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User currently offlineHodges From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 138 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

I'm going to be flying to Germany on Lufthansa later this week from JFK to Frankfurt and then from Frankfurt to Munich. I've been wondering two things. First of all is it at all possible to fly jumpseat for at least some part of the flight, and secondly, how would one go about accomplishing that?

Thanks for the help,

Erik Hodges


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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

If Lufthansa still permits it, your best chance is to type a letter and sign it and put it in an envelope addressed to the captain and give it to the F/A at the door upon boarding. In it, write that you're interested in aviation, mention that you have your pilot's license if you do, and that you'd greatly appreciate being able to visit the cockpit during the flight. The least they can do is read it and let you up after landing if they have a no-visitor policy nowadays.

Or, if you're lucky, they'll let you up during the flight sometime. I lucked out flying BA from PHL to LHR and back and spent over 2 hours in the cockpit of the 777, including pushback to Halifax leaving PHL. Definitely worth the effort; good luck!

Nick


User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5408 times:

...type a letter and sign it and put it in an envelope addressed to the captain and give it to the F/A at the door upon boarding...

What are the chances of that being misconstrued? Yeah, when they read it, they'll probably laugh in relief, but I'm willing to bet that the FA's first thought would be something along the lines of, "AHHH!"



What the FUTT?
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

At the time that wasn't in anyone's mind, Brian. Except for our 19 buddies, the pilots, our best friends on 9/11.

Still, I think if you mentioned it was a request to visit the cockpit to the F/A they wouldn't get nervous one iota.

Nick


User currently offlinePilothighflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

American Carriers are not allowed to have people in the jumpset, including crew according to a Delta (Song) 757 Capt. i was talking to last week. Upon entering the cabin i walked up 2 the cockpit door and knocked and was allowed to sit in the first officer's seat for 20 minutes before pushback and during the course of our conversation he said he would of given me the Jumpseat if allowed, but even he is not allowed jumpseat privilages, but apparently rules are going to change that will allow crew to jumpseat than eventaully other ATPs to get the seat, as he said when i'm flyin for some regional i'll get to take a ride up front.

Robert


User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

As for Lufthansa, they don't allow jumspeat rides anymore.


cheers,

707


User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

Fly AF instead and be nice to the flightcrew, at least it is still permitted on that airline (the jumpseat, not being nice  Smile )


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Will



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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5322 times:

Just try to be nice, polite and try to show the captain ( NOT the cabin crew ), how much you're interested into aviation and how much you would like to see the pilots working...

Talking to the captain or the f/o is better in general, because the flightattendants won't understand how you feel in most cases...


However, I think in Germany, jumpseating is not allowed anymore in general.
I've hada JS ride in May, from NRN to MUC, a German domestic ride, but the airline was V-Bird, so Dutch  Wink/being sarcastic

Good luck,

regards, Florian



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User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5310 times:

Rhaaa. Without even opening the large version I can tell the left one is not an A318 !

707


User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Well, if you were German, flying on (or even for) a German airline, speaking German and on a domestic flight, I guess you would have a better chance for a jumpseat ride. But then again, I don't think LH would allow you to have a landing in the jumpseat. So strict is their policy. That is, however, post-9-11...


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User currently offlineChrisZRH From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

you need to have a cockpit permit! than you're allowed on the jump for the whole time.. but have no idea how this works in germany!


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User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3767 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Having any kind of pilot licence helps too  Smile I tried it out!

regards, Florian



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User currently offlineSNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

One topice a while ago mentioned that the German aviation authority has banned cockpit visits over German airspace. I know that the same goes for UK airspace, and they actually send people on board to fine crews who do allow people in the cockpits.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5181 times:

Jumpseat flights on any German airline are forbidden by law since October or November last year (I can't remember the exact date), only the active flight crew is allowed to sit in the cockpit during the flight. You can be employee or even be the CEO of LH, you are not allowed to enter the cockpit during the flight.

Thanks a lot to our paranoid minister of the interior for that great law!  Yeah sure

Patrick


User currently offlineAcho From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 340 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Do Mexican carriers still alow this? Next week I will be flying QRO-MEX-REX and back on VW and AM. Will I have any chance?

User currently offlineSoAmSky From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

"Thanks a lot to our paranoid minister of the interior for that great law!"

Thanks a lot to the Saudi terrorists and their twisted religion believe on September 11th
 Sad



Soar the blue of the South American Sky
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

your best chance is with a smaller airline, like a regional, outside North America and Europe.




