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Brian Mulroney May Get Air Canada Post  
User currently offlineCanadi>nBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Interesting.........very interesting.

Former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney is likely to be named to Air Canada's board when the insolvent carrier emerges from bankruptcy protection later this year, according to sources.

Mulroney is an adviser to New York hedge fund Cerberus Capital Management LP, which recently agreed to swap $250 million for a 9.2 per cent interest in cash-strapped Air Canada.

A source close to the hedge fund stated, "This airline still needs to get smaller, and it's going to need someone politically connected to make things happen, and who's better than Mulroney?"

Um Hmm.

Brian Mulroney. The wonderful wonderful wonderful Brian.


The subject is Mulroney, Air Canada, and perhaps Airbuses?

Discuss.

21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

I can see this thread getting very political... But still, it would have been interesting to see how a PC victory in the polls and Mulroney on the board would have affected Air Canada.

User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I won't make it political except to note that contrary to the image of Mulroney so cherished by left wing reactionary myopic Toronto Star reading types, namely that he was some demon--the reality is that internationally Mr Mulroney is in the highest echelon of the business, political, diplomatic communities. Mulroney is probably the most well respected and admired former Canadian PM by a long shot---including the most overrated of all, PET aka YUL.

Whereas Trudeau may have commanded respect of left coast pot smoking intellectual tweed jacket Barabra Streisand types, as well as left wing tin pot dictators like Castro---, he was an acknowedged clown by any serious thinkers; by contrast Mulroney enjoys wide spread admiration as a top international lawyer, businessman and elder statesman.

AC will do very well to have him appointed to the Board.

Any Airbus refernece is just plain silly. Alan Rock and jean Chretien criminally tried to use to federal justice dept to smear the man over "Airbus" and the canadian taxpayer ended up paying, as it always does, for Liberal arrogance and incompetence.

But, good thing the 'Sheeple" of Ontario re-elected these clowns.

Mulroney=better future times for AC.


User currently offlineSlawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

WEll said cayman......


"Clive Beddoe says he favours competition, but his actions do not support that idea." Robert Milton - CEO Air Canada
User currently offlineFrmyqr From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Personally I like the idea. Brian may not have been the greatest PM but he has a great business mind and I think will help the airline. Good move!


i'm from regina. Heard of it?
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Cayman, there's a couple of stereotypes you missed... like "immigrants are stealing all our jobs" etc.

I think the Canadian taxpayer paid quite dearly for the actions of that "most admired" Prime Minister.
Who exactly is he so well respected by? Not a majority of Canadians who regard him and Diefenbaker as among the least respected and popular PM's, maybe the Americans hold him in high regard. My friends to the South can have him!

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

My friends to the South can have him!


Well, I guess we could take him. But that would just contribute to the ever-growing Canadian brain drain to the south.  Smile


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Well as long as you guys send back our best hockey players we'll be happy!  Smile

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2103 times:

Kaz,

If the sterotype fits, wear it.

Citing the negative reaction of a large number of Canadians to Mulroney does nothing to prove anything bad about the man to me. Quite the contrary: it proves a great deal about the large number of canadians. Short sighted, biased, easily jaded by a fanatical left wing media culture in Canada.

Who is Mulroney respected by? Sure, a number of Americans. That he was invited to eulogize Ronald Reagan says a great deal about his relative improtance. Jean Chretien wouldn't get invited to give a speech to the Dustbowl Rotary Club.

However, to suggest that Mulroney's respect is limited to the US is ridiculous. THE UK, European Union, Asia, the boards of many highly respected intl corporations. Kaz, have you fallen into the uniquely canadian trap of resenting someone for their success? I guess that would explain why so few Canadians resent Jean Chretien.

However, I realize this opinion is too poltical. back on point, Brian Mulroney is an outstanding candidate for the board of AC.

Finally, please do not suggest that I am anti-immigrant or make some thinly veiled reference to me being a bigot just because, God forbid, I dare to condemn the rotten to the core Liberal party of canada and question all those who sheepishly follow it. I assure you I am neither. That suggestion is offensive and uncalled for. Yes, it is possible to vigorously criticize the Liberal party and its Propganda page aka the Toronto Star without being "anti immigrant". Talk about stereotyping--you suggest I am a bigot because I dare to challenge the Liberal Party. Well, why not, afterall the very same Liberal party just managed to steal an election using that same hyperbole and scare mongering. It's the canadian way.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Given that Mulroney led the privatization of AC, this is perhaps appropriate.

However, one of the things that binds AC's inefficiencies is the AC Act which stipulates that AC be based in YUL, have fuily bilingual cabin staff, and maintain 3 mx bases. Montreal-centric Mulroney was the author of this Act and he will only ensure its continuance, much to AC's detriment.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Another thought, regardless of the relative high claim that Mulroney is held in intl business circles (as Cayman pointed out), it's the average travelling Joe who will notice this appt the most, and it will reflect badly on AC.

