Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
LCCs And Fungus...Seriously Now  
User currently offlineAirtahitinui From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2001, 79 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Wow! A lot of interesting opinions were expressed in the last post and I must say I enjoyed it. I did intentionally try to tease the LCC fans on the site but my point was sincere in a sense. So now lets talk like adults.

I fly every week for business and fairly often for pleasure so I get to see a lot of the commercial aviation landscape. I see the LCCs doing very well and drawing a lot of traditional business travelers. My company even has begun to encourage LCC use - now this is where I start to get upset. Traveling for business is not fun (the plane ride is but being away from home in Podunk towns is miserable). Now you're telling me that I have to fly an airline that:

a) won't even have a reserved seat for me (WN) so dispute my being a recently flyer I may get a bad (middle) seat if I don't line up in time for group A or whatever?
b) doesn't allow me to use frequent flyer miles to get out of N. America (no Europe, Africa, Asia, Hawaii...).
c) cannot ever bump me up to a better class (much needed on long and crowded flights, especially when you travel each week)
d) will never serve a meal on a transcontinental flight (if you know which meal to pick its not the worst and actually has been much appreciated at times). Airport food is ususally no better than what's on a plane anyway.
e) I find seat pitch to be better overall on non-LCCs. I really do like the MRTC.
f) requires that I almost always fly in and out of an inconvenient airport which means less rental car selection and longer lines if the flight is packed (as a couple of off-hand examples). BTW - I actually don't mind the LGB vs LAX, but that's just a side note.
g) has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base. Sorry folks, truth hurts and I'll say it again. My experience has consistently been that LCC passengers in general, not all obviously, are loud, inconsiderate and ill-behaved. Not all HCC carriers have perfect passengers, not in the least. But a continental flight or AA flight is more likely to be comprised of people reading, working quietly on a laptop or napping, and no screaming kids. Meanwhile, the same WN flight has a loudmouth explaining to everybody on board how the plane flies (makes me cringe because he's wrong), babies crying, loud teenagers etc...Last thing I need after working like a dog.

I could go on but my point is this: it appears to me that quality of service and perks is declining and traditional HCCs are watering down their product to compete with LCCs. Soon airlines will truly become busses in the air with a token amenity here and there (corny stewards (WN), free radio, or 9 channels of free TV-- woo hoo jetblue, I flip through them all flight any searching for anything good). That makes my weekly travel world suck a lot. Perhaps I shouldn't hate the LCC I know airline economics and other factors are truly to blame. But LCCs are not the greatest things since the airplane okay - they stink for a lot of us out there. The end.


send a real message - DON'T VOTE!
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineUAlonghaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

"has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base. Sorry folks, truth hurts and I'll say it again. My experience has consistently been that LCC passengers in general, not all obviously, are loud, inconsiderate and ill-behaved. Not all HCC carriers have perfect passengers, not in the least. But a continental flight or AA flight is more likely to be comprised of people reading, working quietly on a laptop or napping, and no screaming kids. Meanwhile, the same WN flight has a loudmouth explaining to everybody on board how the plane flies (makes me cringe because he's wrong), babies crying, loud teenagers etc...Last thing I need after working like a dog."


HA HA HA, I agree.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

a) So what? Get out of bed at a normal time once in a while. Do you also complain about having to get up before 10AM when your boss schedules a meeting in the office at 9?
b) Same with the frequent flyer miles. Your company doesn't pay twice as much or more for a ticket just so you can get your vacation for free...
c) If you want the extra comfort of business class, pay for it yourself.
d) So you complain that you don't get a meal which you'd complain about anyway if you did get it? Just visit the airport Hilton before you fly and get a $100 breakfast on the company credit card...
e) that's because you are pampered by business class tickets which your company can no longer afford in part because of your extravagant travel habits.
f) unless there's economic incentive to fly to an airport where you can get some spotting done before or after the flight, you'll have a hard time selling that one to your boss.
f) in fact, that's my normal experience with just about any airline...



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineUAlonghaul From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Now there is a cynical look at everything in general.

