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User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

According to various media sources, a Sacramento, CA family is verbally slamming America West due to the carrier's serving peanuts on board flights which transported the family to Mexico recently. One of the children is highly allergic to peanuts, and prior to purchasing tickets, the family attempted to have America West GUARANTEE no peanuts would be served on board. America West wouldn't, and COULDN'T make the guarantee, but the family assumed that a "peanut free" environment would be forthcoming. NOT !! Now then, I'm not trying to sound ignorant about peanut-based allergies, but how serious are they? Is it possible that "peanut particles" suspended in the air within a closed environment can cause serious allergic reactions even without consumption? Just curious....

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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3188 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

America West wouldn't, and COULDN'T make the guarantee, but the family assumed that a "peanut free" environment would be forthcoming

Duh

Now then, I'm not trying to sound ignorant about peanut-based allergies, but how serious are they?

I think pretty serious for the very very few.

My question would be how do they function in normal life, movie theaters, restaurants, the mall, workplace, school, grocery store, the kid down the street walking into your house with a package of Reese's?

Sounds like they should of just flown on a private jet.

Okie


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Peanut allergies can be very dangerous indeed - my niece's preschool in North Reading MA specifically forbids peanuts or peanut products in the kids lunch boxes, in case any of the other kids are allergic.

User currently offlineSpoon04 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Again, please forgive my ignorance, but do people with peanut allergies have the same reactions to other nuts (i.e. cashews, almonds, etc.)? It would seem to me that airlines would free themselves of all liability if they would just serve some other type of snack. Personally, I wish more airlines would bring back the smoked almonds. I would imagine though the cost for those would be prohibitive.

User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

Peanuts are not nuts. Therefore some people can have no problems with other nuts. Having said that though many people who are allergic to peanuts are also allergic to nuts as well.

Yes the allergy can be that serious. My little brother is allergic to peanuts and if I eat peanuts and not wash my hands then touch him he will have a reaction through the skin. The problem is unlike many other allergies peanuts allergies tend to induce a anaphalytic(sp) response. Meaning their throat swells up. Now banning them is not the answer. My brother has a epipen and takes that if required then gets to a hospital. When he is on a plane he knows if he has a reaction the plane can be diverted.

Greasespot.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6843 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Peanut allergy can kill. It has happened many times on aircraft.

Quick search.....

http://www.sptimes.com/News/123001/Travel/Out_of_the_Blue__Pean.shtml
http://www.americawest.com/services/specialneeds/sv_peanutallergy.htm
http://www.cathaypacific.com/hk/pretrip/smart/0,,112605,00.html
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/healthmedcond/public/en_gb
http://www.allergyfacts.org.au/policy.html

Airlines can't guarantee any safe environment.

Andy



wheat and dairy can screw up your brain
User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

they should have taken a different plane then if they were so concerned, go with a lo cost carrier that doesnt serve food or that the food is so expensive people would rather starve, ryanair and easyjet are perfect examples. And besides (gets stroppy) where does this madness end? do airlines stop selling booze, sop using cleaning product, how far should airlines go to accomodate people with allergies???


Equally Cursed and Blessed.
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Most airlines I have flown on in the last 10-15 years do not serve peanuts (which, as already pointed out is not a nut, but a pea).

Peanut allergy is sort of different in that it is hazardous even if you do not touch or ingest the peanuts. Just being in the vicinity can be dangerous. So anything else can be served (strawberries, shellfish, etc..) without causing allergic reactions.

The other thing is that allergies can kill if you don't get treatment at once, and since you're stuck in a metal tube...

So, Catatonic, I definitely think that airlines should accomodate people who are allergic, since it's rather easy to do so. With the exception of the peanuts ban, all you need are special meals.

There is one other case though. My wife is violently allergic to cats, as in her eyes swell up until she is blind and she coughs uncontrollably. So I think all animals need to go in the hold regardless of size, OR there should be specified animal free flights.


