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LIT: Any Near-term Growth?  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6565 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

Does anyone think LIT will see any new flights in the near term, or do you think that the market is close enough to MEM not to warrant additional service?

There's not much mainline service left in LIT. Delta and Southwest are the only two I think. American did fly M80's LIT-DFW but looking in SHARES these seemed to have been replaced by all RJ's. United used to run 737-200's LIT-ORD but those are long gone.

I wonder if an additional LCC could enter LIT and make it work. Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1488 times:


WN seems to have a healthy presence with flights to MDW, MCI, PHX and HOU.

FL could take a leap at it although DL seems to have several DL Connection flights. B6 might, but with CO and a flight to EWR. I don't have the O&D numbers handy, but I wonder if F9 could take a stab at this?

It seems to be a market that is potentially under-served for service to the west. There's no UA heading to DEN. My guess is that F9 could make a go of it.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

While I haven't heard anything about it, it's conceivable US might start PHL-LIT as a preemptive strike against WN.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

FRNTMAN:
LIT does not have WN service to MCI. F9 would fit in perfectly to DEN. American Eagle could start service to LAX to compete with WN out west.

NW is in talks with adding A319 service to MEM this fall to replace a D9 flight.


As far as destinations served here goes:

Non-Stop Jet Service(Daily)(Except for flights to MCI)

Atlanta (ATL) Delta/Delta Connection (3 MD-80's, 1 732, 1 CRJ-200)

Baltimore/Washington (BWI) Southwest (1 737)

Charlotte (CLT) US Airways (3 ERJ-145)

Chicago - Midway (MDW) Southwest (1 737)

Chicago - O'Hare (ORD) American Eagle (5 mostly CR7's, ERJ-145, ERJ-135)

Cincinnati (CVG) Delta/Delta Connection (4 CRJ's)

Dallas (DFW) Delta/Delta Connection (4 ERJ's, 1 CR7)
American Eagle (10 mostly CR7's, ERJ-145)

Dallas - Love Field (DAL) Southwest (7 737's)

Detroit (DTW) Northwest/Northwest Airlink (2 CRJ-200)

Houston - Bush Intercontinental (IAH) Continental Express (5 ERJ-145)

Houston - Hobby (HOU) Southwest (1 737)

Kansas City (MCI) US Airways (2 B1900)

Las Vegas (LAS) Southwest (1 737)

Memphis (MEM) Northwest/Northwest Airlink (3 D9's)

Minneapolis-St. Paul (MSP) Northwest/Northwest Airlink (2 CRJ-200's)

New York - Newark Liberty International (EWR) Continental Express (1 ERJ-145XR)

Phoenix (PHX) Southwest (1 737)

St. Louis (STL) Southwest (3 737's)

This should be it.


NW7E7


[Edited 2004-06-29 02:21:59]

User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

LIT has gotten two new destinations so far this year MSP and EWR as well as added service to DFW, CVG, and ORD this year and hopefully aircraft upgrades later this year. Passenger numbers have been increasing for the 5th straight month so far compared to last year.

NW7E7


User currently offlineFrntman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 209 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

NW7E7-

Sorry. I stand corrected. It looks like all the MCI traffic on WN goes through STL.

At any rate, I think that LIT would fit very well with F9's structure. Maybe two or three JetExpress flights daily? LIT is far enough from DFW and OKC to have enough of their own encachment area. Our CEO has indicated that we're not scheduled to open any more new cities this fiscal year.

Then again, we could get a surprise!



User currently offlineGulfstreamGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 646 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

As far as other aviation businesses are concerned, Dassault Falcon Jet has just dedicated a brand new hanger and is ready to break ground on two more this summer. This is where they will be completing the Falcon "7X". Now there is more talk of putting in another FBO to compete with Central Flying Service, Omni Air, Raytheon, and Falcon Jet. That should be interesting.

GulfstreamGuy



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User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1423 times:

Instead of flying mainline jets to DFW and ORD AA opted for all RJ's so that there would be alot of frequency. LIT could support mainline but with not as many flights per day.

They would probably turn into an airline like NW to MEM. Instead of flying 6 RJ's they fly 3 D9's.

GulfstreamGuy:
Would there be enough room for another airline to operate to LIT?? (i.e. gates, ticket counters...)

Another LCC could fit in if it operated to an airport that WN doesn't fly to like DEN on F9.


User currently offlineRailmatt From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

In 1990 I flew on United in a 727-100 from TUL to LIT. At one point in time 3 of United's flights from Stapleton to Tulsa continued on to Little Rock.

In 1981ish I remember flying from LIT to DFW on American in a 727-200. Seems like that flight started in BOS. Specifically remember them serving Fritoes instead of peanuts.


User currently offlineBhmal From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 140 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

I'm curious as to the population of the LIT MSA. Here in BHM we have a little over 1 million in our MSA and have quite a bit more mainline service than LIT. We are just a little further from MEM and much closer to ATL. BHM has lost quite a few mainline flights over the past few years however. CO still keeps one or two mainline flights depending on the time of year. NW has gotten down to one mainline before but it greatly varies between 3 and 6 now.

My guess would be that the LIT MSA isn't too much smaller than BHM. Seems like they could definitely support FL or F9 if they decided to start service.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6752 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

Actually, the Little Rock MSA is MUCH smaller than Birmingham, AL -- only about 600,000 in the Little Rock area. Arguably, though, LIT has traffic above the levels of some larger metro areas (like GSP or SYR or RIC) due to the presence of WN at LIT. A fair number of people in the Memphis area make the drive to LIT to take advantage of lower fares; DAL/DFW-LIT, for example, has 2.5 times the traffic of DFW-MEM. LIT-Chicago draws nearly as many passengers as MEM-Chicago.

I think it would be tough to justify F9 service to DEN given weak passenger numbers to DEN and competition from WN to most West Coast cities. And I suspect that it's pretty far down on B6's list given that they still fly to exactly one city in the Central Time Zone.


User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Yeah there is actually a scheduled bus service that runs from Memphis to LIT. There are tons of flights from LIT-DAL/DFW probably 3-4 per hour on Delta Connection, American Eagle, and Southwest.

Scottb:
LIT has more traffic than RIC??

As far as growth there are alot of projects underway such as runway lengthening, passenger screening area expansion. Landscaping project:

The project, which will cost $1.5 million, will include installation of a major water feature at the main entrance to the airport along with landscaped areas at a number of locations on airport grounds. The water feature was designed by Wet Design, a California company whose work can be seen at Epcot in Orlando, the Bellagio Hotel in Las Vegas, The Houston Galleria, McCormick Convention Center in Chicago and the Los Angeles Music Center. In all more than 8,145 new trees and plants will be added.

For more info: http://lrn-airport.com/




User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Looks like LIT will have 3 new destinations this year and 1 new carrier.

User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 534 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

Would there be any chance of bringing back a couple of MD-80's from AA and booting a few ERJ's??

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