That previous post (#2) did nothing for nobody.

Spending less money on something is not always the best thing, if you think it is, fine, but i don't. I happily spring the extra for F/C and mileage. If you don't want to, than don't, but no one has any right to tell anyone else how and when and where they want to fly to.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2246 times:

tahiti, take it up with your company if it's such an incredible hardship to travel WN - don't blame the airline for successfully deploying a reliable product on a daily basis you happen not to enjoy for your myriad reasons. It's ridiculous to expect anything beyond that which you are already aware concerning their operational model.

While this doesn't apply to all of them, it can generally be said that legacy carriers might *not* have to water down their product if they weren't managed in a manner that made it impossible for them to adapt to changing market conditions operationally while retaining an identity and services that continue to target core customer bases (namely business travelers such as yourself).

It's amazing how so many around here throw out *all* the rules of market economics when it comes to the airline business - and frankly, it's both ignorant and sad.



If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Jwentling...

You know - that's really not fair. I wish I had a company credit card with expense accounts. The sad truth is, that they pay my flight (always the coach price) which I have to lay out and then they pay me back on arrival. That is how I accumulate FF miles - I put the ticket on a credit card that pays me miles, then get miles for flying  Big thumbs up

I would love to take a LCC if I can get a good deal - I have flown AirTran a time or two and they are nice. However, they are just as expensive as DL, NW, or CO and I get FF miles on all of them - booked right to my NW account.

LCC have a place and that is how it should be, I will continue to travel on DL/NW/ and CO (will be much more in the coming months as I will be going to Houston quite often). And Airtahitinui you are quite right when you say that traditional airlines have a quieter cabin with more disciplined travelers than LCC. If you ever had an obnoxious 6 year old spill orange juice all over your white dress: and the parents don't even apologize - you'll know exactly what I mean! It was horrid then, but now I can laugh about it  Laugh out loud

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Flying isn't just for the wealthy, and shouldn't be. Even as a high payed Aerospace Engineer, the amount of flights I take requires me to find cheap flights. I put up with 2 hours of discomfort, or the pain of no assigned seats, simply because it's worth it in order to reach my destination.

The people you described as the typical passengers of LCC flights, they are people too. For some families, the only way they can afford to fly to see loved ones in on a LCC, especially if they have a large family. That's what's important to them. Air travel connects people, LCC allows more people to be connected, even if they don't have a laptop.



Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

The people you described as the typical passengers of LCC flights, they are people too. For some families, the only way they can afford to fly to see loved ones in on a LCC, especially if they have a large family. That's what's important to them. Air travel connects people, LCC allows more people to be connected, even if they don't have a laptop.

Which is why LCC's serve a purpose, however if they continue, there won't be an option for those who care to endulge.


User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Which is why LCC's serve a purpose, however if they continue, there won't be an option for those who care to endulge.

There will ALWAYS be another option.



EH.
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Wrong. There won't be an option if legacy carriers continue to allow poor management, molasses-paced operational adaptation to market conditions, and captive labor negotiations to dictate their course. I really feel like a broken record sometimes, but here it is again folks: market economics. market economics. and guess what? market economics.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Which is why LCC's serve a purpose, however if they continue, there won't be an option for those who care to endulge.

I think it's a little early to say LCC's will kill of all other forms of air travel. Wasn't there an new airline just started that was all first class? The system is adjusting to the emergence of LCC's, it will reach an equilibrium sometime.



Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Wasn't there an new airline just started that was all first class?

It's in Europe, Germany to be more specific I think.


User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1293 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

As Cuba Gooding Jr. said in Jerry Maguire, "Well Boo F***ing Hoo!" If you don't like LCC's I have a few options for you:
a) Quit your job
b) Move to an area that doesn't have any LCC's, like Antarctica
c) Or you could step up, just fly and not complain to the rest of us

What I really wish I had was a sign that says "No Whining."

