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How Are The Loads On Indy Air Doing?  
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3698 times:
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Are they at least 50% full on most flights? I would think that their several times daily to ORD on a CRJ wouldn't be very full when you can fly UA or AA on a larger plane. I don't think anyone has asked this yet.


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User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3034 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Nothing official, but on the employee website, www.myflyi.com, employees can check loads when listing ourselves for non-rev travel. I would say the average load factor is 70%! Many flights are sold out. I personally have flown 3 flights between IAD and ORD. On one we had 50 people, 31 on another, and 41 on the last.

Considering advertising has just begun, and connection possibilities are minimal with the beginning schedule, we are pretty encouraged so far.



FLYi
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

This is very good one of more passengers goes on the Indy Air was doing good.

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3640 times:

We'll know the end of the month. If they don't report the months results, then you'll know it's not good.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 914 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

Considering advertising has just begun, and connection possibilities are minimal with the beginning schedule, we are pretty encouraged so far.

Well you have to remember they are using RJs... I certianly hope they could fill those if they have much larger aircraft on order. For example, a 70% load on a CRJ-200 is about 35 passengers or roughly equal to a 25% load of a WN 737-700. Not to discredit I-Air's current sucess, but just saying it isn't as wonderful as it sounds on paper.

Regards,
DFW


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

You can informed me and you can get with the result of the load factor with Indy Air and you will let me know what happening for next?

User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Dude... What did you just say????

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

what? I just said something about with the load factor was doing after 1 month with result of the passengers doing.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
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BoingGoingGone: He speaks ASL, I usually can figure out what he says, but I can't figure that out. Sad


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User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3034 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 7 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

OK folks, I went into myFLYi.com and got the loads for tomorrow, friday June 25. At first I wasn't sure if posting this was a good idea for competive reasons, but the competition can get this info anyway if they really wanted to. These are the average loads for the entire day. I only checked IAD to the outstations, not outstations to IAD.


City Pair- No. of Flights Offered- Avg. Load Factor
-------- -------------------- ---------------

IAD-ATL- 9- 75%
IAD-BOS- 9- 79%
IAD-CAE- 7- 70%
IAD-EWR- 9- 68%
IAD-HPN- 5- 64%
IAD-ORD- 8- 93% 3 flts sold out!
IAD-ORF- 6- 38%
IAD-RDU- 9- 56%
IAD-PWM- 6- 98% only 7 seats available!

Some of the weakest ones we have only been flying about 2 days.

Also, Independence Air has completed 100% of flights since day one (June16)




FLYi
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3567 times:
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Whats break even?

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User currently offlineFrjmx328 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

ORD and BOS have the highest load factors. Go figure huh? Give it time fellas, the 319 is on its way. Its awsome to see the I Jet flying. Has the sharpest paint on any airport hands down.

User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3034 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3553 times:

Iowaman - I have no idea. The company has extra expenses right now with marketing and Airbus acquisition.

DFW - you have a valid point, but remember the CRJs are also running a much higher frequencey than the Airbusses will.



FLYi
User currently offlineFrjmx328 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Whats break even?

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Word is 30 seats sold


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Pitrules,

Thanks for all of these information about load factor was doing pretty good and please keep it up need make more people are flying out of IAD.


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

BoingGoingGone: He speaks ASL, I usually can figure out what he says, but I can't figure that out.

Gotcha...Thanks.


User currently offlineOsubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Whats their CASM you should be able to probably figure out if they are making money based on their CASM. If their Casm is like 15 multiply that by the number of miles then times that by 50 and you get their break even costs. If you want to know if their making money average out the lower than low the 14 day and 7 day prices multiply by the number of passengers and you get a rough estimate.

User currently offlineFrjmx328 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Whats their CASM you should be able to probably figure out if they are making money based on their CASM. If their Casm is like 15 multiply that by the number of miles then times that by 50 and you get their break even costs. If you want to know if their making money average out the lower than low the 14 day and 7 day prices multiply by the number of passengers and you get a rough estimate.

Relax man. CASM for the RJ will not be accurate until all 87 jets are in Independence colors. That will be right around 9/1/04. The Bus comes into the picture in Nov, with proving runs scheduled to begin in september. Independence Air won't be making anything at all in its first year. Infact, the CFO here has predicted a net loss in the order of 40 million due to well, everything associated with starting a new airline. 2005 should be another story. The Bus fleet will be operational by then with 2 scheduled to arrive each month through 06'. For each bus present, CASM goes down. .08 cents is the target, and if the current loads keep up, look out. Guess we will have to wait and see. Far cry thus far from what the average airliners.net poster has predicted for us. Lets hope it stays this way.....


User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Awesome numbers - I'm particularly impressed by the PWM numbers. Even though it's only one day, and only one way, 98% to a smaller city like Portland is very, very impressive.

I can't say that any of the numbers are very surprising - you had to figure ORD and BOS would do well, due to the sheer amount of O&D traffic that each city produces. Same thing goes for the generally positive numbers between IAD-ATL and IAD-EWR.

As far as ORF goes, the 38% number there shouldn't really come as a shock to anyone. With only 150 miles separating DC and Norfolk, this isn't going to draw huge O&D, regardless of the fares that FlyI offers. IMO, they should have started Norfolk later in the summer, when their route network would have grown to accomodate connecting passengers. If this route does manage to thrive, it'll be from connections and not point-to-point traffic.

Overall though, a great start for Independence. Keep it up!


Regards,

N-Dub



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