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Its Official! IB Miami HUB To Close Oct. 1st  
User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9089 times:

Hot off the press. The Miami HUB is done as of October 1st.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5578125


Visca Barça!!
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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

I recall EVERYBODY being bashed for predicting this.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8862 times:


Sad to see the baby buses go. Will IB plan on another hub whether at HAV or anywhere else or are they just gonna go with the direct flights? I know the article states the use of direct flights, but really...how feasable are these operations if they can't fill the a/c?
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8844 times:

Will the Airbuses be based back in Spain? Any new IB short haul european routes?

User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8798 times:

Usher:

I dont recall bashing anyone....I do recall not jumping to conclusions until something formal was said....as you may recall....IB has been talking about closing the HUB for the last 5 or 6 years!

767-332ER:

Some of the destinations will be served with direct flights...as is the case with GUA-PTY and the others remain to be seen. I am quite suprised that SJO has not been mentioned to be served by a direct flight as I believe that is the destination with the most traffic. Could we possibly see IB codesharing with AA between MIA and Central America?? We'll have to wait and see!



Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8789 times:

I think they will fly to two cities something like:

MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD
MAD-SJO-PTY-MAD

Anyway, good news for Central American pax, now they will have a shorter link to MAD.

Could we possibly see IB codesharing with AA between MIA and Central America?? We'll have to wait and see!

I don't think so, the main reason for closing the Hub I think it is because travellers want to avoid the stop at MIA beacuse of all the security measures
taken by US authorities; that agreement would not be profitable for either carrier.

Juan
SKBO

[Edited 2004-07-02 19:45:05]

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

I don't recall anyone being "bashed" for predicting that IB would close its micro-hub at MIA; rather, they were "bashed" for outlandish predictions of hubs at PTY, SJO, CUN, HAV, SDQ, etc. The basic gist was that even with the new U.S. transit requirements, no other airport in the region was better-suited to be a hub from a traffic and geographical standpoint. And as it turns out, we were all correct -- IB will abandon its MIA micro-hub and they won't establish another in the region.

Actually, I can see IB happily transferring passengers to AA flights at MIA if they're willing to pay the fares and get a transit visa where required. Correct me if I'm wrong, but passengers from visa waiver countries are exempted still.


User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

IB, it was just a general statement.
And it was pretty obvious that this would happen sooner or later.
Especially after the US tightening their borders even more.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

That really suxs. Oh well. Do you think IB will still have two Dailys to MIA now or just one from MAD.  Sad This is horrible news for MIA. Its easy it is the Goverments of US and the Airport Mananger fault. I really dont think she is doing any good in MIA. Hey we still got AF ERJ and A319's Knock on wood. Sad to see them go but who knows maybe not having the hub wont work out with them. Well its okay.

[Edited 2004-07-02 20:23:29]


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8594 times:

in addition , the reservation center that is located in Miami will pass to a contrator , IB's reservation center is closing next month or so....
well... I don't think it is bad at all...the are adding non-stop to central america....



I love you barranquilla!!!!!
User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8575 times:

Scottb,

You are correct, citizens of nations under the Visa Waiver Program do not need visa to transit in the US. HOWEVER, they will be subject to the fingerprinting and photo requirements under the US VISIT program starting in September. US VISIT had previously only been a requirement for nationals outside of the Visa Waiver Program.

NONETHELESS, the transit passengers still must clear immigration/customs in Miami; there is no 'transnational' transit option as it exists in so many other hub airports.

IN ADDITION, while Spanish subjects (citizens) are included in the Visa Waiver Program, the majority of the IB passengers connecting in MIA to points in Central America are NOT Spanish subjects or citizens of other nations included in the Visa Waiver Program. The majority of these passengers are Costa Rican, Honduran, Guatemalan, etc., etc., etc... The VWP does not appy to them...

SOOOOOO... one can see why the decision was made to shut down MIA


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8549 times:

Although I will miss seeing the IB 319's....I am glad IB will stop b_tching already and just move like they have been planning already for what it seems an eternity!

Now let's see how they fill those A343's to Central America..heheheh

ciao chicos!