-Matt



Jetwash Images - Feel the Heat!!!
User currently offlineVorticity From United States of America, joined May 2004, 337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Primaris Airliners, all first class, here are there routes they will start out with...

http://www.primarisairlines.com/plan/route.htm


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jet City Aviation Photography




Thermodynamics and english units don't mix...
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

In this country? Are you kidding? Whining is like a f*cking entitlement. It's disgusting.


If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

This service is subject to receipt of government operating authority.

There's one that's already flying though.


User currently offlineUA747SP From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Welcome to a free-market economy. However you look at it, LCCs are becoming more and more prevalent in the airline industry and soon may even overtake Legacy carriers in terms of RPMs. As with any free market system, with competition, industries evolve, thus increasing productivity, efficiency, and the appeal of their product to the masses.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer flying Legacy carriers, but I also prefer flying on DC-6 sleepers, BizJets, and the Concorde. As so many would pine for the pre-regulation days, many today think about the good ol' hub-and-spoke days of the 90s. Regardless, just because we prefer something doesn't mean that's what's most efficient or best for you or the company paying for your seat.

With all due seriousness, your main contentions (reserved seats, consumer-loyalty programs, status, meals, seat pitch, convenience of downtown airports) would best be fulfilled if you flew a private aircraft. It's more realistic than it seems. For the price of about a business class seat per person (and the advantage of saved time), you can book a flight for a few people from your company on your apparent carte blanche. Check out http://www.netjets.com or http://www.aircharternetwork.com for future possibilities. Here's the option for the indulgence that we all crave. Have fun out there.


User currently offlineNealcg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 141 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

LCCs And Fungus
LCCs And Fungus...Seriously Now
LCCs And Fungus...I have nothing better to do
LCCs And Fungus...I have a the ego of the size of Michael Morre
LCCs And Fungus...My father left my mother for a WN F/A
LCCs And Fungus...I missed out on the B6 IPO.
LCCs And Fungus...May we move on to something else already!!!

My two cents. The distinction between LCCs and Legacy's will blur, each influencing the other (i.e. B6). In 10 years the structure of most airlines will be a hybrid of each.

Good night damnit



_________________
AGGIES WIN





REMEMBER...NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO...THERE YOU ARE !!
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Let me comment on your points based on my perspective as a fairly regular business traveller for a small company without "deep pockets", which cannot afford to pay fancy C-class tickets for our travels:

a) won't even have a reserved seat for me (WN) so dispute my being a recently flyer I may get a bad (middle) seat if I don't line up in time for group A or whatever?

Well, I can understand how uncomfortable this situation is, but seriously, how long will a flight usually take? In my travels, the furthest we get is usually not more than 1,5 to 2 hours travel time. If you can stand sitting for such a short time span in a movie theater, why isn't this possible during a flight?

Although I don't like the situation when it happens to myself, I have come to live with that. It is not like they are going to chop my hand off. Big grin

b) doesn't allow me to use frequent flyer miles to get out of N. America (no Europe, Africa, Asia, Hawaii...).

Sorry dude, but this is what your company pays you a wage for. I assume that frequent flyer miles are not part of your work contract, are they? Or do you receive frequent flyer miles as an essential part of your wage like e.g. waiters receive their tips in a restaurant as part of their overall salary?

This smells a lot like wrong entitlement to me.

c) cannot ever bump me up to a better class (much needed on long and crowded flights, especially when you travel each week)

Again, this is not part of your contract, is it? I enjoy a flight in a better class as much as everyone does, and once in a while I get a lucky free upgrade, but don't expect this. If I am booked in Peasant Class  Big grin , then that's what I have come to expect sitting in.

d) will never serve a meal on a transcontinental flight.

OK, I understand your point here, because I know, how preciously few time sometimes is left between appointments and your next flight. However, at least in my situation, I always have three or four minutes to spare to grab a sandwhich at the airport in order to take in on board.

e) I find seat pitch to be better overall on non-LCCs. I really do like the MRTC.

