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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

When did KLM and Astraeus move to T2 at MAN and what was the reasons for this?
Also, when do Aer Arran move to T1 (Or is it T3)?
Any other changes taking place?


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User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1966 times:
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The KLM move to T2 at the start of the summer was to allign them with Skyteam - Air France/Delta/CSA were already present there. Alitalia have since joined them at T2.

Most terminal changes at MAN involving scheduled carriers in the last few years have been alliance-related, as carriers join/leave alliances.

I would think Astraeus were moved to even out some demand/capacity inbalance between T1/T2.

Aer Arran's presence in T2 was not ideal, most of their operations were from remote stands involving coaching passengers out to the aircraft as T2 is not designed for regional operations, T1 will at least allow pier operation most of the time.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Thanks Crosswind. I had a feeling the KL move was due to the alliance with AF, but wasnt too sure. The AEU move surprised me.


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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1926 times:

When EK was loaded back into T1 from T3, something had to drop out. As KLM is now part of AF this was the first logical move. Astraeus and the likes get told where to go.

User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

AEU moved at the start of the Summer season. T1 has an antiquated baggage handling system, and we were picking up so many delays because of bags late to the aircraft. We moved to T2 to pick up better operational performance, and to improve our passenger's experience, as T2 is much newer. The few times I operated from MAN last year, T1, even though it has been renovated is an absolute rabbit's warren!

User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

T1 is the typical Heathrow style terminal. It's been added to and rebuilt since the 1960s, when the MyTravel checkins on Tower Road were the original desks for the whole airport.

That then became domestic baggage reclaim, and eventually Airtours/MYT check in area.

That's just one bit of T1, but you can see how it's evolved just like Heathrow's older terminals.

Plans are in existence for a T4 eventually, and British Airways want to pull down the Airport Hotel so that T3 can have extra gates.

Over my dead body  Wink/being sarcastic and a lot more people too!

Emirates are also supposedly grumbling about T1, and are a possible new tenant for T2.


User currently onlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1830 times:
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Emirates are also supposedly grumbling about T1, and are a possible new tenant for T2

...where they were an original tenant when it opened, before they moved out in, I think, 1999 to go over to T3 with British Airways!

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

There were allegations of racism over some incident connected with the T3 to T1 move. Now it's lounge quality or something, plus the T1 crush for the checkins.

The EK/BA relationship does appear to have become somewhat frosty.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1799 times:
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Didn't Aer Arran go from T2 to T1 when they began their MAN-LDY service?

As T2 is the only terminal expected to have A380s and EK may use them to MAN, I would anticipate them moving by October 2006 at the latest; however, I'm sure that their 773s have only got a couple of "favoured" gates at T1 so if they decide to increase capacity before a 3rd daily they may transfer earlier than that.

David


User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Isn't the BA codeshare on the lunchtime EK flight from MAN ending anyway? I've never really understood why BA have a code on that one flight anyway.

Mark



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

"I'm sure that their 773s have only got a couple of "favoured" gates at T1"

Gate 22 being one of them?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1754 times:
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I believe gate 31 is the preferred location with 29 being the other i.e. end of Pier C where there's a bit more room for aircraft to taxi past them.

David


User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Aaah, ok. Seen an EK 330 at the gate next to 22 (24?) on Monday night.


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User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Plans are in existence for a T4 eventually, and British Airways want to pull down the Airport Hotel so that T3 can have extra gates.

I'm not too sure if they will extend it that far, but it would definately take up all of Alpha Flight Services land when we finally move over to behind the cargo centre with the other Alpha building.

And with reference to gates for 773's I believe 27 would be the first choice, as beacause of the angle it allows very long aircraft. Also maybe on 31/32 but I'm not too sure.

As for T2 747's barely fit without sticking into the road. We really do need a T4 building, I'm sure the airlines are starting to get annoyed hanging around for 20mins when they land at rush hour (6-9am) just for a gate to become free. Just last week there was a queue of 6 aircraft holding from taxiway D to A1. BMI A330, 2 x MYT A330, PIA 743, KLM F100 and a Monach A300.


Jamo


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

I don't think it's BA that want the Airport Hotel closed down, it's the airport themselves.

The Airport Hotel is a pain in the rear for the airport. This time of year the road gets clogged with too many people trying to get into the pub car park, and when they can't they just park on the side of the road.
This impacts emergency access and forces the police to make someone available to patrol the road writing tickets.
Also the bouncy castles etc. in the beer garden cause visual problems for aircraft at the holding point, plus you have the odd idiot who kicks a ball over the fence and then climbs over to retrieve it.

Oh how I miss the Airport Hotel  Wink/being sarcastic)


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

As for T2 747's barely fit without sticking into the road.

The original T2 design catered for the 747s with the remote pier and tunnel. That got washed out with cost cutting.

I don't think it's BA that want the Airport Hotel closed down, it's the airport themselves.


With BA pulling their strings.

The OAH is, however, apparently a listed building, and there would be some heavy duty opposition from people on the Woodhouse Park estate who use the pub. That's why it sticks out like a proverbial sore thumb on the airport layout. It's not going to be easy to remove.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1618 times:
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Does anyone know how soon the T3 + T2 extensions will be opened? Believe T3 has had more gates created for double parking and that they'll make the South Bay area more like a gate than at present - the curse of BA ramping up operations rapidly!


Found a "cryptic" note in one of my notebooks from April last year: "Didn't know about 777-300 restrictions in place until yesterday (and blow me if I've forgotten it already! Think EK pilot said 29/31 preferred but 27/32 also acceptable but nothing else will do)". Hope to get a definitive answer

David


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2894 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

WRT the Airport Hotel, it is indeed a listed building of "significant historical value." Owned by Robinson's Brewery, it's the most profitable managed house in their portfolio of over 650 pubs.

Not sure a bouncy castle could ever obstruct the view up final app. for 24R from the hold, but it does remind me of an amusing tale from only a few years ago one warm summer's weekend when the aforementioned bouncy castle was being inflated for the day ahead, a Transat (TSC) L1011 approaching JA was asked to take an immediate T/O due to landing 757 at 5 miles. The Transat crew duly accepted the offer, took the 180 degree turn on to 24R at an obscene rate of knots, spooled up in the turn...... and duly blew the bouncy castle right out of the pub garden!

The only news I've heard discussed, and normally in smoky bars recently, is that the plan to extend T2 is still the most urgent on the agenda, extending southwards at a right angle to the far western end, removing the staff car park in the process. WRT the parallel taxiway extension for 24L, there are still serious issues about land stability (i.e., you can't lay concrete on bog land), and the costs involved in filling in are prohibitive. However, studies are still in progress. T4 is the most contentious issue, as it once again has come down to the fact that either the NEA apron and ETB will have to go, OR they will have to encroach further into Cheshire and build any T4 to the south of 24L. Politics and money, rather than the best logistics solution will win the day, I have no doubt.

Regards

Shamu



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User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

removing the staff car park in the process

Please dont say the new staff car park will be further away, I'm already sick of having to allow 30 mins to get from Staff West to T3.

But extending T2 or making a T4 desperately needs to be done, but as you say there isnt a lot of room left. Well unless you move the M56, the cargo center, or all the stuff south of 24L.


Jamo


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