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Crop Sprayer Vs City Folk - Advice Please  
User currently offlineAirtractor From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

O.K. Here is the situation,

I fly seasonally as an Ag-pilot and our aircraft are based on a small farm located just North of Calgary, Alberta. We operate off a 2500' grass runway that runs parallel to the county road.

In the past 10 years their have been countless "city slickers" move out to this area living on very small acreages and have now completely circled our field.

There is this year yet another petition going around the neibourhood to get the county to boot us out of the area and move our operations to a small airport an hours drive to the North, even though we have been their for 32 years.

These damn city folks have no idea what agriculture is all about, and once out in the country they tend to think they own the place. ( They have even attempted to block farmers from using their combines due to noise and dust.)

My question is this, should we as Ag-pilots raise our hands in defiance and continue to operate as is and fight the impending legal battle or should we simply move and walk away from our "Home" simply to please these narrow minded assholes?


In memory of Agnes & Aaron, you're always with me when I fly.
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User currently offlineMNeo From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2004, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

IM no lawyer but i thin kthat the law is on your side. the question if u would want to fight the city people. the best advice anyone here can give you will not matter because if u stick long enugh to the case u will win. but that measn to be hated by everyone and if u have kids then they might be looked upon. i would say just to move but ask that the people that are suing you pay for the new airport and then makesure that no one can settle that land without knowing the risks. both of those can be done easly though a lawyer.

but befor you start anything u should ask a lawyer waht your chances of succeding are



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

It's the same situation as with people who move next to a big airport, only to start complaining about the noise...

I fully understand your frustration with the situation - but I can only second MNeo in saying that it would be best for you to consult a lawyer to see how your chances are...

Good luck in any case!!!!!

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineAA777DFW From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

I don't see any reason why you should move out.

User currently offlineMainland From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

I'm curious... What do these homeowners base their petition on, simply the noise and dust as with the farmers or something more?


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

You might also try the AOPA.... You should stay and fight...

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

While I admit it would be a very difficult and possibly expensive fight, I think you should fight.

Every one of those people who moved in knew that your airport and your business was there. It's not like your property was zoned commercial but nothing had yet been built. Any idiot can clearly see an airport from the road (I assume your airport can be seen from the road).

I think that "Let the Buyer Beware" should definetely apply in your case. It's about time someone stuck it to some of these people who move into an area with an industrial facility, then complain about the facility that existed long before their home was ever even thought of.

They knew there was an aiport, but they bought the homes anyway. To Hell with 'em. They knew what they were getting, and now they should be stuck with it. They should not be allowed to force you to change just because they don't like your business.



But like I said, it could be a difficult, expensive fight. It's up to you.



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User currently offlineAirtractor From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2002 times:

Mainland,

Their main "issues" are as follows:
#1 They don't like the noise, I am told that our aircraft have caused some of their 1.4 horses, 2.3 cows and 5 chickens "stress". So much stress infact some of their animals have aborted their young before birth, lost weight and a whole bunch of other crap.
#2 Someone among them has convinced them all that the type of flying we do is unsafe and the chances of a serious aircraft accident on their property is not only possible but immanent.
#3 Chemical contamination from our overhead aircraft has caused serious health risks associated with their drinking water.

Those are just a few concerns they have, totally unfounded as far as I'm concerned.



In memory of Agnes & Aaron, you're always with me when I fly.
User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1976 times:

Airtractor, are you serious? THOSE are their reasons?

Answer to #1: how come, the animals on farms that have been "confronted" with agricultural flying for years don't have the same problems?
Answer to #2: how many planes doing this type of work crash each year? (I don't know how many, but I'd venture the guess that the number isn't really all that high...)
Answer to #3: well, then get better filters for your water supply - the planes were there when you moved here, and the people that have lived here for years seem to be alive and well... so the risk cannot really be all that high, can it?

Ok, I know that (as you point out) they have other "reason", but if they're all on that level...

Again: good luck!!!

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineAirtractor From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Leskova & Elwood,

Thank you guys for your input here aswell as thanks to everyone else who responded. We are not sure yet what our course of action is going to be but one thing is guaranteed.

If we decide to leave in the next couple of years and relocate to a more "suitable" location, it will be on OUR terms and not those of the ridiculous morons that believe their bred and milk come from the grocery store and not from local farms.

Oh and one more thing, If anyone of my neighbours are in here although I doubt it, I challenge you to think of any profession on this entire planet that gives more back to the world then it takes from it. Think long and hard about that you bastards and you will most likely come up only with farmers.


Thanks again fellas !



In memory of Agnes & Aaron, you're always with me when I fly.
User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Try contacting someone within your government. See if the province of Alberta would be willing to buy the airport to keep it alive. SInce it involves farming, they may be willing to support it. Down here in MI, the state bought a local airport near my house, just to keep it from being closed by NIMBY's. The airport was put in in the 1930's, LONG before any houses were in the area. In the last 15 or so years, houses went up all over, and now the airport is completely surrounded and locked in by houses, but the state owns it, so it will not be shut down, at least for a long time. We get noise complaints all the time, but there really is nothing they can do. We even have published noise abaitment procedures.

Good Luck!!!  Smile



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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
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what exactly is a nimby? I can never rememeber.


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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

nimby= not in my back yard



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4963 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

NIMBY=Local Yokel

This is not the official translation, but easier to remember!

Here is the official translation:

NIMBY = Not In My BackYard

But in this case they forget their backyards came later!



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4963 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

And we can even get more carried away with this!

NIMBY acronym. A person who hopes or seeks to keep some dangerous or unpleasant feature out of his or her neighborhood. —NIMBYism noun. The attitude of such a person.  Pissed

NUMBY acronym. Not under my back yard; a person who hopes or seeks to keep some dangerous or unpleasant underground feature out of his or her neighborhood; the attitude of such a person. —adj  Crying

GOOMBY noun. A person who hopes for or seeks the removal of some dangerous or unpleasant feature from his or her neighborhood. —GOOMBYism noun. The attitude of such a person.  Crying

LULU noun. A real estate development or other construction project to which the local residents are opposed. Acronym based on the phrase "locally unwanted land use."  Nuts

And this conculdes our lesson in Public Aviation Land Use Hazards for today.








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