Well, at least from my perspective as a traveller in Europe, the seat pitch differences between low cost and traditional carriers has become negligeable and in some cases, equal (e.g. the new Lufthansa configuration on continental European services is just as minimal as at every low cost carrier).

f) requires that I almost always fly in and out of an inconvenient airport which means less rental car selection and longer lines if the flight is packed.

This is a point I can fully understand.

g) has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base.

Hmmm, here in Europe, it depends more on the destination served and not on the airline. E.g. on a flight to VIE, the passenger mix on low cost and traditional flights is virtually the same. Maybe you are exaggerating a little?



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6590 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Airtahitinui,
What's wrong with a choice? You fall to one segment of the market... people in the other segment of the market wants more affordable flights... so they go the LCC way. People who wants meals in flights (30mins or 6hrs) will go on the airlines that offer these, while people who don't care, will go on those that doesn't as long as the price is better.

The Choice is there... WN has been flying for years, OK, they made money, hey, during those years, the legacy carriers were flying too...

Now, if you want to blame something(s) for the LCC boom, don't blame the LCCs... blame the management of the legacy airlines who drove these giant airlines to their knees. Even without the LCCs, the oligopolistic nature of the legacy carriers would yield the same result as now.

If you're annoyed that you can't get FF miles for your business trips now that your company is making you fly LCCs, blame your company! But remember, companies are there to make money, if they see you flying LCCs as a way to make money, then that's a company issue. Your company's responsibility is to their shareholders... if flying you on LCCs don't result in better profits, then either you get the boot (if you're the only one that can't handle it), or the management of your company will revert back to flying legacy carriers (if everyone in a similar position in your company becomes unproductive because of being put on LCCs).

"it appears to me that quality of service and perks is declining and traditional HCCs are watering down their product to compete with LCCs."
MidWest made money by not going down that path... until their customers decided to pick LCCs. Now even on routes where there are(were) no LCC competition, the legacy carriers were already having an attitude of "you're lucky to even get peanuts!"

Now who's to blame? It's not the LCCs, it's the legacy carrier's management... In the 80s they went bonkers over cost cutting and grinding down their labour force (eg. Lorenzo)... then there are the "I want market share at all cost" type management... (I think Wolf comes into this picture)...

So who's to blame? I may not want to fly an LCC, but that's not because I blame them... I prefer to be treated like a human in an aircraft, but then, I blame the management of the legacy carriers for dehumanizing their airlines!

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base.

I've flown all major US carriers except NW and CO (which I will fly in two weeks) and only one LCC (unless you count Song, then its two). I flew USA 3000 Airlines FLL to PHL. The passengers ahead of us, about thirty North Philadelphians (Philly's Harlem). The whole flight they were yelling at each other: "Hey nig***! Ain't nobody wanna sit near you." "Get you ass in dat seat!" (I didn't say this, they did, so these aren't racist remarks. I would never call a black person that.) USA 3000 equips their aircraft with five drink carts and the carts are positioned around the cabin. For example, cart one goes to row one, cart two might go to row eleven, cart three to row sixteen, ect. The one passenger raised his hand as the service cart rolled past. During taxi with the seat belt sign on they decided they didn't like their seats, so they just stood up and moved around. I was seated next to some freak who was staring at his fingers the whole flight. He paid $49 O/W (I saw his confirmation).
I would try USA 3000 once more but I would be really wary.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/44436/
^Full USA 3000 T/R

AAndrew


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

a) won't even have a reserved seat for me (WN) so dispute my being a recently flyer I may get a bad (middle) seat if I don't line up in time for group A or whatever?

Since you bring it up, and this appears to be my never-ending quest to get this question answered (nobody seems capable of answering it), I'll try again...How much more comfortable is your assigned seat if you are assigned a middle seat?

b) doesn't allow me to use frequent flyer miles to get out of N. America (no Europe, Africa, Asia, Hawaii...).

