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Emirates To Launch Flights To South America  
User currently offlineJeff32 From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

"The UAE has signed an agreement with Brazil and Argentina. Due to this agreement, Emirates is able to launch flights to South America.

Brazil has granted 14 frequencies per week to Emirates. Also intermediate stops between the UAE and Brazil can be made. Argentina has agreed to five frequencies per week."

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6532 times:

Will even get new A345 on their way to GRU or GIG?

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

In the EK website both GIG and EZE were mentioned as possible A340-500 destinations, so this news is not a bit surprising.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Yes, if even way with the new A345 will make good range with both service to GRU or GIG.

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6207 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Sorry I meant GRU not GIG, my bad. But maybe they are considering GIG too.
Chepos



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

If MEA does not launch GRU flights soon, they will lose potential traffic to EK permanently.

Come on MEA -- lease a single 343 and snap to it!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2993 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

A nonstop between DXB and GRU/EZE would open up great connections between South America and Asia. In particular, DXB is an ideal stopping point between GRU and India/Southeast Asia.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32623 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Sorry I meant GRU not GIG, my bad. But maybe they are considering GIG too.



No, you were correct. Emirates had Rio de Janeiro, not Sao Paulo, on thier website as a potential destination.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6405 times:

Are you sure, MAH4546? Is that correct one of service to GIG?

User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

14 frequencies per week???  Wow! oh my god... that's too much... however I don't doubt anything on Emirates...


Varig, Varig, Varig
User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6354 times:

Brasuca,

Note thay 14 per week is the maximum EK will be allowed to offer...it does not mean that they will exercise all the rights at once.

My bet would be daily flights to GRU and three times per week to Rio, to begin with.

Aquele abraço


Renato



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2927 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6343 times:


"Note thay 14 per week is the maximum EK will be allowed to offer...it does not mean that they will exercise all the rights at once."

They could always launch direct SYD or AKL flights to South America using some of those slots.


User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Could be Sydscott...

But how would Oz and Kiwi authorities react to that, ie. grant the rights? And I don't know how far Brazilian authorities went with Oz and kiwi authorities regarding traffic rights. Brazil has no open skies agreement with neither Australia nor New Zealand, as far as I know.

Cheers

Renato



"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineApollo17 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6293 times:

I was in AKL last week and there were 3 EK parked: 2 B777 and 1 A345!!! I wonder... are these flights full?!?

A nonstop AKL/GRU would be great. I guess the A345 could handle that...


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2927 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6279 times:


"But how would Oz and Kiwi authorities react to that, ie. grant the rights?"

I'm pretty sure they would do it without hesitation. QF used to fly Argentina direct but canned the service. It now codeshares. If EK wanted to do it direct from Sydney then I'm sure the Aust government would find a way to make it happen even if QF did object.

I'm not sure about Brazil. There are no determinations on the IASC website about capacity to there from Australia. I would assume that there is an agreement in place but you are right in saying it's not Open Skies.

However if EK wanted to do it I'm sure the Government would let them.


User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

FoxBravo, I'd consult a great circle mapper before before suggesting Dubai was a good place for Asia connections to South America.

The most direct routes between Singapore, Hong Kong and the economies thereabouts is via an Australian city, since most of these look like taking 20-21 hours without dealing with the 150-200 knot headwinds I once experienced on a Qantas sightseeing flight over the ice. Dubai is a 6.5/7 hour penalty just to get to a place where one further stop is required if the ultimate destination is Santiago or Buenos Aires.

One thing is for sure, trans South Polar routes are not for big twins, so it will have to be an A345 or 747-400 route depending on the flight stage from Australia across or near the ice continent.


User currently offlineApollo17 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6243 times:

Antares

The most direct routes between Singapore, Hong Kong and the economies thereabouts is via an Australian city

It depends...
Between most Asian cities and Brazil, the shortest route is via South Africa.


User currently offlineJeff32 From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

I don't think they would fly DXB-GRU via any australian city . If you check the map, this route via South africa is half shorter.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2927 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6127 times:


"If you check the map, this route via South africa is half shorter."

