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PDX To HNL..It's Official!  
User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6540 times:

I guess it's official that Northwest Airlines will be started flights from Portland to HNL starting Dec, 15, 2004. The other day I wrote the Port of Portland inquiring about the ramp and taxiways work being done on the southside in the Horizon airlines area this summer. They also included additional information about this new service being planned. Kool man!! It nice to see that Northwest has renewed interest in adding service at Portland. I wonder what equipment are they planning on using. All you PDX spotter get your cameras ready...

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User currently offlineSCRAMJET From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6375 times:

Most likely a 757-300.

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Interesting..A757-300...........I thought they would probably use a DC-10...Are the number a seats around the same for both aircrafts?

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

See Leneld, more PDX for you after all.

Its would be a 753. All Hawaii service is going to 753's with the exception of HNL-MSP/NRT of course.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Leneld, The 753 has fewer seats, but is much more ecomomical for NW to operate to Hawaii. I think NW found a niche for their 753s.


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User currently onlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3988 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6215 times:
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the 753 seating capacity isn't that far off from the widebodies. Ours at CO seat 224, while our 764 seats 235, so not too much of a difference, particularly on the routes where it is more leisure travel. A reason why we switched our 753's to seat only 12 in first class and 210 in coach.


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User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6208 times:

Good news. Nice to see that NW thinks that PDX can support multiple HNL services. Gotta love the 753 "flying pencil" too.

--Paddy


User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

As739x..That is the nicest thing you have ever written to me. Are you feeling well today?

User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

NW seats 224 in its 753s, 24F/200Y. The -10s seat 273, 26J/247Y.


The New American is arriving.
User currently offlineFightingDingo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

I don't think NWA has announced the new PDX-HNL flight yet. I wonder when the official announcement will be. Maybe the person from PDX was not supposed to tell you yet. Anyway I think its great! Does anyone think NW will add more flights to either of it's cities to bring people in for the HNL and NRT flights?

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6161 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

Well i'm happy to see you get some new service. I honestly don't hate PDX!


 Smile/happy/getting dizzy ASSFO






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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

I'm not sure if Northwest will add any additional service to PDX beyond the new Narita and the future HNL flights. Maybe though, in time they could extend their Deroit service to year round instead of just seasonal and connect the dots by resuming nonstop service to Memphis. I believe they flew to Memphis in the early 90's. Northwest appears to be a very conservative Airline, so I think for now they're just watching to see how the Narita flight performs.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Great news if true.

If NW does open the route, a lot has to do with the good economics of the 753, its always been my opinion that the 753 is a great airliner that was overlooked by many airlines; its a very, very economical and effecient way to move a lot of passengers over a medium haul route. The yeilds on US mainland-Hawaii routes are not great, but by using an effecient airliner like the 753, NW should be able to make this route work.

With the 753 service, NW is going to re-establish itself on the west coast-Hawaii routes, rumor is that SEA-HNL will be double daily 753, SEA-OGG-KOA, daily 753, PDX-HNL with a daily 753, and the LAX-HNL and SFO-HNL are to re-introduced each with a daily 753 service. That, plus the MSP, (seasonal) DTW and Japan flights will give NW more flights to Hawaii than we have seen in many years.


User currently offlineDadoftyler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

No more calls, we have a winner....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040701/cgth046_1.html


User currently offlineJetranger2000 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Along with the level of tourists that fly to HNL from PDX, I know there's a good portion of native Hawaiians that live in Portland that do travel back to the island annually.

I wonder if the Russian population in Portland is big enough to support flights by Aeroflot. Heck, there's also a pocket of French people in Portland as well, but probably not enough for a Air France flight.


User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5809 times:

Jetranger2004..I remember a while back in the early nineties, a start up airline wanted to fly from a city(unsure of the name) in Eastern Russia to PDX, however, the russian government did not approve this request and the new service never materialized. I'm sure a lot Russian from the state of Oregon are supporting Aeroflot's flights from Seattle though...Back on the subject, I'm so glad that the Port did not mislead me with this information about NWA new plan of Portland and it stands true. It great to see that we will have another option to HNL besides Hawaiian Airlines...Thankyou Dadoftyler for confirming the news!!.

User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

Good news for Portland and San Francisco - once-daily 753 service to HNL begins on the same day.

This also means that PDX will get another 753 operating to MSP, because you can bet that NW isn't going to stand for one of their aircraft sitting on the ground all day.


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5784 times:
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I don't quite see how the 753 would go HNL-PDX-MSP for utilization since the flight is timed to do HNL-PDX-HNL quite well. The 753 arrives PDX 6:12a, and departs 8:35a. Surely there's time to turn the plane back to Hawaii in that window without requiring a second aircraft...

User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Ahh, okay - thanks Flash.

So where's the aircraft going to go? There's an afternoon flight to SEA that fits this time slot quite nicely...


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineFightingDingo From United States of America, joined May 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

Great news! I just don't like the time of the HNL-PDX flight.



User currently offlineFlashmeister From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2901 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5721 times:
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I think that the aircraft is just going to be slated for HNL-PDX-HNL turns.

User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Flash is right. The EQP for NW924 to SEA comes into HNL as NW925 from SEA so NW85 from PDX will turn into NW84 back to PDX.


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5691 times:

Clever bit of marketing in the press release, suggesting that PDX and SFO passengers traveling to Asia can now stop in Hawaii on the way home for some R&R. Sounds good to me!