75 million folks last year decided that 16 flights and a free ticket to Vegas or Tahoe wasn't a half bad deal. Especially if they paid for the 16 flights themselves.

c) cannot ever bump me up to a better class (much needed on long and crowded flights, especially when you travel each week)

Some of the majors are tweaking the first class compartment a bit...making an effort to (gasp) SELL those seats instead of "bumping up" a frequent flyer flying on a discount fare into those seats.

d) will never serve a meal on a transcontinental flight (if you know which meal to pick its not the worst and actually has been much appreciated at times). Airport food is ususally no better than what's on a plane anyway.

A lot of airlines don't serve meals in coach...you know, the cabin with more people in it...on some transcon flights. And in many cases airport food is considerably better than what's served inflight.

e) I find seat pitch to be better overall on non-LCCs. I really do like the MRTC.

Really? Southwest has greater seat pitch in every seat than the "HCC's"...pretty much rivals MRTC on AA.

g) has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base. Sorry folks, truth hurts and I'll say it again. My experience has consistently been that LCC passengers in general, not all obviously, are loud, inconsiderate and ill-behaved.

Maybe they're ill behaved in Brooklyn. In the midwest, most of the passengers on LCC's are pretty well behaved...just as well behaved as the "HCC's". Matter of fact, the only flights I have been on with obnoxious passengers included a group of drunk cajuns (in the FC cabin on an L-1011) that were shouting back and forth loud enough to be heard in the back of the plane...really nice to hear when your only two rows in front of them. The other was a a-hole on AA who refused to gate check his amplifier. He ended up delaying the flight to the point where the FA had to tell him that he had two options - check the amp and fly to Kansas City, or stay in Dallas with the amp.

But a continental flight or AA flight is more likely to be comprised of people reading, working quietly on a laptop or napping, and no screaming kids.

Hmmm...might have to agree here. On my Delta and CO flights, I didn't have kids "scream" per se, just kicking the back of my seat from takeoff to touchdown. Also, on UAL there was a case of a "gentleman" in first class defacating on the serving cart and wiping himself with a linen napkin, as well as two "models" who had a nicotine fit at 35,000 feet over Alaska, forcing a diversion of the flight.

Meanwhile, the same WN flight has a loudmouth explaining to everybody on board how the plane flies (makes me cringe because he's wrong), babies crying, loud teenagers etc...Last thing I need after working like a dog.

Again, this may be unique to Brooklyn. In all my SWA flights, I haven't seen any "loud-mouthed know it alls" or loud teenagers, or really any crying babies (of course my flights were on those ever popular "leisure routes" like MCI-MDW or MCI-STL. Not to many children on the morning flights to those places. Lots of suits though. None of them loud or obnoxious.



User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

That previous post (#2) did nothing for nobody.

Reply #1 was even less impressive.

And Airtahitinui you are quite right when you say that traditional airlines have a quieter cabin with more disciplined travelers than LCC. If you ever had an obnoxious 6 year old spill orange juice all over your white dress: and the parents don't even apologize - you'll know exactly what I mean! It was horrid then, but now I can laugh about it

Yeah, my sister had this exact experience on DL. Except it was her own coffee.

Which is why LCC's serve a purpose, however if they continue, there won't be an option for those who care to endulge.

I don't normally pay attention to who writes posts, but this is characteristic of your fatalistic, black-or-white look at the industry, BGG... There will be various types of airlines in the future. The problem is that LCCs have focused on niche marketing while the legacy carriers are trying to be all things to all people. Trying to be all things to all people is a quick way for a company to enter bankruptcy, which many legacy carriers have already done.

I really feel like a broken record sometimes, but here it is again folks: market economics. market economics. and guess what? market economics.

Looks like NW and CO are doing very well at facing those market forces. Granted neither one made money last year, but each was much closer than the other four major Legacy carriers...

c) cannot ever bump me up to a better class (much needed on long and crowded flights, especially when you travel each week)

You claim to live in Brooklyn. That means you're just a few miles from La Guardia and Newark is a short connection through Penn Station away. So you have AirTran as an option, and they have a business class product. JFK is only a few miles from you as well, and HP serves it; they have a biz-class product. YX serves La Guardia, and flying through MCI you get only First Class product, and some flights through MKE are still only First Class.

e) I find seat pitch to be better overall on non-LCCs. I really do like the MRTC.

