RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8785 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5547 times:
That is good to hear. Although I currently put their Business Class above UA's and AA's sections already, I think this will be a good improvement. It is unfortunate that First class will go away, but it is probably the worst First Class seat on the transpacific market now, so not much will probably be lost. I am eager to see this 30,000$ seat.
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USAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5527 times:
The only thing I feel Y class needs on NZ are PTV's...the seats already have tremendous pitch at something like 34" (felt like more), footrests and winged headrests...but PTV's would just make it perfect...
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ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 6971 posts, RR: 10 Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5448 times:
USAHummer-I'm not sure when, but they will be installing PTV's in Y class very shortly. I'm think it starts next month, or something like that, but I'm unclear.
*this will only be on 744 aircraft. 763's will not be affected.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11350 posts, RR: 17 Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5389 times:
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PTV's will be installed when each 744 is taken out of service to be re-fitted. First class is being taken out of the B744's. The first B744 to have the new Business class Flat-Bed seats and new Economy seats with PTV's will enter service in May 2005.
Qantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5183 times:
It looks like a good product and finally ANZ will be able to compete with QF after years of being criticised for old and outdated infrastructure on their long-haul product. The Business class seats look very similar to VS and it is clear that the industry is moving into twin flat seat vs single seat camps.
What is with the painfully slow roll-out schedule? Considering these are enhancements other airlines including Qantas already have or are well underway in terms of installation, ANZ aren't even going to start till mid 2005 with completion due by the end of 2006. That's 2 whole bloody years away?! Who knows what developments their competitors will have by then. For an airline with such a small, 'boutique' numbers of aircraft, that is a very slow refurbishment plan. Perhaps they are still cash-strapped and trying to save money.
Eoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5180 times:
You can't even compare that business class to emirates first class so don't even go there.
All the photos that have been taken look like there all from virgin aircraft. By the sounds of it, its looks like they are going to be getting a decent IFE system for the PTVs - I'd thought it would be along the lines of non-AVOD, maybe 12 channels and thats it. A bit dissapointed that it says they have the option to intergrate games "in the future" - mind you they are not installing it for more than a year so hoepfully it will be installed with it then.
They could have come up for a better name for "super economy" - they should call it koru class - but thats just my opinion
Motorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 2817 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5067 times:
Brilliant, I think it will redefine travel to and from New Zealand as well as encourage Australian business travellers to SFO to let QF and LAX go.
Am eagerly awaiting the first pics of the new economy-plus/exec-onomy/koru-class as I'd been badgering NZ for this if they were to drop first. I can't afford business if I'm travelling on my own money, but with my regular flying, they're bound to bump me up when I have to fly economy now that there's a mid-level.
This is all great news. I really liked the VS's new Upper Class and was hoping NZ would do the same.
Perhaps an SQ, VS, NZ link-up and consolidation is on the cards!
Aerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 735 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5054 times:
To be quite honest guys I'm not very impressed.
Air NZ promised an amazing new product. There is nothing new about it..."revolutionary" they called it... about as revolutionary as theft.
The new business/first is exactly the same as Virgin Atlantic (but without the virgin flair).
And the economy is the same as Singapore's A340-500 seats... not exactly the wow I was hoping for.
I think this is a case of over-hype and under deliver for Air New Zealand. What a shame, I was looking forward to being able to call Air New Zealand one of the best, not just one of the rest.
Brutie From New Zealand, joined Sep 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
While I wasn't exactly blown away by the pics either - I was hoping for something a bit more interesting design-wise I guess - I think we should remember the following:
1) The "revolutionariness" of the premium product will depend on the price - if they're offering something equivalent to a first-class product for business-class prices then i think that would be quite revolutionary.
2) Given that neither VS not SQ's 345s fly here those seats would look pretty revolutionary to 99% of NZ's customers.
3) There is quite a while to go before these changes start filtering through - it's entirely possible that NZ are holding some things back...
Qantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5006 times:
I actually like all that brown colour/retro-looking stuff-I think it looks quite cool.
as for: "3) There is quite a while to go before these changes start filtering through - it's entirely possible that NZ are holding some things back..."
There's nothing revolutionary about it because ANZ can't afford much more than that! This is an airline that has only just begun to emerge from the Ansett disaster and as it's website says, will fund these upgrades from it's cashflow, which is improving, but only just, hence the ridiculous delay before we will even get to see these announced changes. ANZ still has STACKS of debt to service-Standard and Poors have there shares still at close to junk-bond status. 'Revolutionary' upgrades are just not going to happen. At least with a more decent product, they will be streets ahead of UA, which will be lucky to even stay on the route.
American762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4976 times:
Air New Zealand First Class was my cabin back in 2000 from LAX-SYD SYD-LAX and it was very comfortable. The First Class seat was not exactly flat but it was very nice. The cabin was empty except for 6/9 people on both flights and it was wonderful. I did have time to walk around the 744 during the flights and noticed that the Business Class seat was not much different from mine other than a little less recline and the width was almost the same. The footrests were the business-type style in that they did not extend out flat but they still looked very comfortable. I fell asleep in First Class on the entire flight back right after eating for the 3rd time. It will be sad to see it go, it was a wonderful experience complimented by the wonderful service that AirNZ has been awarded with so many times.
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Qantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4945 times:
I guess I was refering to Aust/NZ-US market as a whole. For Australians, there are still 3 options to the US: QF/ANZ and UA. ANZ manages to persuade Australians to fly them (because it does involve an extra stop) to the US by offering deep discounts, as Qantas has pretty much pulled away from them with non-stop flights and a much better J and Y class.
Cx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4917 times:
Wow That is really interesting. I must say the only reason I stayed away froM NZ is because of the inferior seat. but now everything has changed.
I bet you QF will get their Skybeds on the LAX route soon!
I think QF will face intense competition from these new seats!!! I personally HATE that slant seats. I mean back when you had nothing to compare they are OK, but now, with the BA flat beds and these new angled flat beds, those SLANT beds doesn't really measure up anymore, and I guess QF will once again lag behind!
When will NZ reinstate the SYD-LAX route?
25 ZK-NBT: Looks good, it will be good for NZ on the whole, upgraded aircraft as well as new ones, should bring them more business I think. Hopefully now they ca
26 ZK-NBT: When will NZ reinstate the SYD-LAX route? Don't no if they will or not, not in the near future atleast.
27 Qantasflyer: Finally they will be offering a decent product in all classes and i like the idea of a premium economy - i wonder i f QF will follow? I cant help but
28 COEWR2587: They REALLY need to improve on IFE, but coach comfort and food is already great.
29 Cx123: Despite the seats is a complete replicate of the VS product, I still think it is the best J Class available (Much better than the Slant Beds, that QF