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User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

I dont think any US passenger carriers allow it anymore but does anyone know if FX might? my dad's buddy is a DC10 captain with them and it would be cool to jumpseat out to MEM sometime. Shoulda asked him myself at his birthday party last year but I was too busy drinking  Nuts

User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Since 9/11 the only way to actually be able to ride the cockpit jumpseat in the U.S. is to be a crewmember of that airline or it's affiliate. As a USAirways Express pilot, I may occupy a US mainline or affiliated Express jumpseat. I may still "jumpseat" on DL, UA, AA etc, but must only occupy a seat in the cabin, if available.
Also pre 9/11 it was possible to catch a ride on Fedex or UPS or any cargo carrier, but that has since been discontinued. Any Fedex pilots on A.net with an update?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Per F.A.R. here in the U.S., you would need to be an employee of an air carrier who holds an airman (Pilot, A&P mechanic, F.A.A. inspector, etc.) certificate. There are no exceptions to that rule and is strictly enforced.


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User currently offlineBREmer From Germany, joined May 2004, 551 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Jumpseat rides are strictly forbidden since November 1st 2003 by German law. My cousin is a F/O on 737 at Lufthansa and said the pilots aren't even allowed to open the flightdeck for their own wife and kids. Not only for jumpseat rides, but during the entire flight. In fact, Lufthansa pilots who are flying deadhead in the cabin and wear a crew uniform(!!) aren't even allowed to enter the flight deck anymore, not even to say Hi to their fellow colleagues.
So the new German air safety law is even stricter than the FAA one. I'm sorry but I don't think there'll be any chance at all to get a jumpseat ride on a German carrier, even if it's a turboprop domestic flight.
I've talked to several LH pilots and 100% agreed that this new law is 100% bull***t and won't make flying safer. They said they always enjoyed showing the flight deck to passengers and kids and inviting people to fly on the jump.  Sad

Well, you should at least try. Maybe you got a pilot on his last flight before retirement.  Big grin

Greetz
Lukas


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4608 times:

What can tell you about FEDEX is that not even employees, that normally flew worldwide, on duty or for pleasure, since 9/11 were forbidden to fly on the company aircraft. They are studying to return the old practice BUT ONLY FOR EMPLOYEES.
I know this as my wife works for FEDEX.


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

I managed to ride jumpseat purely by chance. My seat (12B) faced the centre flight attendants' seats on a B757 of a British Charter airline. Although an aviation freak I still become nervous when flying, so during my conversation with the F/A on take off I asked what they did when someone became hysterical through fear of flying. As the conversation progressed I admitted to the F/A that I was nervous when flying. After meal service the F/A asked if a visit to the flight deck might help me to calm down. Was she kidding? I jumped at the chance and surprisingly the Captain granted my request.
Surprisingly the visit to the flightdeck did help. I felt much calmer afterwards and on the return journey with the same airline we struck bad turbulence. Normally I would freak out in this situation but somehow I had every confidence in this airline and the flight crew and actually enjoyed being bumped around!



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User currently offlineSpeedbird747 From Switzerland, joined May 2004, 123 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

TAME Ecuador still allows Jumpseat rides... At least if you hold a pilot license. In October 2003 I had the chance to fly UIO-GYE-UIO on the Jumpseat of an F-28.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=176733
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=177147

Cheers
Simon


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

One topice a while ago mentioned that the German aviation authority has banned cockpit visits over German airspace. I know that the same goes for UK airspace, and they actually send people on board to fine crews who do allow people in the cockpits.

I was on BA last Friday GLA-LHR that had a jumpseater for the whole flight. BA Cabin crew I beleive.


25 ChiGB1973 : Just try to be nice, polite and try to show the captain ( NOT the cabin crew ), how much you're interested into aviation and how much you would like t
26 Americanairfan : In all my ignorance what is a jumpseat I know its in the cockpit but why is it called that and why is it there?
27 SlamClick : Americanairfan a jumpseat is called a "forward observer's seat" in the Federal Aviation Regulations. It exists so that check pilots giving checkrides
28 IDISA : Unfortunately is forbidden in Germany, you can try by asking (INNflight, I agree with you) the Captain if this would be possible, but chance is poor..
29 DC-10 Levo : I would love to ride jumpseat but I always fly with charter companies and what's the chance of them letting me? I'm only 16 so would they even allow m
30 Aa777mia : Basically it is very difficult to do, unless you work for that carrier. I rode jumpseat today from JFK to FLL.. Was awesome.. What a day!
31 DABZF : Jumpseat flights on any German airline are forbidden by law... Jumpseat rides are strictly forbidden since November 1st 2003 by German law. Unfortunat
32 StanstedFlyer : I've done it 3 times with BA to Montreal, but that was pre 9/11. Then I just asked to visit the flightdeck and chatted to the pilots. After about 5 mi
33 Post contains images Skyway1 : FedEx employees can jumpseat on widebody aircraft, as they have a small number of seats onboard behind the cockpit. As stated above, employees cannot
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