In this case though, if the airline could not guarantee a peanut free environment, and said so, I don't see their argument.

My $0.02.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

I'm sorry, but this is just over the top. I don't expect the world to revolve around me, though many in my household believe I do, so why do these people expect the rest of us to be "pea"nalized for their issues.

Yes allergies are a problem, but don't make an airline suffer because you have an issue.



User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Re: So I think all animals need to go in the hold regardless of size

I'd agree with that, even disregarding the allergy problem. Except for seeing-eye dogs, animals should travel cargo.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

I agree that this family's reaction was over the top. After all, the airline had told them what to expect. Duh... Darwin takes care of those people.


But in general, if I were an airline exec, I wouldn't want somebody to die onboard from an allergic reaction brought on by something I provided.

It's just peanuts, not the rest of your food. Peanuts are singled out because the symptoms are particularly severe. Feel free to serve other things which many people are allergic to:
- Walnuts.
- Shellfish.
- Dairy.
- Pasta and bread with gluten.
- Strawberries.
- Cherries.
- ...

Can you give up your peanuts for a couple of hours?



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

so why do these people expect the rest of us to be "pea"nalized for their issues.

Because otherwise they're running the risk of death. I guess it's too much to ask you to give up a few peanuts in order to save a life.

Some airlines will rid the entire plane of peanuts prior to flight if asked with a medical certificate.


User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Shouldn't thousands of schoolchildren died already because of this peanut issue? I mean, during the 60's, 70's, 80's weren't peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches the staple for lunchboxes? They should have been dropping like flies.

Any shouldn't anyone with an allergy SO severe as to cause death, best be transported by private means (family car). Who the hell expects and airline to guarantee a peanut free environment? They can't even guarantee your luggage doesn't have a better vacation than you.

What do they do in a restaurant? A no peanut section?
WHAT DO THEY DO AT THE CIRCUS??? OR A BALLGAME???

Kidding about some, but not all..


User currently offlineDelayedagain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

''Some airlines will rid the entire plane of peanuts prior to flight if asked with a medical certificate.''

I don't want to make this thread sillier than it already is, but how could an airline guarantee there would be no peanuts on-board? Even if they haven't catered any and super-cleaned the plane, any other passenger could carry a packet with them.

Does liability in case of allergic reaction rest with the airline or the food-terrorist who opens a bag of nuts?

This family have a horrible predicament, but if the condition is so bad as to be life-threatening, weren't they being just a wee bit cavalier with their daughter's life by just the very risk of exposure?


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

I guess I'm just callous, but if I or a member of my family is allergic, offended afraid, etc., of something, it is up to me to avoid the object. The airline should not hold any of the burden past me asking that the item not be served to me.

Why should someone, or a group of someones, be penalized for my "disability". Sure allergies are a pain, and a peanut, shellfish, etc. allergy can be deadly, but that is my problem. I'm deathly allergic to bee/wasp/hornet stings, I don't hold the golf course responsible for eliminating all the bugs on the course.



User currently offlineNjoizflyin From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

These peanut allergies aren't the actual peanuts but the pesticides sprayed onto the fields in which they are grown. Go organic and your problems may disappear in most cases.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12884 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
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OK, this is a hijack! Nobody move, or I'll open this packet of peanuts!


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User currently offlineStearmanNut From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Leaves me out. I'm allergic to women.


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

@ Delayedagain:

I was also wondering what measures will be taken if somebody does open a bag of peanuts. Are the Marshalls going to take him down?



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

What do they do in a restaurant? A no peanut section?
WHAT DO THEY DO AT THE CIRCUS??? OR A BALLGAME???


You don't have to land the restaurant/circus/ballpark to get the person who can't breathe to a hospital. Airplanes are tricky that way.


And as I said, peanuts are a special case since you don't actually have to eat them to get severe symptoms. Avoiding stuff you have to eat to get symptoms is pretty easy. Avoiding stuff floating in the air is something else.

