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AW 757 With Gear Down Over Phx  
User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Last night I saw an America West 757 over Phoenix (nr Camelback mountain for any locals) with it's landing gear down. I see planes over here every 10 mins or so and have never seen one with the gear down, it's a fair way from the airport here.

Why would this have been - any thoughts?

BF


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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

I don´t know the local temperature, but if it was high and aircraft had short time on the ground before take off again, probably the landing gear was down for cooling the brakes, before gear up.
This is normal. When an aircraft land, the application of breaks is fundamental and they become very hot. Crew is always thinking about not to have to use hot breaks in case of another landing or a take-off abortion because they will not work properly with high temperatures.

Caught it!



User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

Oh yes.... camelback mountain. Spent a few days at the Camelback Resort in July 2000. Late nights in the pool with aircraft all over the sky......

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

>>>Why would this have been - any thoughts?

Brake cooling is certainly one possibility.

If the aircraft was an arrival, another possibility (more remote) is that it was a gear-down ferry flight, and that the gear had been extended the entire flight. These flights sometimes become necessary when certain landing gear-related malfunctions occur, and the aircraft can't be repaired at whatever airport it is located. The flight will be operated under a maintenance ferry permit (no passengers allowed) so as to get the aircraft back to someplace where it can be fixed. A gear-down ferry involves inserting steel pins in the landing gear mechanism that will prevent retraction, and planning the flight lower and slower. Once back at PHX (a big maintenance base for HP) it could then be fixed.

That could be what you saw, or maybe not....  Big grin



User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

YES, THERE MIGHT BE THIS POSSIBILITY TOO...

User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

::::::SIGH::::::: I miss hiking Camelback. Good times.... Very good views for aircraft.

-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

It's been about 106 here for the last few days so I guess the cooling thing is the most likely.

BF



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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

You never did tell anyone whether it was a dep or arr.


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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I know they have their check lists, but I still notice that some pilots lower the gear a lot earlier than others.

Maybe it has to do with airports, but I notice it at MDW too. I guess as long as check lists are completed by a certain point, the things involved in the check list kind of have their of time frame?

M


User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

If it was over Camelback it could have been on approach and just had its gear down early.

User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

As ASUFLYER says, it would have been an approach.

BF



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Was he higher than you usually see aircraft on approach? I've been on flights we're they suddenly cleared in, and they start throwing everything out early to slow down.....

Travis


User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Not much higher than other aircraft I have seen around here.

BF



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Hmmmmmm... maybe he had already slowed down and gotten to approach height. I'm a F/A, and while it doesn't happen that often, I've seen the gear tossed out way early during rapid descents...

Travis


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12104 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2741 times:
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It's been about 106 here for the last few days so I guess the cooling thing is the most likely. YIKES that is hot.


User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

The gear might have been down to steadily slow the aircraft down before landing. The gear in down position produces drag on the plane.

User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Was it a theme livery plane? If it wasn't it could've been 903, 906, 907, 909, 910, 913 or 914.


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