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AA Mainline To Leave CLE  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4360 times:

American Airlines will end mainline service to Cleveland at the end of the summer, 8 September. They current operate two daily flights to Chicago O'Hare and Miami. The new schedule has not been confirmed, but the word is the Chicago flight will be replaced by one Eagle flight and the Miami flight with two Eagle flights.

PR:
http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_06/24_cleveland.jhtml


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User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 815 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4335 times:
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I hope mainline doesn't leave SDF as well. I am sorry to hear about CLE. We currently have all Eagle flights to ORD and half of our 4 daily flights to DFW operated by mainline and the other half by Eagle.

I thought things were getting better.

John


User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4313 times:

On a seperate note.. does anyone know which gate AE will use at PVD? I"m flying RDU-PVD N/S July 2 and wondering which gate? I know PVD has a "universal" RJ gate (20 I think).


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4307 times:

Well, seeing as we've already got the following service:
ORD - Atlantic Coast, American Eagle, ExpressJet, United
MDW - ExpressJet, Southwest

Eagle already served the route before we started getting mainline AA, which was only reinstated when we lost STL.

It's no surprise that Eagle will pick up MIA, either. American's only been flying one mainline to/from CLE for as long as I've been spotting.

No biggie here. The big deal is WN going head to head with HP serving/connecting in PHX, starting Sept. 8.

[Edited 2004-06-25 23:57:08]


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User currently offlineOptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4297 times:

That's really unfortunate. I've been taking the AA CLE-MIA flight once a year for the past 15. I remember the good old days when that was on a 727, my favorite. I'll miss their mad dogs here in Cleveland. Has anyone got an idea what type will assume the CLE-MIA route? Continental runs an ERJ-145XR down there to supplement the 737 service, but Eagle doesn't have an XR's. Maybe CRJ-700's?

-Andrew


User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4287 times:

Options -- welcome to the boards!

I'd guess they'd use a CR7 just like what they're doing to DFW.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4289 times:

Has anyone got an idea what type will assume the CLE-MIA route?

Most likely three daily ERJ-140s/ERJ-145s, though possibly only two daily.



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User currently offlineGoose29 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

that is really bad for those guys. i have talked to some of them on the bus ride in. they are good people.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

I thought things were getting better.

They are, much better, thanks to nessecary moves such as this one.



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User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4178 times:

I expect to see more of this type of cutback in service, and not just limited to AA. It's plainly obvious that for most domestic routes, the legacy carriers just can't compete anymore, as everyone is looking for the cheapest possible ticket.



User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4136 times:

This is not good for service to CLE and will make reduce with some of those flight to ORD, MIA & DFW.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

ERJ170: American Eagle will use gate 12 at PVD. AA leases 2 gates in PVD 12 & 14. Gate 14 is the only one with a jetbridge, so gate 12 is a "ground level" boarding gate only. You'll use the stairs to get inside the concourse. The PVD-RDU loads are very good already - a 4th flight comes online 9/8/04. From what I've been told, gate 20 is going to be the new gate for Independance Air.

User currently offlineErj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Yeah, actually, from what I can tell, the RDU-PVD flights are looking pretty darn excellent. Perhaps an upgrade will be in order soon. I've checked some random flights between July and September and there are only a few seats available on most flights. You would think someone else would have noticed this lack of service before. Thanks for the info! Later days!


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User currently offlineARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3736 times:

Why don't the Big six just sell all their medium-short range jets and outsource
the routes to their regional carriers. This is SAD, what has American commerical avaiton come too? Cramped little airplanes flying long distances to take customers to the Mainline's 767-300s to go overseas. I want my 727s back!


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3622 times:


Let's look beyond whether or not CLE as an airport itself is profitable...

You have AA employees (94 as mentioned), CLE is fairly senior in terms of AA wages; working 17 flights per weekday and only two flights are mainline- the remaining 15 are Eagle (88%).

Why would AA continue to pay the station AA wages, when they can simply close the station (as they are doing) and convert the entire operation to Eagle and therefore spending way less on labor- increasing profitability of the station?

Now, these 94 will either: take a package (if eligible), transfer elsewhere in the AA system, or apply to Eagle.

Now here's the catch: at a later time, AA can simply add back one or two mainline flights and continue to have Eagle agents work mainline (i.e. RSW, etc.).

It's unfortunate, however, it was bound to happen.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8269 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

They won't cut the LGA flights down as well, will they? I think we have 3 a day right now.


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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

AIR757200,
well put, look at the smaller cities that ual still serves and it usually just 1 or 2 ua mainline and alot of uax, if ua is looking to cut costs that is one thing i would expect to see......just out of curiosity,,,what does a topped out AA ground worker make??is it the same in cle as well as dfw or ord???



