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AA Switching From CDG To Orly  
User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1427 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Here is this news articles and it states that AA would like to move to Orly since the whole problem with the collapse in CDG and the delays this has brought, here is the link

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-06-25-aa-paris_x.htm#

Sorry If someone had already posted this article, I couldn't find any related threads


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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Another article begs to differ:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1505&ncid=1505&e=7&u=/afp/20040625/ts_alt_afp/france_us_air_transport_040625163231



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

I'm surprised by the second article. If ADP proposed the move to Orly, I would think AA would jump at the chance. If memory serves me right, they were the last U.S. airline holdout at ORY before ADP made them move to CDG. ORY is much more convenient to downtown Paris, and--unlike the Skyteam airlines--AA doesn't seem to have any compelling reason to stay at CDG, since it does not carry a meaningful amount of connecting traffic there.


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5167 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7067 times:

Some time ago, Robert Crandall, former CEO of AA, complained how the U.S. is accomodating of foreign carriers. Case in point, after a new bilateral agreement was concluded, foreign carriers would get slots for ORD. But if AA wanted to add new routes, it either had to drop an existing arrival and departure or buy a pair of slots.

On the other hand, foreign governments weren't as accomodating. AA was very happy at ORY. But the French government forced AA to move to CDG and assigned terminal space that AA considered to be inferior to other trans-Atlantic carriers.

So, it wouldn't surprise me if AA starts lobbying for a move back to ORY.


User currently offlineAA777223ER From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

The following is the response to this rumor from the Flight Service department at AA:

This rumor has surfaced as a result of the collapse of part of CDG's Terminal 2E last month, leading to its closure and the dissemination of flights to the remaining operational terminals. If you've flown into CDG, you probably already know that this is causing considerable congestion and the airport's operator, ADP, has been consulting with airlines to discuss ways to alleviate this. ADP has proposed that American move its operation to ORY where we were based until 1996.
We have no plans to make this transfer, which would clearly be a major undertaking with significant implications for our staff at the airport and to our business in France. So, we are preparing a comprehensive economic analysis for ADP that will explain why we do not consider a move to be financially viable, or a solution to the immediate problems of congestion at the airport.
In the meantime, we continue to work with ADP to explore alternative solutions that will reduce congestion and we've already taken a number of steps -- such as releasing some of our check-in desks to QANTAS and exploring changes to flight timings -- that could reduce terminal congestion.
Although we cannot categorically rule out that we'll have to move our operation from CDG to ORY, our position is that such a move would be impractical, very expensive for the company and would take many months of planning before it could be implemented. Most importantly, moving us would not contribute to resolving the immediate problems that ADP face.
For the foreseeable future, American's Paris operations will remain at CDG where our staff are pulling together to provide our passengers with excellent customer service despite the difficulties that currently face all carriers at the airport.


Regards,

AA777223ER



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6857 times:


Just wondering here who out of the American carriers operate into the "donut" or the old CDG terminals. I remember flying into CDG about 4 yrs ago with KL and remember seeing US Airways and United there and I was wondering who uses what facilities. Since DL is a member of Skyteam along with AF, do they use AF facilities?
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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1343 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

I would agree!!! AA terminal space at CDG SUCKS!!! That is when you even get a gate!! If you are not on an AF or SkyTeam flight forget it!

MOVE TO ORLY AA!



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6655 times:

Yeah, this is not good for AA will move into ORY soon.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Since DL is a member of Skyteam along with AF, do they use AF facilities?


Yes they do.

N


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6510 times:

Of the US carriers that fly to CDG, Northwest, United, US Airways all fly out of Terminal 1.

American, Continental, and Delta fly from Terminal 2.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineEALSYS1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 229 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6479 times:

I just connected through CDG last week. I felew AA 62/63 to/from MIA. I flew from there to Florence and from Venice. It was my first experience with CDG and I can tell you that that airport is a hole!! Buses everywhere, poorly designed facilities, I saw a British woman and her one year old almost trampled!! I'm torn on this one since I used CDG to connect, I used 100K miles to upg my wife and me to first, yet I hate the airport. Any business you remove from CDG hopefully will send ADP a message that CDG really sucks!!!

Sam


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6425 times:

American Airlines said it is refusing to move its Paris operations out of Charles de Gaulle airport due to the collapsed roof at one of the terminals. The airliners said Aeroports de Paris, the airport management group, had proposed that it move operations to Orly airport on the other side of Paris.


User currently offlineFlyTPA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6221 times:

Does anyone know why ADP forced American to move to CDG from ORY in 1996 in the first place? Apparently all US carriers were moved. Did ADP pay for the transfer?


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User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Which airport is more convenient to the central business district in Paris? I remember USAir advertising the move from ORY to CDG around 1995. They were commenting that they were pleased to begin offering service to CDG since it's more convenient than ORY.