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

(from the press release)


Portland-Honolulu service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 83 8:35 a.m. 12:30 p.m. 757-300

Honolulu-Portland service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 82 10:45 p.m. 6:12 a.m. 757-300

San Francisco-Honolulu service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 85 3:30 p.m. 6:56 p.m. 757-300

Honolulu-San Francisco service (effective Dec. 15)

Flight number: Departs: Arrives: Aircraft:

NW 84 1:50 p.m. 8:50 p.m. 757-300



There's no way this plane is going to sit on the ground at HNL for over ten hours per day. Looks to me like PDX-HNL turns into HNL-SFO, and SFO-HNL turns into HNL-PDX. Meanwhile, the HNL-SFO flight probably turns into the SFO-MSP redeye, which is a fairly popular flight and can use the extra capacity.


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

So what is next..Memphis? or maybe( i'm thinking longterm) Amsterdam?

25 COAB767 : Or the inbound HNL-SFO flight could turn into the 1030pm flight to DTW.
26 Azjubilee : They've created the schedule they have for best a/c routing optimization. With SEA and PDX arriving around the same time and SEA and SFO departing aro
27 S12PPL : SWEET! It's about time they made an official announcement!!! This rumor has been circulating for a while now. And...It'll be GREAT to finally see a 75
28 TransPac : Leneld: So what is next..Memphis? or maybe( i'm thinking longterm) Amsterdam? I dunno about MEM but I don't think we'll see AMS service for a long tim
29 Leneld : It wouldn't surprise me to see DTW to go year round and the introduction of MEM..It only make sense since MEM is on of Northwest Hubs. As far as Amste
30 Nwcoflyer : Leneld, As much as MEM seems to make sense, NW is very conservative when adding capacity. Many cities on the west coast dont have service to MEM inclu
31 Kwbl : Excellent news for PDX. I hope the service performs well and I also hope it is not at the expense of Hawaiian. Now if we can just get BOS, JFK, MCO &
32 FightingDingo : How are we going to get non-stop MCO?
33 ScottysAir : No, they will not use with nonstop from MCO-HNL either and because it is weight restrictions on their way to HNL.
34 FightingDingo : ScottysAir I think you misunderstood me. I was saying how are we going to get nonstop PDX-MCO not MCO-HNL. Which airline would operate PDX-MCO? Maybe
35 XFSUgimpLB41X : MCO-PDX sounds Deltaish to me.
36 Post contains images S12PPL : MCO-PDX sounds like a United route as well....If I remember correctly...United all ready has a direct PDX-MCO flight operated by a 757 through ORD....
37 Leneld : This is a little off the subject, but I've always wondered with all of the cargo being shipped from Oregon to Asia, how come Northwest Airlines doesn'
38 Jjeff : PDX-MCO by United would actually be Ted. I don't see this happening in the short term.
39 Post contains images Ariegel : Clever bit of marketing in the press release, suggesting that PDX and SFO passengers traveling to Asia can now stop in Hawaii on the way home for some
40 Post contains links Azjubilee : The NW 753s have a domestic first class cabin seating 24 in a 37 inch pitch layout. Link to seatmap: http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/seatm/753/index.s
41 Dtwintlflyer : Don't forget the talk of maybe LAS to HNL also...this has been a persistant rumor. PDX service to HNL was a no brainer with the way our 757300 fleet i
42 Kwbl : I do not see NW going to AMS from PDX in near future. As for PDX-MCO, I think AS is the most likely candidate. There has been rumors on this board abo
43 Azjubilee : Dtwintl - I woulnd't be surprised if NWA exersized options on the 330s and 744s within a year or so. They've already publicly said they're focusing on
44 Gnomon : Azjubilee -- Is it expected that NW will order more 744s? I must have missed that somewhere...great news, nonetheless.
45 Dtwintlflyer : Yea that PHX HNL has been thrown around for some time. I thought it had something to do with one of the charter carriers slot which was operating that
46 TransPac : A slight digression, but I wonder why people keep bringing up PDX-MCO. Is there really any incentive for such a flight? It seems like the route would
47 Azjubilee : Gnomon - NW hasn't officially announced that they will order more 744s. They do have 2 more on option and have the NEED for them. That was my basis of
48 Leneld : Transpac..I brought it up simply to report what cities the Port of Portland is going after as part as their short term plans which are MCO,BWI, JFK, B
49 NWA Man : Does anyone know if they offer elite upgrades on the 757-300's now that they aren't equiped with WBC as per the DC-10's? Not to HNL. Regards, N-Dub
50 FightingDingo : PDX-MCO flown by Delta would work out well. Just with Song and Delta Connection there are many cities that are served from MCO. Below are all of the c
51 Nwcoflyer : FightingDingo, NW does not serve MCO-IND. DL does not fly to LGW from MCO. Maybe you mean LGA? Those are all Song flights. Azjubilee, Absolutley corre
52 FightingDingo : Thank you NWcoflyer for pointing that out. Yes I meant LGA not LGW. Also as you said NW does not serve IND non-stop from MCO.
53 Leneld : What do you think about the idea of Northwest Cargo starting all cargo service from PDX to Asia...Could we support another all cargo flight at PDX and
54 Azjubilee : I'm sure NW Cargo is interested... only if it will make sense. With only 12 freghters right now, it would need to be a hands down money maker to pull
55 Ha763 : I don't know, with PDX close to SEA, it probably makes more sense to truck the cargo up to SEA instead of adding PDX. Also, they can and probably do r
56 Leneld : HA763....There is no disputing that there is enough cargo here to justify cargo flights from PDX to Asia. If that was not the case Korean air Cargo an
57 Azjubilee : When NW launched this Portland-Tokyo service they made particular mention that cargo can now be carried straight out of Portland to Tokto. They mentio
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