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More 717 Orders Coming? Cebu Pacific  
User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

I think we were talking about Cebu's need to replace its fleet here a few weeks ago.

But I have not seen anything on it in the last few weeks.

Any news?

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User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Cebu has apparently gone with A319s

Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineCwapilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1166 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

See the "Cebu has Chosen Its Aircraft" thread.

Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!
User currently offlineAGrayson514 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

There is nothing official in that thread though...

Give a little bit...
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Has there been any official announcement from anyone that Cebu did in fact order the A319?

There is also the issue of financing to think about, does Cebu have the resources to finance/lease a fleet of new aircraft, regardless of whether those aircraft are A319s, 717s or something else? Are banks, financial markets and/or the leasing companies going to take a change with Cebu and brand new aircraft? Based upon history, the Phillippines is a difficult enviornment for air carriers, and the resources required to acquire new aircraft are quite different that picking up used airliners on the second-and market. Maybe Cebu has made a decision concerning the A319 and is now trying to figure out how to pay for the aircraft.

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Why would CEBU, or any airline for that matter replace DC9s with something other than the 717? That is my question.

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Maybe they´re tired of butt-engines, and 717 is not A319 Big grin

Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

I doubt that "butt-engines" have anything to do with their decision.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

I would think the best option for Cebu Pacific is to procure some used M80's which are a good complement to the D9S fleet.

Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5721 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

No, Solnabo, the 717 is not the 319. Which is EXACLTY why carriers would choose it. If they wanted an aircraft that did what the 319 does, they'd order the 319 (which they may have). But if they want an aircraft that is designed to make 11 trips a day, they'd order the 717. Because the 319 and 737 weren't designed for that.

I am still holding out for ATA.

User currently offlineAntares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Asia finance contacts have reported Cebu Air's Airbus decision.

There is an underlying strategic reason for this unrelated to the merits and demerits of aircraft types. It is all about having equipment which may be attractive to a takeover or merger party if the carrier participates in consolidation at some time in the future. Your leases or lease purchase arrangements are inherently more attractive in these situations if they are 737s or A320 family jets because these types have the range, size and characteristics more suited to a wider selection of routes than is the case with the range challenged 717.

For myself, I really like flying in 717s but range is a big issue here, and so is the economics of being able to absorb assets without creating a new engineering or flight standards sub set.

User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3200 times:


While you may be absolutely correct, that's a fairly short-sighted way to look at the future for Cebu. Company managers who manage to merge usually end up screwing the company over. Company managers who manage to try to make money mail sometimes fail, but they usually look more attractive for a merger, anyway.

The 717 range "issue" is not really an issue, either. It's a niche aircraft designed to do a few things and do them very, very well.

Think of it this way: If you're going hunting, you could bring a rifle, which is an excellent long-range (400-500 yards) weapon but is more cumbersome at short ranges. Or you could bring a bow and arrows, which are shorter ranged but can still kill a large animal at 200 yards and have excellent short-range characteristics.

In this metaphor, the 717 would be the bow and arrow: Not suitable for everyone, but for certain areas and in certain conditions, better than the rifle.

The real problem the 717 has had is scope: It's a mainline aircraft, and there are or soon will be aircraft that do the same job but at RJ payscales. And I don't believe that this is even that big of an issue, as I have discussed ad-nauseum in the past.


Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3207 times:

From Bloomberg dated July 5th

July 5 (Bloomberg) -- Cebu Air Inc., the second-largest
Philippine airline, said it will probably choose Airbus SAS
aircraft for its $350 million fleet renewal, the first time the
carrier is getting new planes since starting operations in 1996.
``We are in serious discussions with Airbus,'' said Danilo
Mojica, Cebu Air's Chief Operating Officer. ``We have to thrash
out some items first until we sign'' the agreement, and the
airline may make the announcement in two weeks, he said.

Airbus seems well positioned.

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