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NW Wants To Fly DTW-Guangzhou, China  
User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 690 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

NWA plans to launch seven weekly round trips from DTW to Guangzhou China beginning in August.

NW also wants to launch cargo services from ORD to Shanghai and LAX to Guangzhou via ANC.

Source: http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/business/9051404.htm

[Edited 2004-07-01 05:21:13]


The New American is arriving.
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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Is that something else about more new service from DTW-CAN?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Northwest's inability to have kept thier DTW-SHA and DTW-PEK services operating does not bode well for approval on this route. If they couldn't make PEK and SHA work, why would CAN? Unless, of course, they are planning to run the flight through Narita, Osaka, or Nagoya.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

This is probably just part of the game of trying to get a maximum out of the new frequencies that will become available as a result of the new bilateral between the US and China. Ask for a lot to get a least part of the cake. Incidentally, UA just applied for ORD-PVG rights. I guess the other players won't be long before submitting their wishes. Can't imagine AA, DL and CO wouldn't be interested in some mainland China rights.



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Can't imagine AA, DL and CO wouldn't be interested in some mainland China rights.

DL doesn't have the aircraft and while CO could work it in, they are running thier long-haul fleet on a very tight schedule.

American Airlines, however, has already announced they want ORD-PVG:
ttp://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/06-18-2004/0002195895&EDATE=



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User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4087 times:

Although business travel is important for almost any international route, it is especially important when starting these new routes to mainland China. Are there substantial business connections between the Detroit metro area and Guangzhou? Or is DTW being selected because it is NW's main US international hub? I wonder if NW would do well flying more direct Asia flights out of SEA, as the Pacific Northwest has huge business connections to Asia. At SEA, NW only offers flights connecting through NRT now correct? KIX, NGO and other destinations fly out of DTW if I'm not mistaken. Anybody have figures on the O/D between SEA and Asia (other than Tokyo)? Northwest seems to thrive on its NRT hub, but I wonder if they could do more direct flights to other destinations from its west coast gateways.

--Paddy


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5401 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

As I read NW's DOT application, the DTW flight will operate via NRT with a change of equipment - which makes the US point of origin almost irrelevant.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

DL doesn't have the aircraft and while CO could work it in, they are running thier long-haul fleet on a very tight schedule.

True, but that won't stop them from applying for the routes anyhow. Remember a coupe of years ago the fierce battles between DL and CO for traffic rights into South America. CO didn't have the equipment but applied for rights to EZE and others anyway. Same thing will happen here. I don believe though that DL has the aircraft available by redeploying some 772s for that and replacing them with their oversupply of 763s transatlantic.




User currently offlineDtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

There were a lot of reasons the Non Stop flights stopped to AA), China">PEK and PVG from DTW. Mainly 9-11. It became much more prudent to make them direct through AA), Japan">NRT (Pax loads, less problems with Chinese govt, and don't forget Air China was selling our seats too cheaply out of China). There really isn't one main reason. It just worked better for NW. I would rather have us do the Direct flights if it will help save us money. Don't get me wrong, I really miss the non stop (nothing like a 4 and 1/2 day layover in PVG or AA), China">PEK). CAN service has always been mentioned (don't forget the nice codeshare possibility with China Southern ---- a likely canidate for the SkyTeam. I would think we would do direct through AA), Japan">NRT to CAN. It makes the most sense. Maybe next year we can do non stop to AA), China">PEK and PVG again. Prior to 9-11 we were going to begin non stop to HKG from DTW.
I don't think NW will sit idle while UA and AA start looking at expanding service into China.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

There were a lot of reasons the Non Stop flights stopped to AA), China">AA), China">PEK and PVG from DTW. Mainly 9-11.

DTW-PVG was cut before 9.11.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

DTW-PEK lasted until I think April 2002 even though it was only a couple days a week, the planes always came in fully loaded.

I am not quite sure of company names, but I remember there being quite a few Chinese businesses in Detroit plus a lot of the people would be connecting elsewhere. China is a huge country remember, so is USA and there aren't a lot of flights between the two countries so it should do quite well.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

DTW-NRT-CAN is a great idea, since it will allow them to start with small equipment (757/332) and upgrade if/as the route develops.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

So far there's no press release from NWA regarding DTW-NRT-CAN. Anyway would that mean NW to add another daily DTW-NRT?

Hubbing @NRT for NW may be a great idea to NWA but it really not very exciting to pax having to spend layover hrs at NRT. Why couldn't they do at least one weekly DTW-PEK, DTW-PVG or DTW-CAN non stop, with the rest via NRT? I remember they used to do 4 nonstop DTW-PEK and 3 via NRT and thought that worked out beautifully (for me).

Since they got rid of DTW-PEK non-stop, I found flying UA via ORD to PEK is so much better than via NRT to PEK. Plus, NW 744 econ seat width is smaller than UA 772's.



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