MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34365 posts, RR: 70 Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4874 times:
American Airlines will end mainline service to Cleveland at the end of the summer, 8 September. They current operate two daily flights to Chicago O'Hare and Miami. The new schedule has not been confirmed, but the word is the Chicago flight will be replaced by one Eagle flight and the Miami flight with two Eagle flights.
Upsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 823 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4849 times:
I hope mainline doesn't leave SDF as well. I am sorry to hear about CLE. We currently have all Eagle flights to ORD and half of our 4 daily flights to DFW operated by mainline and the other half by Eagle.
OptionsCLE From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4811 times:
That's really unfortunate. I've been taking the AA CLE-MIA flight once a year for the past 15. I remember the good old days when that was on a 727, my favorite. I'll miss their mad dogs here in Cleveland. Has anyone got an idea what type will assume the CLE-MIA route? Continental runs an ERJ-145XR down there to supplement the 737 service, but Eagle doesn't have an XR's. Maybe CRJ-700's?
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4692 times:
I expect to see more of this type of cutback in service, and not just limited to AA. It's plainly obvious that for most domestic routes, the legacy carriers just can't compete anymore, as everyone is looking for the cheapest possible ticket.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3466 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4420 times:
ERJ170: American Eagle will use gate 12 at PVD. AA leases 2 gates in PVD 12 & 14. Gate 14 is the only one with a jetbridge, so gate 12 is a "ground level" boarding gate only. You'll use the stairs to get inside the concourse. The PVD-RDU loads are very good already - a 4th flight comes online 9/8/04. From what I've been told, gate 20 is going to be the new gate for Independance Air.
Erj170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6865 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4408 times:
Yeah, actually, from what I can tell, the RDU-PVD flights are looking pretty darn excellent. Perhaps an upgrade will be in order soon. I've checked some random flights between July and September and there are only a few seats available on most flights. You would think someone else would have noticed this lack of service before. Thanks for the info! Later days!
ARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4250 times:
Why don't the Big six just sell all their medium-short range jets and outsource
the routes to their regional carriers. This is SAD, what has American commerical avaiton come too? Cramped little airplanes flying long distances to take customers to the Mainline's 767-300s to go overseas. I want my 727s back!
AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4136 times:
Let's look beyond whether or not CLE as an airport itself is profitable...
You have AA employees (94 as mentioned), CLE is fairly senior in terms of AA wages; working 17 flights per weekday and only two flights are mainline- the remaining 15 are Eagle (88%).
Why would AA continue to pay the station AA wages, when they can simply close the station (as they are doing) and convert the entire operation to Eagle and therefore spending way less on labor- increasing profitability of the station?
Now, these 94 will either: take a package (if eligible), transfer elsewhere in the AA system, or apply to Eagle.
Now here's the catch: at a later time, AA can simply add back one or two mainline flights and continue to have Eagle agents work mainline (i.e. RSW, etc.).
It's unfortunate, however, it was bound to happen.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4115 times:
well put, look at the smaller cities that ual still serves and it usually just 1 or 2 ua mainline and alot of uax, if ua is looking to cut costs that is one thing i would expect to see......just out of curiosity,,,what does a topped out AA ground worker make??is it the same in cle as well as dfw or ord???
Dan2002 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 2055 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3802 times:
Damn, every year, my family and I go to LAS to visit some family we have out there. The past 2 years we flew AA MD-82's. I loved the way those things climb, I dont care about IFE, or a meal. We even sat in the back, one row in front of the engines. Pretty cool to watch on takeoff and landing. I didnt IFE, all I needed was the window, my CD player, and a laptop which I hardly used. It was a plesant flight, and its sad to see AA mainline leave. Just the other day, there was a AA 738 in here, still cant figure out why. But a plesant supprise. Its too bad, but I guess its necessary. But what makes the day even worse is the fact that AA is retiring their F-100's that day too. I have never flown the type, so Sept.8 is going to be lightly depressing to me.
[Edited 2004-06-26 23:31:25]
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Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3613 times:
To MD 90: HSV does not have a major legacy airline hub, CLE does (CO).
To all of you that think the way to success is to fire mainline employees and replace them with subsidiary carrier or contract people at $8.00 - $10.00 per hour, perhaps we should replace you or your parents with these type of workers. Let's flood the US with immigrants, both legal and illegal, and then maybe we can drive the price of labor down even lower. Never mind that we will end up with an economy like Venezuela, or Honduras.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3511 times:
You also have to remember that AA is retiring the F100s as of September 8. Some of the Fokker routes will see MD-80s as partial or full replacement of Fokker service. So, AA has to pull the MD-80s from other routes.
What bothers me is, according to the 2003 AMR annual report, that there are 28 MD-80s sitting in the desert. Some or all of these could be returned to service, so that the ERJs and CRJs don't have to fly so many routes better suited for mainline aircraft.
AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
I don't like it either, being a former AA'er myself. But in terms of CLE, it's understandable that AA would want to convert the operation to AE b/c of the vast majority are AE flights.
I can tell you that nearby AA stations are a bit nervous as they await whether or not they may get bumped by any CLE transfers.
In any case, the legacy employees are very senior and they won't take the package that is out on the table now. My former station, the average senority was at least 13-15 years (therefore the majority of agents/ramp were at max pay) and there was a zero turnover rate.
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