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

As I recall correctly, AA didn't move from ORY to CDG until late 1999 or early 2000 (the photos in this database show the approximate time frame) as all of the AA photos pre-2000 are at ORY and the post-2000 photos are at CDG. Plus, I remember being at CDG in March of 1999 and noticing that AA was very noticably not at that airport.

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6094 times:

What advantages did Orly have that AA liked back in 1996?

User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6004 times:

I think what would be ideal would be if AA moved to ORY, and if Aeroports de Paris paid for the expenses. That would be fair enough, since ADP were the ones who forced them into CDG in the first place. Kind of funny how ADP made them move to CDG, and now want them to move back...

-WGW2707


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5857 times:

Honestly, I found CDG to be much more convenient than Orly when I visited Paris last month. I don't blame American for wanting to stay.

While CDG is further out of the city than ORY, express trains are available that only make one stop (at Gare du Nord) before continuing into the city at Chatelet-Les Halles. From Orly to the center of Paris, one must take the Orlyval monorail to the RER line, which then stops six or seven times before arriving at Les Halles. The trip ended up taking about fifteen minutes longer.

As for facilities, I didn't find CDG-2A to be that bad. Both of my AA flights out of CDG arrived at a contact gate with a jetbridge. Granted, I saw many flights parked on remote stands using buses to deplane, but all of the US carriers were using airbridges. This seems to be the norm at most overseas airports - US airlines somehow always wind up at jetbridges. Maybe because Americans are more prone to slipping on steps, falling over and suing everything that isn't tied down.


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

I must say both CDG and ORY are shitty airports, but I personally prefer ORY (due to the proximity to the city).
I really think BA should move to ORY (especially when most of the business pax will actually goto the city).
Currently I think only IB is the only Oneworld airline operating at ORY.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Americans are more prone to slipping on steps, falling over

Now now, no need to make fun of Gerald Ford like that...


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32599 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Despite American's "refusal", I definitley see think this has a strong chance of happening.

American was the last US airline to switch from Orly to CDG. I believe they switched back 1 May 1999. They did not want to switch, becuase they made a nice profit as the only major carrier between the US and Orly. Orly is closer to downtown Paris and far less congested. I think American's resentment stems more from the costs associated with such a move, rather than them thinking they can't make a profitable operation at Orly. If the ADP offered to pay for those expenses (which is very reasonable, IMO), I think it stands a good chance.

It is ironic though, because AA held out at ORY for as long as they could, they loved it there, until ADP finally forced them to move to CDG.




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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5704 times:

As far as I recall, it wasn't just AA being forced out - a while back, France wanted to restrict Orly to, if I'm not mistaken, domestic, intra-European and intra-"Colony" flights, and I remember a few other airlines also having to move from ORY to CDG (though I really cannot remember which ones).

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4983 times:
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Delta also used to fly into ORY. But I wouldn't be surprised if they stay in CDG for ever because they are part of the SkyTeam alliance, American isn't. Yes it is kind of strange to see American moving back to ORY, but if AA does and Delta doesn't I would't be surprised. If that happens then American will no longer have agreements with Thalys, a European railways company operaing high speed trains. Only Air France will continue to work with Thalys.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

I remember when AA used to bring their DC-10-30s and MD-11s to Orly. Didn't they also fly their A300s there at one time too? And when did they switch from Orly to CDG? Back to the past everybody Big grin


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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Yes, Thrust. AA used to operate A300s from Boston and, I believe, JFK before switching them to 767s, but I believe that was done after the flights moved to CDG.

I find this funny since AA went to CDG practically kicking and screaming because business travellers preferred ORY due to it's closer proximity to city centre Paris. I supose now business travellers have become accustomed to having to use CDG and may prefer it now. And I can see AA's arguments that a move would be costly and would take a long time to plan and execute, but maybe it would be good for them. They could exclusively serve the US from ORY, cashing in on those where ORY is a better option and also business travellers who prefer ORY. I'm sure they still exist.

LH423

[Edited 2004-06-26 18:13:06]


« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
25 GLA MD11 : Do not forget that ORY has reached its capacity and that it will be difficult to increase trafic there on a permanent basis (because of neighboring ci
26 MAH4546 : Do not forget that ORY has reached its capacity and that it will be difficult to increase trafic there on a permanent basis (because of neighboring ci
27 ScottysAir : Is that AA use into ORY some of long time ago, didn't they?
28 TexAussie : If ADP needs AA to move, ADP should pay the costs... it was their building/engineering that caused the whole mess anyway.
29 Ssides : Is that AA use into ORY some of long time ago, didn't they? It wasn't a long time ago. AA was the last US airline to use ORY, and they switched to CDG
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