It's just peanuts. The allergics aren't asking us to give up a huge chunk of our lives. I don't really feel penalized if I don't get peanuts. They're fattening anyway  Big grin


Interesting facts about peanut allergy:
- Affects 1.3% of the population. So it's not like the chances are minimal to have a pax onboard with it. Granted, not all are severaly allergic.
- As many as one third of those allergic experience severe reactions.
- Reactions can begin and proceed rapidly, in extreme cases proving fatal within minutes.


Read this http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=15618&page=1 if you want. Interesting.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

If they know there is a possibility that peanuts will be served, then drive...i think people like them, and the fat ones that sue the airlines are ridiculous...get a fu*king life. I don't think that the airlines should have to bend every rule for people; if you don't/can't fly...drive...GEEZ!


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User currently offlineOrdinduaflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Delayedagain....was thinking along the same lines. The airline can decide not to serve anything containing peanuts or anything processed in a plant that also processes peanuts....but they can't control what other pax are bringing on the plane in that regard. (I'm picturing TSA & security checkpoints, and a big box filled with food products...  Big grin )

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

But if you're an airline CEO, do you really want the New York Time headline to be: "Passenger dies on board due to peanuts served by x Airlines???

No matter how little it's the airline's fault, they'll be on the headline.


If people take peanuts onboard with them, that's normally fine. It's one thing if one or two bags are opened, but if everyone gets peanuts and opens them, it's something else.


As for the "let them drive" and "airlines should not bend over" school, I assume you also think that airlines should not assist the elderly and handicapped with wheelchairs, the blind with guidance, the vegetarians with special meals or even the parents with their infants... It's not like they're asking you not to eat anything, or even to give up most of the foodstuffs. It's just the peanuts. Seems like a small sacrifice...


[Edited 2004-07-02 19:38:17]


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User currently offlineDelayedagain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

How much will it cost the aircraft maufacturers and/or airlines to add another sign in the overhead panel. Along with the seatbelt and the no smoking, we now need one with a bag of nuts with a thick red line across it.
it could, of course, be safely switched off after all 400 passengers had been interrogated to make sure none of us minded. I'd be happy to pay the extra $10 or whatever per ticket to pay for the installation if it meant the sacramento family didn't have to go by greyhound  Smile
it's been a long week, good night and good weekend y'all.


User currently offlineMd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2661 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Just being in the vicinity can be dangerous.

I guess it's possible that someone could be allergic to a peanut if they touch it or ingest it....but this is going way too far. Peanuts DO NOT emit anything that could enter the respiratory system. How does the allergic person KNOW when a peanut is nearby? This is most likely the placebo principle in action. A person who is a known allergic to peanuts....when one enters their field of view...they all the sudden will have allergic reactions or they will start to imagine that they are having allergic reactions. Can you spell $$$$$?

Peanuts have been around for thousands of years and this "allergy" is only in it's infancy. Kinda wierd.


25 7E72004 : But if i want to eat peanuts on an airplane..i am goingto eat peanuts on an airplane!
26 Soups : BA wouldnt offer any penuts on any flights i was on LAX-LHR and a lady next to me started complaing she dont like petzels or similar thing with her dr
27 Post contains images PHLBOS : One option for the individual (who's allergic to peanuts) would be to see which airline (assuming there's a choice of carriers in the given itinerary)
28 Post contains images 7E72004 : But the problem is even if you find an airline that does not serve peanuts...you still have the problem of passengers bringing their own on board. I h
29 StarCruiser : I haven't been served peanuts by an airline in many years. Every AA, CO, DL, NW, TW and UA flight I have been on has served pretzels, which I prefer a
30 Catatonic : Starlionblue, so what does your wife do if a cat walks past her in the street? should all cats be banned from everywhere cos ur wife gets a bit snivel
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