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AirAsia To Fly To Australia Via Indonesia?  
User currently offlineSyarif From Malaysia, joined Jul 2004, 29 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Read a report on the New Straits Times (of Malaysia) saying that AirAsia is planning to fly to 'an English-speaking nation' from Jakarta or Yogjakarta, with the probability of making Jakarta as its newest hub. Considering AirAsia only B737-300 fleet and making Jakarta as it origin of flight (or transit from Kuala Lumpur), it only makes sense that they will fly to Australia in the near future. Maybe to Perth first since its the safest destination considering the very large number of Indonesian and Malaysian residing and studying there. If it is realise it will be great news and can't wait to see how much it will be priced. The only drawback is thinking of the 6 hours plus flight without meals or inflight entertainment!

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User currently offlineAirbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Welcome aboard A.net Syarif. Nice to see fellow Malaysians here.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

What is so unsafe about the rest of Australia? Hahaha.... Jangan marah eh? Main x 2 aje...

Well, there is certainly a large proportion of Asian people in Perth that walking down the city feels no different from Orchard Rd in Singapore. However, Perth is also one of the destinations Valuair is looking at to expand its operations.

What is the range of the 737-300s? Can they reach as far as Perth, Melbourne and Sydney from Yokjak and JKT? I know they can surely fly to Darwin and Cairns...



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Range wise, there'll be no problem whatsoever for a Jakarta-Perth flight. I see great potential here. Jakarta-Perth is very viable, Jogja-Perth has never been tried as the airport has only recently gained international status. Bali-Perth, although not mentioned, is a well-established market for Garuda, Qantas and Air Paradise, and I'm sure that Air Asia could get a large piece of that cake, which is not unthinkable given their imminent entry into the Bali market.



User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3035 times:


"Well, there is certainly a large proportion of Asian people in Perth that walking down the city feels no different from Orchard Rd in Singapore"

Without being racist my bus from the City back home is about 3/4 full of Asians. So I'm sure people from other countries should feel safe in Sydney


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2965 times:

The only problem with Air Asia's big plans is that the protectionist Indonesian Government is likely to think twice before allowing a foreign carrier to set up an operation like that. Remember what happened to Valuair? And that was only about a daily Jakarta-Singapore round-trip.

The Indonesian Government is likely to try an protect some of the local players, not so much state-owned Garuda Indonesia, but rather Lion Air, an Indonesian LCC with its own big expansion plans. Rumor has it that some influential government figures have sizeable financial interests in that airline.



User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2948 times:


"Well, there is certainly a large proportion of Asian people in Perth that walking down the city feels no different from Orchard Rd in Singapore"

Without being racist my bus from the City back home is about 3/4 full of Asians. So I'm sure people from other countries should feel safe in Sydney



Totally true, considering I spent the last 4 yrs of my life in Perth as an overseas student  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

The only problem with Air Asia's big plans is that the protectionist Indonesian Government is likely to think twice before allowing a foreign carrier to set up an operation like that. Remember what happened to Valuair? And that was only about a daily Jakarta-Singapore round-trip.

What ever happened to Valuair's flights to Jakarta is still a mystery to me. The fact that the "administration problems" only surfaced hours before the inaugural flights was due to depart smells fishy to me. So what happened? Any clues?

Why would anyone want to protect Lion Air? If u ask me, I think they would rather protect Garuda because it is 100% govt owned. The deregulation of the Indonesian aviation scene has forced GA to re-think it's strategies because they no longer have the monopoly of the domestic market. So in a way, it is a good thing.

Plus, Lion Air to me is a second rate airline flying only 16 2nd hand MD82s to so many areas of Indonesia. These planes run such a tight schedule that once it is delayed, it will cascade to the rest of the flights. Talk about spare replacement planes? Ha... what a joke.

Thus, Garuda would be a better bet to protect because their foundations are sound. Another plus point, they also maintain their planes better. On a whole, Garuda and Merpati seems to be the more stable players in the market.

Well, lets see what happens...



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

As I said before, these protectionist measures are not intended to protect Garuda. Rather, Lion Air is the current darling of the Indonesian Government, with some senior officials having a hand in that company. Now, Lion Air happens to have just about the same expansion plans as Air Asia, so I wouldn't expect the Indonesian Government to be overly enthusiastic about Air Asia's Indonesian plans.

