a passenger's point of view, more frequency is better. The ne
43 Mandala499 : "Also there is NO way is the world you can say a 763 is more comfortable than a 744 (given the seats are the same pitch and width - and normally the 7
44 Cathay250 : CX123, Well i am perfectly fine with the 333. Like what i said, unless you are in F or J upperdeck, then you simply have too many people to jump over
45 Cx123 : I tried the morning flights CX110 and CX111 before and I will try and avoid it! 1) the catering on CX110 is really bad (Lack of food) even in F and J
46 Cathay250 : Well Have to agree CX110, or in my case CX134 are badly catered. Or i should say they are way worse then those afternoon flights. I flown yesterday' C
47 Cx123 : Well yes, I agree with those MORNING flight departing HKG and arriving late in SYD. I know QF did not do well on those flights. But I guess they need
48 SOHK : The CX139 (9am departure from HKG to SYD) is targeted for connecting passengers from Europe and USA/Canada. Meals ex outports such as SYD and MEL gene
49 Cx123 : No the meal do GET COLD still as they put all the PRE PLATED meals on the trolley. Therefore I cannot see any improvement in Tempreature or hygene! I
50 Gigneil : You Melbouners should not be so GREEDY This is the funniest thing I've ever heard you say. Have you ever met yourself? Let's face it, more frequency o
51 Cx123 : I am not a full business traveller, the majority of my flights are for leisure. The CX110 is a really bad flight as it leave SYD @ 7:30am. Even for Bu
52 SOHK : From my experience, the pre-plated main course is very hot when they served it to me. And they also had 2 FAs working on the trolley. "I have flown CX
53 Cx123 : I must say in the past MPO do take any suggetions or complaints seriously. I remember I once complained about my the change over of MPO system (from K
54 SOHK : "Well why is there a need for Melbourne to: 1) get the 744 2) get an extra flight? SYD is the Important city in AUS and where CX gets most of the traf
55 Cx123 : But there might be even MORE demand (especially given the December Holiday season). Why should they just follow the norm?
56 Cx123 : Just out of curioisty, do you guys at MEL get an extra meal from MEL-ADL?? I remember a long time ago, CX did servce a meal from MEL-SYD.
57 SOHK : "But there might be even MORE demand (especially given the December Holiday season). Why should they just follow the norm?" Well, in that case, CX mig
58 SOHK : Not too sure about the MEL-ADL run. But the CNS-BNE-HKG flight, there's a Brunch served on the CNS-BNE sector and then 2 meals served on the BNE-HKG s
59 Cathay250 : CX123, Well th first thing is, i didn't asked for the 744 and in fact i prefer 333, if there is a choice of 3 333 and one 744 and one 333, i definitel
60 FlyboyOz : Yes, Cathay Pacific sometimes uses a B744 to Sydney. It depends on the numbers of pax or A346 has a mechanical problem. Last year (Novermber 2004), I
61 Cx123 : Just to Clarify: It must cost more the preplate, but they reduced the portions and quality definitely. They offered only 2 choice (E-Fu Noodles and Om
62 The Coachman : Cx123, you show the greatest amount of naivety and assume the most unbelievable things that I have EVER seen on this forum. You assume that people eat
63 TexAussie : CX is great! And we here in MEL are looking forward to our new 747-400 service! Hmmm... CX 744 with all the ammenities or an old 763 on QF. Wonder whi
64 SOHK : Cx123, I suppose it would be a good idea for you to eat some food in the lounge prior to boarding any flight in the future incase the portion may not
65 Cx123 : Coachman, Can you PLEASE donot put word into my mouth! I never said I prefer the Middle seat in J Class on a 744. I prefer to Upper Deck and also the
66 Airbus A3XX : CX123: Please stop making the generalization about "many HK people DO prefer the 744". I've grown up in Hong Kong and have been living there for 17 ye
67 VirginFlyer : Gentlemen, can this please return to the topic at hand, namely Cathay Pacific adding another service to Sydney. V/F
68 Cx123 : OK, But just before the following note: SOHK, Unfortunately the Lounge in SYD is QF (I heard you guys have an actual CX lounge) and the food in there
69 SOHK : Well, since CX138 is a paired flight with CX139, if CX139 makes it in before the curfew and some delays occur during turnaround and runs into the curf
70 Cx123 : I guess CX have to risk it because of the European and USA conneting flights to HKG. I will definitely try the overnight service to HKG!
71 Post contains images United Airline : Yes, quite a lot of people in Hong Kong do prefer the B 747 because they think it is a bigger aircraft, which is. However, not many people can disting
72 Cx123 : I am surprised. Most people can distinguish (given the 240 =2/4/2 and the the FA will imform the pax it is a A3X0 during safety Demonstration) Most HK
73 Post contains images The Coachman : Your profile says you are 21-25, so taking your age at its upper most extreme you are 25, you said you have been flying CX for 20 years, so 5 years is
74 Cx123 : 1) The profile as I said is incorrect, I tried to change it but Couldn't/ 2)"On the snacks question, you can go to the galley and get cup noodles and
75 SOHK : 34D has 30J and 257Y, so there's not an increase in the J capacity
76 HB-IWC : The 3 A346 are perfectly suitable to perform the combiation of JFK (CX830/831) and SYD (CX100/101): CX830 HKG JFK 1015 1300 CX831 JFK HKG 1445 2025 CX
77 The Coachman : That's why they're getting rid of the 346 and sending them to JFK with its lucrative high-yield traffic. And that's why the 3rd A333 flight is coming
78 The Coachman : Theoretically it does work HB, but it leaves no room for error if a plane goes u/s. They could switch a 34D or 333 onto the route if in worst case the
79 SOHK : SYD is currently scheduled to have the 346 back for CX101/100 in SEP and from 31OCT04, it's scheduled to have CX139/138 op by 333, CX111/110 by 333 an
80 HB-IWC : Actually, with one overnight ground stop at HKG every 3 days, there's plenty of room for error. I doubt that there's any other longhaul plane in CX's
81 Post contains images VH-BZF : My understanding from my mate who works at Cathay Pacific is that Melbourne will get the B747-400 DAILY for it's morning arrival & departure with the
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