Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5531 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
Well, what would you rather fly to LAS...CRJ-700 or MD-80. I also wonder if schedule had anything to do with it.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5531 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1031 times:
Allegiant Air must be doing something right to chase off HP from DSM-LAS route and FL from MLI-LAS route.
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1019 times:
This is not good news for HP is discontinue from LAS-DSM and when will bring them back with service to DSM again and I know already service from PHX-DSM, right?
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 996 times:
Allegiant has ICT to LAS non-stop service. HP used to have daily non-stop service years ago, but dropped prior to Allegiant.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4099 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 982 times:
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Amazing huh. You think Allegiant will be there in six months? Think not. Suck a market dry and run. HP will no doubt be back.
I don't think they will leave, loads are about 3/4 full out of there usually. And where else are they going to go to, Farmville, Nebrasha?
This is not good news for HP is discontinue from LAS-DSM and when will bring them back with service to DSM again and I know already service from PHX-DSM, right?
Mesa has twice daily from PHX. I think they should start once daily to CID.
Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 893 times:
Given the higher CASM of an RJ and the low RASM of LAS routes I would bet yield was more of an issue than load factor.
The timing couldn't have helped much except for connecting passengers. Seat Pitch isn't much of an issue because YV CRJs have 31" of seat pitch. The problem is it doesn't feel like 31".
Iowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 928 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 862 times:
"Mesa- CRJ, arrives at 3:30 a.m. and departs at 5:00 a.m."
Iowaman, when did this flight ever leave DSM at 5 AM? The one time that I saw it on the boards at DSM was earlier this month and the flight left at 9:35 PM (two hours late the night that I flew in). I have been trying to find it listed somewhere online, but no one has it anymore. The arrival time is correct, but the aircraft stays until morning when it leaves for Phoenix. The return flight to Las Vegas is done in the evening on a flight that arrives in DSM from Phoenix. This is the general trend that HP does with many of its flights from LAS (arrive in LAS really late and leave "really" early).
Also, as a side note, this is the third time that HP has cut the DSM-LAS service. They operated it a long time ago (like 13-14 years ago) with a 737, then tried it when Mesa operated the F70s, and again recently with the CRJ.
Dbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 792 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 839 times:
People say HP's PHX-DSM route is pretty successful, any chance of HP or America West Express expanding this route to larger jets or more frequency? I know they've tried a couple of times using 737s on this route.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 834 times:
my guess isn't loads, but just the better utilization of the crj equp elsewhere. with the allegiant competition, maybe they wants routes they can play with solo with no competion
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 830 times:
flyboy,
where else can they throw the crj in and not have to worry about competition???unless you start dro-las and gjt-las that used to be AIR21(anyone remember that airline???) routes the west is basically covered with regional jets......G4 has started to cover the midwest,rocky mtn west area and has done a good job with out pissing off the denver crowd, loads out of cos are full.......
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 833 times:
well a couple come to mind, billings is offered, eugene, meford, santa barbara, san luis obispo, all with crj and no competion. edmonton is on line now, maybe more smaller communities west of the rockies could use the crj service.
Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 3 Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 808 times:
People say HP's PHX-DSM route is pretty successful, any chance of HP or America West Express expanding this route to larger jets or more frequency? I know they've tried a couple of times using 737s on this route.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a bump in capacity either with a CR9 or adding a third flight. Right now gate space is becoming an issue at PHX while the new S2 concourse is being built.
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