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2561 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

I just went on Iberia's webpage to try to fathom out how they will serve the current mini-hub destinations, but had no joy. As an example, they are still selling tickets for SJO through MIA for December.
The statement says that destinations will be served by "associate" airlines. AA Should have a big role, but are there others? Perhaps a Mexican one, or Copa now that IB will fly direct to PTY?
Interesting!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

And the War on Tourism continues....

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

HAV, SJU or CUN make the most sense as replacements.

And the War on Tourism continues....

Exactly. Not to mention US airline and airport jobs. AC recently commenced YYZ-BOG/CCS in part to deliberately capitalize on South Americans wanting to transit to Europe in a hassle free way not thru the US.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8443 times:

Can we bring them back with IB hub again in the future? What are you think about IB will close with MIA hub in end of October?

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

I don't think so, the main reason for closing the Hub I think it is because travelers want to avoid the stop at MIA because of all the security measures taken by US authorities

Not only the strict security measures at US airports scared IB, but also the fact that many people from Middle- and South American countries complained because they need a transit visa when they are transfer in MIA nowadays (this was not necessary in the past). To get such a visa, these people have to waste a lot of time in the American embassy of their home country, and they have to pay a lot of money for it (even when they have this visa, it is not for sure that they are allowed to transfer in MIA, the last decision takes the immigration officer, he can also send them back to their home country, then they paid the visa and the flight but will end up where they come from!). So why should IB require from it's passengers to face this hassle when it is going much easier for both, passenger and airline, without the transfer in MIA?

I am sure that IB's decision is only the beginning, many travelers are scared by the new immigration procedure of the US authorities (for example: fingerprinting, taking photos of everyone, requirement to own a computer readable passport, request of personal data like information about past flights, credit card number, etc.), I predict that the number of tourists and transfer passengers will decrease rapidly in the future.

Isn't RG not thinking about to route their GRU-LAX-NRT flight via another city outside the USA? Any news about that?

Patrick


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Ok people...read the heading of the POST...MIA IB HUB TO CLOSE..end of story. Their have been millions of threads...as to why..why not..the pro's and con's...of the IB MIA HUB.

Sad to see the 319's go..their a part of the MIA landscape...but glad to finally hear an end to IB's constant bickering...hopefully everything will work out for everyone.





Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Sabena332,

I am not sure about RG will able service their LAX-NRT continues and will good with service on their routes. If some of those passengers must go to the international transit for the next flight out of their country.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6762 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

"the War on Tourism continues"

Uhhhhh, how exactly do transit passengers through MIA (who won't be STAYING at MIA) increase U.S. Tourism? If they were going to be tourists in Miami, they'd have to obtain a visa anyway.

The problem is that international transit passengers can slip through holes in the system and potentially compromise security at an airport like MIA. We know that Spain has had actions by fundamentalist Islamic terrorists. Let's say for the sake of argument that they manage to slip through security somehow at MAD, since it's clear that most airport security has its weaknesses, especially in the U.S. Terrorists "transiting MIA without a visa" get on an IB 744 or A346, somehow take control of the aircraft, and crash it into a high-rise hotel or condo in Miami. Or they transit and take control of one of the A319's headed to Central America. Or they manage to get a bomb on board the aircraft and blow it up on the ground in MIA. Eliminating TWOV doesn't eliminate security problems, but it does eliminate a glaring hole.


User currently offlineMark777300 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

it's sad to see IB's MIA hub go, it was nice to see the A319's flying out of MIA, it adds variety. I wonder what this will mean for IB's second flight to MAD? Will they continue using two flights daily or will they revert back to one flight a day?

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8298 times:

Exactly. Not to mention US airline and airport jobs. AC recently commenced YYZ-BOG/CCS in part to deliberately capitalize on South Americans wanting to transit to Europe in a hassle free way not thru the US.

In fact, I know quite a few Bahamians travelling to Europe or Europeans travelling to The Bahamas who spend a night in Canada or London just to avoid transit through the U.S., particularly MIA.

Uhhhhh, how exactly do transit passengers through MIA (who won't be STAYING at MIA) increase U.S. Tourism?