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32782 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

They won't cut the LGA flights down as well, will they? I think we have 3 a day right now.

No, they are actually adding a fourth-daily CLE-LGA service on 1 October.



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User currently offlineDan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3288 times:

Damn, every year, my family and I go to LAS to visit some family we have out there. The past 2 years we flew AA MD-82's. I loved the way those things climb, I dont care about IFE, or a meal. We even sat in the back, one row in front of the engines. Pretty cool to watch on takeoff and landing. I didnt IFE, all I needed was the window, my CD player, and a laptop which I hardly used. It was a plesant flight, and its sad to see AA mainline leave. Just the other day, there was a AA 738 in here, still cant figure out why. But a plesant supprise. Its too bad, but I guess its necessary. But what makes the day even worse is the fact that AA is retiring their F-100's that day too. I have never flown the type, so Sept.8 is going to be lightly depressing to me.


-Dan

[Edited 2004-06-26 23:31:25]


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3257 times:
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AIR757200

Has hit the nail on the head, switch to an all eagle operation and then gradually add back mainline, all the benefits without all the pay.....



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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

what does a topped out AA ground worker make??

Customer service(L42): near $21/hr. (snap to max after 11 years of service).


Edit: I'm fairly sure it's that amount, but not 100% positive.

[Edited 2004-06-27 02:23:06]

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3113 times:

In the 2000 census, Cleveland had 478,000 people. Huntsville only has 130,000 people, and yet we have mainline AA service. Geez...

User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3099 times:

To MD 90: HSV does not have a major legacy airline hub, CLE does (CO).

To all of you that think the way to success is to fire mainline employees and replace them with subsidiary carrier or contract people at $8.00 - $10.00 per hour, perhaps we should replace you or your parents with these type of workers. Let's flood the US with immigrants, both legal and illegal, and then maybe we can drive the price of labor down even lower. Never mind that we will end up with an economy like Venezuela, or Honduras.


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

You also have to remember that AA is retiring the F100s as of September 8. Some of the Fokker routes will see MD-80s as partial or full replacement of Fokker service. So, AA has to pull the MD-80s from other routes.

What bothers me is, according to the 2003 AMR annual report, that there are 28 MD-80s sitting in the desert. Some or all of these could be returned to service, so that the ERJs and CRJs don't have to fly so many routes better suited for mainline aircraft.


User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2944 times:

Milesrich,

I don't like it either, being a former AA'er myself. But in terms of CLE, it's understandable that AA would want to convert the operation to AE b/c of the vast majority are AE flights.

I can tell you that nearby AA stations are a bit nervous as they await whether or not they may get bumped by any CLE transfers.

In any case, the legacy employees are very senior and they won't take the package that is out on the table now. My former station, the average senority was at least 13-15 years (therefore the majority of agents/ramp were at max pay) and there was a zero turnover rate.


25 MD-90 : To MD 90: HSV does not have a major legacy airline hub, CLE does (CO). I considerd that. I was just wondering how such a city couldn't still profitabl
26 FlyCMH : In the 2000 census, Cleveland had 478,000 people. Huntsville only has 130,000 people, and yet we have mainline AA service. Geez... Comparing the popul
27 Thrust : I knew it would happen....it was only a matter of time. AA really doesn't have much use for CLE anyway...
28 Spoon04 : Sad to see AA departing CLE as they've been a strong and solid presence here for decades. If AA feels strongly in downgrading CLE to an all-Eagle sta
29 Zrb2 : Spoon: BUF, ROC (and I think SYR) have had Eagle only service for a while now....maybe even two years. We haven't seen a shiny Mad Dog in Buffalo for
30 FlyCMH : CMH (and DAY) are most definitely next in line for getting mainline knocked off. AA is down to only 4 flights a day to DFW from Columbus, while Dayton
31 Spoon04 : Zrb2, thanks for the heads-up re Eagle service in NY State. Obviously, I wasn't aware of the downgrading which has taken place. I'm still in a bit of
32 Zrb2 : I hear ya Spoon. I used to go to the BUF airport w/ my dad as a kid in the 70's and take pictures of the AA DC-10 that was in regular service. I knew
33 MAH4546 : Here is the new Miami-Cleveland schedule: AA 4286 MIA 1115-1410 CLE ER4 Daily AA 4498 MIA 1750-2045 CLE ER4 Daily AA 4499 CLE 0755-1045 MIA ER4 Daily
34 Smcmac32msn : MD 90 - HSV (I assume thats the Huntsville your talking about) is a great airport and I enjoyed going through there in April. Its very sad to see main
35 N766UA : CRJ's suck for any normal sized person to try to watch outside. Not Eagle's 700s. The windows on the CR7s are much higher up for better visibility. Th
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