Westerners still remember the awarding by Mulroney of the CF-18 contract to a YUL firm despite a lower bid from Bristol Aerospace in YWG. This one act alone led to the creation of the Reform party. This is one reason Mulroney remains hated in Western Canada.

AC will only lose further revenue in Western Canada with Mulroney as a board member.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Cayman,

Although I agree that the Toronto Star is leftist, but isn't the National Post is the paper for the neo-cons in Canada?
It's quite easy to label Canadians as this or that, you are entitled to your opinion. However, I would much rather have the Liberals with all their faults (and there are quite a few), than have the Conservatives and their US-centric policies. I have fallen into no trap, you however probably are uninformed about what Canadians believe in since you do not live in our great country.
As far as Mulroney being so widely repected and known... Didn't Larry King on CNN refer to him as the Prime Minister of Great Britain in a recent interview after Reagan's death? LOL

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Jeez, a little perspective goes a long way. I'd like to see some sources indicating whether Mulroney is that respected in business circles. Cayman, perhaps you can lay off your little political dialogues, because frankly, they are getting old and boring to read. Every post you make has a reference to the Liberals and the Toronto Star. How refreshing. Perhaps when you live and pay taxes in Canada, you can start bitching, but while you're down there in your tax-free haven, try to enjoy the perks and relax a little.

I just don't understand how ANYBODY can proudly stand behind ANY of the political parties in Canada. None of them have any solid and positive track record to be proud of. They just have a few good and lots of bad qualities, while certain people would rather list the few good qualities of one, and all the bad qualities of the other when making their arguments.

Keeping this moderately aviation-related, ummm, yeah, Mulroney on the BOD of AC? Now that would be interesting!



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

And while they're at it, they should name Margaret Thatcher to be AC's new CEO. She made Britain great again, surely she can turn AC around.

User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

I won't make it political except to note...

Where did the non-political part begin, Cayman? I couldn't find it  Smile


User currently offlineChock head From Samoa, joined May 2002, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

but isn't the National Post is the paper for the neo-cons in Canada?

It is owned by the Asper family who have strong ties to the Liberal party. The fact is that Paul Martin is center/right...more so than Chretien. That being said, I am no fan of the morally corrupt Liberal party.

To keep this not 100% political I will weigh in on Mulroney on the BOD of AC. Personally I think it is a good idea. He has business cnx that will help and will keep an eye on the Cerberus investment. Most people when booking a ticket are not going to think "oh! Muroney works for AC, I am going to fly someone else"

They are going to follow the fare that suits their needs.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Folks, this thread alone shows how controversial Mulroney is with so many fellow Canadians fighting so early in a thread.  Big thumbs up This highlights that perhaps Mulroney is best left off this board given his active stewardship & involvement in AC during his days as PM, and his ensuing controversy both in AC issues and any Canadian issues in general.

Plus, let's please not attack Canadians who don't live in Canada. I also left Canada once for career purposes (of course to return) but it made me a more passionate Canadian than anything else ever could.

Cheers



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1434 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Neil, I totally agree as I also had the same experience after living abroad for work! Like you I also returned.  Smile

Happy Canada Day Everyone!

Cheers,
Kaz



t.dot photography
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Talking PM's in Canada, if you really want to start a riot in the West, just mention one simple word...

Trudeau or the NEP

either one, and you'll be asking for it...that aside, Mulroney does have a good business sense, yet as some people may choose to point out Air Canada is morally corrupt and already is burrowing itself into the ground.



Mark McWhirter...Contrails Photography
User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1860 times:


Good...

Maybe AC will get the 600's quicker than 2010... a lot quicker. A good lawyer on the board is what AC needs, especially one that has experience with corporate controversy. Good stuff.


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

"...I just don't understand how ANYBODY can proudly stand behind ANY of the political parties in Canada. None of them have any solid and positive track record to be proud of. They just have a few good and lots of bad qualities, while certain people would rather list the few good qualities of one, and all the bad qualities of the other when making their arguments..."

My Gosh...SO well said, Captain Gomes!

I, as a Western Canadian, a former PC, and a now former Lib... (who has, for the foreseeable future NO political ties) cannot fathom how much business and politics is so blatantly intermixed here.
How long has Mulroney been away from politics, anyways? Although he is no saint, can Mulroney do any worse than Milton?

...just a thought.

R in Alberta



AC.WA.CP.DL.RW.CO.WG.WJ.WN.KI.FL.SK.ACL.UA.US.F9
User currently offlineRobsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Coming from the Canadian left coast, I can say that Mulroney ended up being dislike and distrusted by both the left and right. But, I still think he'd be as good an AC board member as any given his experience and background.

He'd be there as a Cerberus nominee anyway, looking after their interests, which is probably short-term profitability.


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