It doesn't matter about stage length. If EK flies the route through Australia/New Zealand it will have the advantage of picking up any and all O&D traffic between those markets as well as those travelling between Dubai and South America. I'm sure the market for doing that is bigger in Aust/NZ than it is in Southern Africa at the moment.


User currently offlineQF744 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

have found out today from someone at EK that they are going to fly to Sao Paulo, not Rio....

cheers

QF744



IT'S ALL ABOUT THE UPPER DECK
User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

We were talking about flights from Asia, ie, east of India, to South America not from Dubai. I take the point about Brazil, that's why I referred to Santiago and Buenos Aires.

For fun (or cold shivers) I recommend drawing the great circle routes that would cross Antarctica, including Christchurch to Capetown and then trying to imagine what a crew would do in an emergency anywhere south of 70 degrees latitude with the nearest capable runways in NZ, Australia, South Africa, or, in extremis, Papeete or Easter Island.

Its a very different environment to trans Arctic routes, including very severe met conditions. In the 70s I was a passenger on a number of landings at McMurdo in January (so called summer) and it never got warmer than minus 18 C, we copped between minus 50 and minus 33 at the South Pole and plus 8 (a heat wave) at Lanyon Junction which is inland from the Australian Casey base.

I think there is a serious argument that trans south polar routes need several 24 hour emergency strips in Antartica, which is larger in extent than the continental US or Australia.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4756 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

It would be best if EK started 4 weekly A 345s DXB-GRU-EZE-GRU-DXB initially and then based upon demand increase the service to DAILY.

The capacity of the A 345 is ideal for such a route.

I advise GRU and not GIG!!! GRU has more high yield traffic than GIG does!!!


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

Yyz717,

There are profitability concerns due to low yields on the route and that's why MEA has put it on hold for the moment.

Cargo flights have proven to be more profitable because Brazil recently stated that they want Lebanon to be the gateway for Brazilian goods to the Middle East and Asia.

So I'd expect Varig Cargo to start flights to Beirut and new maritime routes from the Port of Beirut to Brazil.

Passenger flights would be too low yielding to make any profits at the moment even though there is high demand...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

will be good if they operate it via LOS or ACC or any other african destination


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineArgentina From Argentina, joined Aug 2000, 374 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 5642 times:

Any official information from Emirates or UAE press about beginning of flights to GRU and EZE?

25 EIRules : Would I be crazy to suggest that they would operate the flight through a European city, perhaps DUB. There has been suggestions that EK would begin DU
26 Post contains images Arcano : Hi Will EK also have the rights for selling tkts between EZE and GRU? Are there many arab people in Argentina for this type of flights? Antares: You a
27 Post contains links FoxBravo : FoxBravo, I'd consult a great circle mapper before before suggesting Dubai was a good place for Asia connections to South America. Antares, I think yo
28 Post contains images FoxBravo : From North Asia (as Japan), the best route is completely different, the best option seems to be JFK Arcano, that explains why JAL (unlike VARIG) opera
29 Post contains images Arcano : FB: you are right! I totally forgot the JAL service to GRU. Thanks man! Actually, I have a proposal for LA: if they want to fly to Japan, the best rou
30 Erikwilliam : GREAT GREAT NEWS!!! GRU would be a very good option too, since there´s more arabs descendts in Sao Paulo than Rio, but come on, just to have an Emira
31 Antares : Let me go back to basics here. If you want to fly from Singapore or Hong Kong, the two major Asia ports to Santiago or Bueonos Aires you wouldn't do i
32 MAH4546 : Actually, I have a proposal for LA: if they want to fly to Japan, the best route is not via LAX, but via HNL!: If LAN ever wanted to fly to Japan, the
33 Al : I'm not sure about Brazil. There are no determinations on the IASC website about capacity to there from Australia. I would assume that there is an agr
34 FoxBravo : Antares, you are right that the great circle route between Santiago and Singapore goes much farther south, but that's not really relevant here. The th
35 Antares : Hi FoxBravo, The original thread early suggested Emirates might connect Asia to South America over Dubai, to which I put forward the reasons why that
36 Post contains images C130HERCULES : So they will be conquering South America. Do you think there is a possibilty they will start zooming to the tourist hot spots in the islands close by?
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