Never flew Vanguard, huh? MRTC was our standard seat pitch. That's why our MD-80s carried 132 instead of 152 pax. Other LCCs have larger seat pitch, and some of the Legacy carriers I've flown are pretty G*d-damned cramped.

f) requires that I almost always fly in and out of an inconvenient airport which means less rental car selection and longer lines if the flight is packed.

Again, LGA and JFK are inconvenient? MDW is inconvenient? Sure, not every LCC serves every airport, but that will change as these airlines grow.

g) has annoying/obnoxious people making up most of its customer base.

I'm sorry, but this is universal within the industry. As long as the Legacy carriers keep undercutting the LCCs on fares for leisure travelers, you'll see crying babies and loud-mouth morons on every airline.

I've flown all major US carriers except NW and CO (which I will fly in two weeks) and only one LCC (unless you count Song, then its two)

Wow, this really gives you a depth of knowledge for all the LCCs out there.

If you couldn't tell the sarcasm of that statement, well, let's just say I intended it to be dripping with irony.

USA 3000 is hardly an example of an "average" LCC in this country.

And yes, unfortunately you find people flying today who are frankly less-than-desirable. But I'm sure that in the days before the LCCs, there were plenty of people who wore white robes and hoods who flew (though they were disguised as regular, intelligent people I am sure).

How much more comfortable is your assigned seat if you are assigned a middle seat?

I've often wondered this myself. I just wasn't sure how to phrase it. LMAO!


Honestly, LCCs aren't that bad, and every year they each introduce something to improve their service or otherwise make the experience better.

Stop complaining and enjoy the lower fares.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

"I could go on but my point is this: it appears to me that quality of service and perks is declining and traditional HCCs are watering down their product to compete with LCCs."

Nope, they are watering down their product so they can continue to fly longer than the end of next week.



Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently offlineWJA73G From Canada, joined Jun 2004, 171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Ok, venting about your bad week is one thing but please dont take it out on my family(LCC employees) or the companies that I love...(B6, WN, WS)

If you dont like LCCs, DONT FLY THEM.. AA, DL, or UA or whatever are happy to have your money..

I can understand a bad week but please do not insult me or the companies my loved ones choose to work for...

By the way, on your last LCC bashing post, Sorry for calling you a $tup1d A$$ho... (need I go on?).. Really I am sorry

-especially because I recieved a "friendly reminder" (half threatening) from A.net in my inbox-

WJA73G


25 Sydscott : "Ok, venting about your bad week is one thing but please dont take it out on my family(LCC employees) or the companies that I love...(B6, WN, WS)" Who
26 MD80Nut : Airtahitihui: I find many of the points you make have little to do with my experiences flying LCCs. Southwest is the only one I know with open seating
27 Post contains images InnocuousFox : Oh goodie! More fun with sterotypes!! Ignorant punk troublemakers...
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
UA And AA Are Now Pissing Me Off! Big Time! posted Fri Jan 13 2006 09:04:55 by ETStar
LCCs And Seating posted Sun Jan 30 2005 16:42:27 by UNITED777300
Airport 75 And 77 - On Now posted Tue Aug 31 2004 02:03:11 by Cha747
LCCs And The Transborder Market posted Tue Aug 17 2004 19:47:55 by DesertJets
Excellent Comparison On LCCs And Traditionals posted Mon Mar 1 2004 01:26:26 by JetBluefan1
LCCs And In-flight TV posted Thu Jan 22 2004 07:56:26 by F9Fan
AirTran And Boeing Happy Now. posted Wed Feb 12 2003 01:27:10 by CX747
B6 And Xjet At PHL Now! posted Tue Feb 27 2007 19:24:03 by PHLJJS
First ORD-YHZ, Now ATL-YHZ..and Other Stuff posted Tue Feb 13 2007 21:13:04 by EXAAUADL
Why Are US And Euro LCCs So Different? posted Fri Jan 5 2007 01:43:06 by Aa757first