Well, when visitors still felt welcome in MIA, they may in fact have spent a day or more in the country, spending tourist dollars, before continuing to their final destinations. I don't know if this was the case with many IB pax, but it certainly was the case with many people going to The Bahamas and other Caribbean destinations. While many still do this, a considerable number just can't be bothered any longer.



I'm an aviation expert. I have Sky Juice for breakfast.
User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

the word of the day is : DRAMATIC

People get over it already...911 UNFORTUNATELY SCREWED EVERYTHING UP.
So given that...security is going to be a pain in the ass in some places and in others not. People need to deal w/ it and get over it...life is not simple...sometimes you need to put up w/ "unpleasant" situtations. But that should not be a determining factor for all your flying needs...



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8195 times:

Its a shame that this has happened, IB's mini-hub operation in MIA was one that worked very well for them and before the visa uproar was a very practical way to connect Central American cities with Madrid. It will be difficult for cities like Panama City and SanJose, CR to support daily services to Madrid (even if the destinations are combined) and A319s were much easier to fill up than the A340s that will replace them. Some central american cities will lose daily service and some may lose service altogether as a result of this decision. Its bad news for MIA, the central american destinations and Iberia.

When the US changed its visa rules for transit passengers, most of us thought it would be a temporary measure......the rules were changed since there was some type of intellegence information that indicated that terrorists would attempt to enter the US through transit situations. The concern was real, but I personally thought that special secure transit lounges would be built and developed in key airports such as MIA, LAX, IAH and JFK which handle many pax that are simply transiting the US. Most European airports have sterile transit areas that work without problems and similiar transit areas could be intergrated into the US airports, but this has not been the case. It seems that the strict transit rules are here to stay, and its unfortunate.

After the events of 9/11, its understandable that the US is doing whatever it can to protect itself......but I think that there are more practical ways to handle this particular issue. MIA is an extremely important hub for all of Latin America and IAH was trying to become the same (I guess CO's plans for an IAH-MAD flight will also continue to be put on hold) and travel options for the people of Latin America (as well as those in MIA) and being limited by the regulations. Very sad indeed.


User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1115 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

o.k., simple question, but very, very, very far-fetched suggestion...

Can the A319LR make MAD-PTY, MAD-SJO, MAD-GUA or MAD-SAL?

I am fully aware IB has a rather firm policy to SHUN 2-engine aircraft on trans-Atlantic runs so I am sure this would never, ever happen, but... one can speculate...


