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What Would Retired AA 767-200's Be Good For?  
User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8397 times:


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After looking at this photo of many of my favorite type of B767, I began to wonder is there a future for these aircraft at all? Would they make a good aircraft for an LCC doing long-haul trans-Atlantic or Hawaii service.

Maybe there is some other fit for them. I just hate seeing them mothballed if they have some useful life. I know they are getting a few years on them but it seems like they should have some useful life in them.

Regards,
John

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User currently offlineLowRider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

I am sure that ABX, DHL, UPS, FedEx, Air Atlanta, and a variety of other cargo companies could find a use for them. A variety of large charter operators such as Champion Air, Sun Country, and Miami Air could use them as well. If North American Airlines had it's eyes on expansion, there is possibility there as well.


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2911 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8358 times:


Convert them to aerial refueling tankers and transports for the military.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Convert them into homes - it would be the A.net version of a trailer park....  Big grin

User currently offlineFlamant15 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8329 times:

It is too bad because these were such nice birds. I have so many memories on these planes as I used to fly to BRU all the time on these puppies.

I think the best bet would be to convert them to cargo.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Its hard to believe that US carriers do not find them suitable for service anymore  Sad


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

Yeah, this is not good for B767-200 already retires them now and will see in the future orders with newest plane of AA.

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8318 times:

A lot will depend on whether they are due heavy maintenance, and are the ER variant or not.

AA might not be able to offload them at the moment either, depending on whether they are on lease or leveraged against loans. That can take a while to work through.

Air Atlanta will probably be taking a good look at them for their ACMI ops and european charter work.


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8296 times:

Couldn't they also be converted to frieghters to serve cargo airlines, or the USAF as a tanker?

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1378 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

A friend of mine at AA said they are in "temporary" retirement and suppose to be back in service at some point in the near future.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

A friend of mine at AA said they are in "temporary" retirement


One good sign is that they haven't been de-branded! Retired or offloaded aircraft from AA normally get company marks removed and ocasionally the red stripe painted out


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8165 times:

Most of the earlier AA 762's were converted to ER version. They might also end up in Africa, as many DC-10s at the moment, or in the CIS.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8138 times:

AA hasn't retired their entire fleet of 762s. It's simply a reduction of capacity. If I'm not mistaken, AA could bring these back into service whenever they please.

User currently offlineNorthwest 777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Sorry to dissapoint but actually they'll all be joining the fleet of me new startup long-haul carrier based here in SEA. I got a great deal on them.  Big grin

User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Air Atlanta will probably be taking a good look at them for their ACMI ops and european charter work.

That would be nice to see, but I see a big problem with that. European charter carriers have a config of 2-4-2 on the 767 (BAL XLA FCA etc).

If you look at BAL 762's they have an extra overwing exit to the AA ones beacause they carry more passengers.


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Also XLA's leased from Air Atlanta ex BAL 762's have this.


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I dont know what the rules are on the max amount of pax the AA762's can carry but hopefully it is more than enough for English charter companies. Or maybe we'll see 2-3-2 Big grin


Jamo


User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

These could be great aircraft for pilgrammage flights to Jeddah...

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User currently offlineNz1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2247 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8076 times:
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Couldn't they also be converted to frieghters to serve cargo airlines, or the USAF as a tanker?

Great idea. NZ have just got rid of 2 of their 3 762ER's to Star Airways. They are in Israel right now being converted to freighters.

Regards
NZ1


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Converting into freighters is not economically viable. This is very expensive considering they are B762. B762 are not good freighters. B763 yes but they are better freighters considering if they are brand new from Boeing. Also converted B763 are no good freighters.
It seems to me better option to be kept on AA fleet as step planes for future ;instead of buy new ones. Or as many said, could be option for other small or charter carriers.


User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Thank you for all of the great, and not so great, responses. Does anybody know is the DHL/ABX 762 fleet was originally freighters or converted?

I know our UPS fleet of 763 was made as freighters and has performed well for our needs.

