S.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 957 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5673 times:
Could be Sydscott...
But how would Oz and Kiwi authorities react to that, ie. grant the rights? And I don't know how far Brazilian authorities went with Oz and kiwi authorities regarding traffic rights. Brazil has no open skies agreement with neither Australia nor New Zealand, as far as I know.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2564 posts, RR: 20 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5649 times:
"But how would Oz and Kiwi authorities react to that, ie. grant the rights?"
I'm pretty sure they would do it without hesitation. QF used to fly Argentina direct but canned the service. It now codeshares. If EK wanted to do it direct from Sydney then I'm sure the Aust government would find a way to make it happen even if QF did object.
I'm not sure about Brazil. There are no determinations on the IASC website about capacity to there from Australia. I would assume that there is an agreement in place but you are right in saying it's not Open Skies.
However if EK wanted to do it I'm sure the Government would let them.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5650 times:
FoxBravo, I'd consult a great circle mapper before before suggesting Dubai was a good place for Asia connections to South America.
The most direct routes between Singapore, Hong Kong and the economies thereabouts is via an Australian city, since most of these look like taking 20-21 hours without dealing with the 150-200 knot headwinds I once experienced on a Qantas sightseeing flight over the ice. Dubai is a 6.5/7 hour penalty just to get to a place where one further stop is required if the ultimate destination is Santiago or Buenos Aires.
One thing is for sure, trans South Polar routes are not for big twins, so it will have to be an A345 or 747-400 route depending on the flight stage from Australia across or near the ice continent.
Sydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2564 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5497 times:
"If you check the map, this route via South africa is half shorter."
It doesn't matter about stage length. If EK flies the route through Australia/New Zealand it will have the advantage of picking up any and all O&D traffic between those markets as well as those travelling between Dubai and South America. I'm sure the market for doing that is bigger in Aust/NZ than it is in Southern Africa at the moment.
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5363 times:
We were talking about flights from Asia, ie, east of India, to South America not from Dubai. I take the point about Brazil, that's why I referred to Santiago and Buenos Aires.
For fun (or cold shivers) I recommend drawing the great circle routes that would cross Antarctica, including Christchurch to Capetown and then trying to imagine what a crew would do in an emergency anywhere south of 70 degrees latitude with the nearest capable runways in NZ, Australia, South Africa, or, in extremis, Papeete or Easter Island.
Its a very different environment to trans Arctic routes, including very severe met conditions. In the 70s I was a passenger on a number of landings at McMurdo in January (so called summer) and it never got warmer than minus 18 C, we copped between minus 50 and minus 33 at the South Pole and plus 8 (a heat wave) at Lanyon Junction which is inland from the Australian Casey base.
I think there is a serious argument that trans south polar routes need several 24 hour emergency strips in Antartica, which is larger in extent than the continental US or Australia.