25 Scottb : "Well, when visitors still felt welcome in MIA, they may in fact have spent a day or more in the country, spending tourist dollars, before continuing
26 Post contains images Northwest717 : Wow, this is too unfortunate, I liked seeing those baby-busses down at MIA! -Tim
27 Cayman : Well, it's not really that simple--- For example---in Venezuela right now--the US embassy is so booked that if you need an appointment to apply for a
28 Thrust : Should we expect AA to expand their MIA hub now that IB is pulling out?
29 Flymunich : Varig plans to fly GRU-ZRH-NRT or GRU-MUC-NRT. Further plans Varig flying 3/7 with B777-200 GRU-MUC-SEL from Dec. 04.
30 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I am fully aware IB has a rather firm policy to SHUN 2-engine aircraft on trans-Atlantic runs so I am sure this would never, ever happen ...too bad Ib
31 MIASkies : hahahaha very true! good one Concordeboy...they use to operate DC1030's to MIA, SJU and I think even some Central Amer cities. Also w/ 763 service.
32 BoeingBus : Whatever it takes to make their customers happy. Personally, I wouldn't want to fly to Miami and go through the strict security - so why should we exp
33 Ghost77 : HI, From what I've heard at Mexicana is that IB is also planning opening flights MAD-CUN or MAD-SJO. In case they open CUN new routes such as CUN-SJO,
34 Pdpsol : ConcordeBoy, Yes, we know IB flew the 763 a few years ago, but... those aircraft were leased (wet-leased and operated by a third-party, I believe) and
35 Jetset : Does this mean the once a month topic .. IBERIA A319'S IN MIA WHY ? are going to stop ! rgds/jetset
36 Anthsaun : I second Ghost77 A while ago we were discussing IB moving from MIA to CUN. CUN is still trying to get IB attention not just for MAD flights, but to of
37 Post contains images Miamix707 : it's sad to see IB's MIA hub go, it was nice to see the A319's flying out of MIA, it adds variety. I wonder what this will mean for IB's second flight
38 Corpsnerd09 : Wow! I can't believe it finally came true. I remember last August the 5 hour line suffered by passengers (including IB pax) transitting through MIA. I
39 Francoflier : For a time now, there has been a rumor down here in Honduras that IB was to close its hub in MIA, and was planning to open a new one for Central-Ameri
40 Phxinterrupted : This is no great loss. IB's product was nothing special and their service was average at best. Other airlines will pick up the slack. Christ.
41 Miamix707 : airports are like war zones, nowadays some airports are just full of patrol cars everywhere. I dont know if that makes people feel more secure or inti
42 JMISLANDMAN : One door closes another one opens for Air Madrid, I can forsee further Latin American expansion within the next 5 months. Not to stray from the topic
43 Adriaticus : A few weeks ago, I met with a senior ASUR officer (owners of CUN). At some point, he slipped the comment he had just finished an all-morning meeting w
44 Alpere1 : In IBERIA 's website in Spain there's a news release about this topic, sorry I've not time to translate it into english, but in short it says IBERIA
45 Summa767 : Iberia has given further information on its website: *Number of flights to MIA will be reduced to 1 a day *Current mini-hub destinations will be serve
46 GoAround : "Iberia crea dos nuevos centros de distribución de tráfico en América Central Supone un importante cambio en la estrategia de América Central Iber
47 Richardw : What will they do with their A319s? Will they base them back to Spain?
48 GoAround : Richardw, the impression the news release gives is that they will be based in Panama and Guatemala to operate onward flights from there to the five ot
49 Laxintl : I believe besides GUA and PTY, Iberia will stop serving the additional central Amerian cities on their own and will as stated instead rely on "Associa
50 Aer : Does this mean the once a month topic .. IBERIA A319'S IN MIA WHY ? are going to stop ! Yeah I'll miss those. But I thought that they would keep the f
51 MAH4546 : Richardw, the impression the news release gives is that they will be based in Panama and Guatemala to operate onward flights from there to the five ot
52 Planenutz : I thinnk that this presents the perfect oppotunity for Grupo TACA to lease an A330 and begin nonstop flights to MAD.from its hub at San Salvador or Sa
53 TACAA320 : "This is no great loss. IB's product was nothing special and their service was average at best. Other airlines will pick up the slack. Christ." Phxint
54 Chepos : TacaA320 that's odd I've heard Iberia's long haul product is nothing to rave about, intra European flights Ive heard have decent service. I have a fri
55 TACAA320 : Chepos What I said is based on my personal experience. What you said is based on others opinion. With all due respect, I'll never take what people say
56 Post contains links and images Airliner777 : I'm saddened to see Iberia leave their small operations from MIA, but I understand their reasons why. They will be moving their hub to Cancun (CUN). T
57 Ghost77 : They will be moving their hub to Cancun (CUN). Therefore, about 54 employees will lose their jobs at Miami (MIA). Airliner777 - Could you please tell
58 Gigneil : The bottom line is every other Western country manages to pull off hassle free transit arrangements with absolutely no risk to their security whatsoev
59 Post contains images Miamix707 : as much as they take all these stupid measures, I personally think security still sucks. It might be a little more difficult than before, but hey if b
60 Ghost77 : I'm saddened to see Iberia leave their small operations from MIA, but I understand their reasons why. They will be moving their hub to Cancun (CUN). A
61 Bartond : So what's the deal here - is AA going to scoop up all of those MIA-Central America flights that IB used to operate? Seems like if IB is going to opera
62 MAH4546 : So what's the deal here - is AA going to scoop up all of those MIA-Central America flights that IB used to operate? AA may pick up frequencies, but th
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