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Another BW Aircraft Hit.  
User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I know some guys say this happens all the time in the US, but for an airline with 9 jets, two just cannot be down for the same thing in a month. This is ridiculous.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=28941632


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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

This is rididculous. Just as BWIA seems to be getting back on their feet something like this happens stupse. Was it TJN or JIL that got hit???


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User currently offlineAUAE From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

Dock the drivers pay for the repair cost. That ought to get them thinking a little more on the ramp.



Air transport is just a glorified bus operation. -Michael O'Leary, Ryanair's chief executive
User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Same issue of the Trin. Express says `death penalty a must'.
I agree. For doltish truck drivers. Angry



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Voodoo

Yuh know!!!!



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

According to someone on the CaribALPA site, its -TGN (the green 340) thats been hit.  Sad

Relatedly BW is wet -leasing a Falcon Air 727 as a sub for a 738.



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User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

"According to someone on the CaribALPA site, its -TGN (the green 340) thats been hit."

Correction: 9Y-TJN.

TGN is the retired L10 that's (supposedly) going to be on display at the aviation museum... or whatever the hell it's being called.

If I seem annoyed it's because I am. This is asinine. I've been told a DASH-8 was damaged last month. So, four damaged aircraft in just over a month. I won't even bother to include the DASH-8 I heard about last year.
When you're dealing with a Caribbean island and such a small fleet, you simply cannot afford to have jackasses running into your airplanes every couple of weeks. The sooner BWIA and the officials at POS realize this, the sooner the T&T aviation industry can get back on track. However, I suspect the problem exists way beyond the airport. The nation, as a whole, need to get it's act together.


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Sounds like sabotage to me. 4 aircraft strikes in one month for such a relatively small airport sounds a little suspicous to me. I dont car if it is an every day occurance in the USA.

Why it is they dont stop hitting the blasted planes.



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User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Bwia772,

I agree with you about the sabotage. But why?

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Tasha to me it sounds like sabotage but I do not know why.

Here is a long shot  Acting devilish  Acting devilish  Acting devilish  Acting devilish some one must hhave worked some obeah on the drivers or something. 2) this is a way of getting out of the lease for TJN so they can get another A340 with better cabin ammenities LOL how ridiculous would that be !!!!!

Anyway this is really sad hey does any one know if the 727 being leased by BWIA is going to be restricted to a particular route???



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User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Sabotage or just plain incompetence. They probably hire cheap people who can't drive or read, and most certainly Servisair doesn't spend a dollar training their employees there!

User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 783 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I don't think its sabotage. theres just a bunch of incompetent workers driving those trucks.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Is this the same Servisair as in the UK?

If so then nothing surprises me!

Anyone remember the incident at MAN when a driver rammed into the Israeli AF B707, with the sleeping Israeli PM onboard? He was lucky he wasn't shot!


User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

I...I'm totally shocked!  Wow!

I don't like jumping to conclusions, but this is too ridiculous. Something is seriously wrong for this to happen in such a short space of time. I have a few questions:

1. How is the workforce of BWIA these days in terms of company morale?
2. Do the workers of the ground handling company at POS take their job seriously?
3. Is POS still labeled a Category 2 by the ICAO? If so, this will seriously hamper it's chances of regaining Category 1 status.

I'd like to rule out sabotage targeting BWIA since I understand that it's not only BWIA airplanes involved. I am deeply saddened not only because it's an A340 (causing the airline to scramble for another replacement aircraft), but also because it's the full-colored scheme aircraft. How long will this one be out?

Neil



God did not create aircraft pilots to be on the ground
User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Hopefully the damage is minor and the driver of the truck is beaten with a wet noodle!!!

Tasha


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Tasha that is one thing that they dont do. The 737 that was hit received extensive damage. BWIA really cant afford this now. Seeing that it is in summer a busy season for them. Like now you have Crop Over in Barbados which would lead to most flights to Barbados being full.


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User currently offlineLimaFoxTango From Antigua and Barbuda, joined Jun 2004, 783 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Reports indicate that the damaged 737 is now back in the skies. That should ease the sqeeze a bit somewhat coming into the summer season.


You are said to be a good pilot when your take-off's equal your landings.
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

"Reports indicate that the damaged 737 is now back in the skies."

Ironically, the incident with 9Y-TJN occurred on the very day that engine tests were being conducted on 9Y-GEO. It's becoming like a revolving door with those guys. One goes out; One comes in... Bloody amazing.

BWIA is still CAT2. With stuff like this happening, I don't see them regaining CAT1 status any time soon.


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Any word on how long the A340 might be out of service, and what aircraft will they use to replace it for the time being? Perhaps an Air Luxor L1011?


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

This morning's BW990 from Manchester has been cancelled  Sad

Seems like that airline is really having a bad year.

[Edited 2004-07-09 07:42:21]

User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

I was right US$ 1.2 to fix the airbus and it could be out of service for a month right in the middle of the summer season.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/index.pl/article_news?id=29099375



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

BigOrange wrote:
Anyone remember the incident at MAN when a driver rammed into the Israeli AF B707, with the sleeping Israeli PM onboard? He was lucky he wasn't shot!

Speaking of MAN I think I recall a Crossair pilot getting fatally run over by another eejit.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Yes Voodoo, I remember that now.

IIRC that was also a Servisair driver!


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

If I were BW, I'd sue ServisAir. Make them responsible for every dime that BW loses as a result of this negligence. It doesn't matter that it was individuals who did it. The aircraft are out of service, and it's clearly ServisAir's fault.

ServisAir should pay for any damage to the aircraft and any lost revenue as a result out-of-service aircraft.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1724 times:

After doing a bit of research, I found out ServisAir is a huge international ground handling company, with offices worldwide, including operations in the United States. I believe it'll be highly likely that ServisAir will pay for the damages.

I wonder what aircraft and airline BWIA will look to for temporary leasing for their operations:

LOT - Polish 767?

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Air Plus Comet Airbus A310 or Boeing 747?

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World Airways DC-10/MD-11?

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Euro Atlantic Airways? (wouldn't we love to have the L-1011 back!)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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Maybe even Aer Lingus (same color  Laugh out loud, and BWIA flies to Dublin anyway)

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Or how about United Airlines? BWIA does have a code-share partnership with them in the United States, and there are lots of UAL 777's and 747's available in the desert for use.

What say you?

Neil



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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (10 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

425
They nay we just have to wait and see.

The would not go back to the L1011 as the leasing agreement was ended due to peristant customer omcpaints about the cleanlyness of the Euro Atlantic interior. There was an article about it in the guardian.

BWIA does not fly directly to dublin. Passengers from Dublin connect via BMI on the Manchester flight.

BTW i read on http://www.caribbeanalpa.com/discussion/ that BWIA has gotten a new uniform can anyone tell me if this is true??



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