Thanks,
John


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

Are those 762's ex-TWA aircraft? Didn't TWA operate any 762?


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7915 times:

One of the ex-TWA 762s is already scrapped. I´m afraid that most of AAs 762s won´t be flying a lot anymore. A 20 year old 762 with high mileage is not a good candidate for freighter conversion anymore.

User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

The TWA 762's were mostly sold in exchange for 763ER's while TWA was still afloat. AA has already replaced the TWA 763's with the new ones they got from Boeing last year. The non-ER 762's parked by American are not expected to be returned to service, as well as several of their owned 762ER's. As of their March annual report, I believe AA had only one parked 762ER which they expect to return to service at some point.


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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7862 times:

DHL and ABX B762 were converted.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

I imagine AA was hoping to part them out as KC767 spares (but would structural parts even be needed for the firs ten years of service?). Since that's unlikely, who knows.

The 767-200ER's are rather unusual in that there is no real competition for them on the long-thin routes.....so I guess I'm surprised that they are mothballed without future buyers.



User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7754 times:

Would ATA be interested in them as a replacement for the L1011's that are now gone? their biggest aircraft will be the 757 soon......


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25 Ckfred : My understanding is that the 767-200ERs will eventually return to service. Right now, they are basically flying trans-con routes, but they might event
26 JJMNGR : Gentlemen, With no ofense to the B767 fans, but I woulld like to sit down in a bar on day, ask for a beer and relax...than read on the can " recicled
27 Post contains images Solnabo : JJMNGR: That was a good one!! lmao Mike//SE
28 LTBEWR : AA probably doesn't want to dispose of these a/c yet pending possible increases in demand and lower fuel prices. They could be used again for longer d
29 Richardw : Would some of them be good for relief aircraft if business picks up? How does AA currently operate standby/relief aircraft?
30 Spacepope : Define high mileage? They may be 20 years old, but they probably don't have much more than 60,000 hours on them. If you convert them to freighters and
31 RiffedAAMech : AA's 767-200's were becoming real dogs. They were still good airplanes, but were beginning to show signs of old age with some maintenance problems if
32 WhiteHatter : If you look at BAL 762's they have an extra overwing exit to the AA ones beacause they carry more passengers. I know about the high density BY ones, I
33 Mark777300 : hey if you think those machines will be put out to pasture think again! I'm almost sure that they would be converted to freighters in the nearer futur
34 Dutchjet : Although the 767 is one of my favorite types and it bothers me to see so many sitting in the desert, we must accept that many of AA's 762s are very ea
35 PresRDC : My understanding based on recent AA communications is that the parked 762s are not expected to return to service. While it must make sense from AA's p
36 Bredman1 : Sorry but the planes in the picture are getting ready to visit the Great and Powerful Beer Can God.
37 Qqflyboy : Ckfrd got it right when he said there were only eight non-ER 762 variants in the AA fleet. They have been permanently retired. The 762ERs either alrea
38 Blink182 : Would putting the 757 on JFK-SFO justify the reinstalling of MRTC? Let's face it, JFK-SFO largely isn't a leisure/holiday route. blink
39 Dutchjet : Good point, Blink182, I did not think of that.....with the 757s configured with the less room through coach seating and optimized for leisure destinat
40 TrnsWrld : Yeah TWA got rid of all the 762's before AA took over. So in that picture yes those are all AA aircraft. There are TWA 767-200's flying all over the p
41 Infiniti757 : ABX 76s are freighters but they don't have the door conversion that most freighters have, only the roller floor. Instead they use a special container
42 PresRDC : AA Transcon 757s: They are sold as F/Y class, with the F class meal service being a step-up from regular domestic F (separate appetizer and salad on t
43 22right : It is fine with permission to build time machine for retired desert AA 767s. I am no problem with it and be nice for people around.
44 Post contains images AM772 : Converted on -ER's, I think AM may look at some of them. Cheers AM772
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