You are very right, however, that Lion Air is very much a second class airline. They currenly operate a fleet of 23 MD82s and 2 or so B734s. They have agressive expansion plans, but the company is very poorly managed and they have plenty of 'issues'. Be that as it may, government backing will buy you anything in Indonesia, so one can expect to hear much more of this company in the future.



User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

One thing, I doubt Air Asia has the fifth freedom right to serve this route, only QF and TG have it.

Regarding the Indonesia government protecting either Lion or Garuda, no one knows for sure. Rumours have it that Lion has "close relations" with some government officials, but Indonesia is currently in the process of electing a new government, and based on the results up to this moment, the present government will need a miracle to stay in power.. so it's still anyone's game...

Furthermore, Garuda has been fighting back ever since Lion started its massive expansion, and from the looks of it, Garuda is winning....

As for Valuair right to fly to Jakarta, it's not the government protectionism in action. If this was really the case, VF won't fly CGK until now. I would simply put it as "incomplete business transactions". (for those who has experienced dealing with Indonesian officials should know what I mean..)


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6898 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

The stories revolving around Lion are bordering on the unbelievable, however, knowing how Lion conducts business, it's pretty convincingly bad! Personally, I think ethics (towards their crew and passengers) would make people's complaints about Ryanair (the airline, not the person Big grin ) sound like kid's play.

Garuda is fighting back with Citilink, which is pretty successful. Lion seems to now have cashflow problems. While Lion seems to be the domestic airline darling for the government, Air Asia is the darling of the foreign airlines for our government at the moment. So it's pretty equal footing. Lion's CEO have openly invited Air Asia for a "challenge" in the domestic market while other airlines are screaming for protection. However, I'm pretty sure that Lion's taunt is just bluff.

If you read the newspapers here, the stuff that comes out of Lion's CEO's and the PR's mouth makes you think 20 times about their believability (yet still fail to believe them after another 20x)

With all this competition, only Garuda and Air Asia has come up with innovative ideas. Lion hasn't brought in anything new, it is just a normal airline that squeezes it's cost to it's own suffication. With leasing companies now becoming more critical of Lion, I'm not surprised that while publicly taunting for competition, behind the scenes they're crying begging for protection.

I beleive that Air Asia will be THE foreign airline of Indonesia. However, JOG-PER seems a bit fat fetched... runway length in JOG would make it a bit hairy for a (near) MTOW take off...

On an off note... Lion's MD82 slewed off Palembang last saturday. Lion's PR announced that the aircraft was pulled out of the mud by midnight. By Sunday morning, newspapers reported that it was still stuck. If I remember correctly, Lion still tried to convince people that it was out of the mud. Sunday evening a friend arrived in Palembang and called me saying it's still stuck... what next? Lion will blame the airport? LOL

Mandala499

[Edited 2004-07-07 21:21:12]


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Guys... u all know my personal experiences with Lion wasn't all that great. They seem like a parasite mimicking Garuda's timetable. Just go to CGK, if a GA flight is arriving from Makassar, chances are, the Lion's flight from the same city is not that far away.

Now they have even started a CGK-SIN-SGN flight! Surprise, surprise! GA flies the same route.

Sigh... I pity Myanmar's decision to lease that dirty looking hybrid MD82. The least Lion could do was to hand over a plane in full Lion colours!

Wait a minute... this thread is about Air Asia.

In many sense, the work ethics of AK seems miles better than that of Lion. However, I still cannot comprehend how the hell can they slash their prices so low for a flight? Their recent fares from Johor Bahru to KL goes something like RM9.99. That is less that S$5! US$2.40!



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User currently offlineGaruda From Indonesia, joined Nov 2000, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Ryanair!!

A bit out of topic, but Lion did start CGK-SIN-SGN before Garuda did.. but Garuda did announce that they will fly the route before Lion's announcement..


User currently offlineTsentsan From Singapore, joined Jan 2002, 2016 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Ryanair,

Lets assume the following for JB-KL.
Assume the 737 seats 120 pax.

RM9.99 tickets = 10
RM19.99 tickets = 20
RM39.99 tickets = 25
RM45.99 tickets = 30
RM65.99 tickets = 35

How often, when you price a JB-KL ticket, can you get RM9.99?

Anyway, AK's overheads are also low. Firstly, their 737s are one of the older bunch of 737s, but all have just come out of D checks, and are supposedly ... better maintained.

Secondly, they pay their crew peanuts. FOs get what, RM2000 per month. AK only requires a frozen ATPL to join as an FO. I'm sure cabin crew get even less than that.

So, thats where and how AK can offer low fares... A very different business model from VF.



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