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US AIrways Pulls Out Of TOL Sooner  
User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

After telling the workers at the US Airways Express station in Toledo, OH that the last day of service is on September 7, 2004, they then tell us that at the end of the month July 31, 2004, Shuttle America will sever its ties with US Air.

I do want to thank all of the crews that came into the station that tried hard for US Air after June 1st. If you are on this site...thank you.

XJR


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

That's a shocker.

US' website does not yet reflect that change. I just did a mock-booking on their own website for a TOL itinerary in Aug.; the TOL leg is still listed as a US (Shuttle America) flight from PIT.

For itineraries after Sept. 7, US' website lists either AA (Eagle), CO Connection, or DL Connection (Comair) for connecting service to/from TOL.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5598 times:

I mean this news is like four hours old...our regional boss was just told this morning. It took the timetables and res systems about a week to reflect the change for the Sep. 7 date.

XJR



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

Those who have already booked their flights on US will be in for a rude awakening.


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Follow Up:

Toledo Express' website, at present, only has the web-link article (from The Blade) regarding US' pullout for Sept. 7.

Do you, by any chance, have a written source on the earlier pull-out?



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Unfortunately it's just hearsay from the employees at the station....look for the change in the Rez system on Sunday when the new schedule is loaded in. Personally, I hate to say this, but this is a good thing for TOL. Over the past 2 months Shuttle has really screwed the airport (worse then they have in the past). This is just *rumor*....but pretty credible...one of their crews were on reserve and decided to go out and get drunk the night before and didn't stop drinking till like 2am....6a flight couldn't go out until at least 10am, and that same crew overslept ...didn't show up until like noon. It's crap like that, which has gone on the past 2 months. Like junior manning a captian to fly a right seat leg and refusing to do it...cancelling the flight. Pulling a flight attendant off of the TOL - PIT leg and cabbing her to FWA to do a FWA - PIT leg. This has to be the joke of an operation I have ever seen. I feel really bad for the employees at the station because they put up with it all. I dunno if I would have been able to put up with it...well at least going down without a fight. Remind me to aviod anything that says "Shuttle America" they are a real class operation...and unfortunately TOL and FWA loses out.

Like I said, it's a good thing that Shuttle is leaving...but it sucks that US Airways as a whole is leaving....they screwed themselve in these 2 markets IMHO.

Ryan


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

funny, shuttle america does a great job on CRW's IAD route.

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Shuttle obviously cares little about the US Airways service, as everything is focused on UA right now. So natrually anything going through IAD is going to be top notch.

My thoughts go out to everyone at the US station here in town. If anyone needs help with employment, please contact me...I may be able to help a bit.


User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5187 times:

They are running a pretty poor operatioin for UA also.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

They are running a pretty poor operatioin for UA also.

Shuttle America isn't known for being very operationally-sound. I'm kind of glad they're leaving the USX banner.



R


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Shuttle America isn't known for being very operationally-sound. I'm kind of glad they're leaving the USX banner.

I'm absolutely thrilled. Good riddance.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

The reservation system now reflects the pull out on the 31st.

Ryan


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

You sure PSA won't take over or one of the other USAirways regional carriers? Toledo isn't that much smaller than Dayton and Dayton is a USAirways Express focus city. You think they could run a CRJ between TOL and PIT.

User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

however, dayton has the PSA corporate hdq in Dayton. It just seems that they want to get rid of our station...and it sucks! Well let our travelers go to another airline...and see the business that they lost. Besides, I am kind of glad that they are pulling out...I was seeing a gigantic headache coming about mid august...lol couldnt type that without laughing...it has been a gigatic headache since June 1.

I just wonder who will be the filler...

XJR



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 4671 times:

You think they could run a CRJ between TOL and PIT.

Actually, US DID offer ERJ service between TOL & PIT via Trans States just a few years ago.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2004 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4585 times:

"Actually, US DID offer ERJ service between TOL & PIT via Trans States just a few years ago"

And that's when they were the top airline at the airport. 4 Daily ERJs and 2 Saabs is when they boarded more then AirTran and Comair..... You figure it out....Shuttle America killed TOL's reputation for USAirways because they used to have a HUGE FF base here...now it's down to nothing...I still maintain that Shuttle America is the worst run airline alive...I have no hurt feelings losing the airline itself...but I do have hurt feelings losing the USAirways brand.

Ryan


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
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I remember years ago flying an Fokker 100 between TOL and PIT! It was shortly after the new PIT was opened for service, so that tells you how long ago that was.....


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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

The TOL-PIT market use to have a lot of lift on it in the past.

1996 they operated a 734, MD80, 73S, and M80. 1997 they operated a 727-200, F28, 73S, and D9S. The route eventually went to a handful of F-100s and a couple 328/DH8 flights. Before the mainline pull out they were at 2 F-100s and 4 turboprops.

Also a side note to this...they did continue the Piedmont mainline jets to DAY for a few years and eventually they went to J31s until they were phased out in the early 90s. They also operated flights to IND on an off. The last stint was done by Chautauqua using their Metros 5 times a day. The service was stopped when CHQ axed the IND operation.



User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1997 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

1996 they operated a 734, MD80, 73S, and M80. 1997 they operated a 727-200, F28, 73S, and D9S. The route eventually went to a handful of F-100s and a couple 328/DH8 flights.

And now nothing.

Now tell me, were the loads and yields so small in 1996, that the managers at USAirways just decided to operate four main line jets per day, IT / KPIT), USA - Pennsylvania">PIT-TOL, with a hand full of passengers? Of course not.

The above is a perfect example how a company shrinks its way into extinction. Regional Jets are profitable? Says who? Everything I have read says they cost between 10.5 and 11.5 cents per seat mile to operate. And the airlines that are making money are running with a cost of under 8 cents per mile, and the legacy carriers faced with extinction have only been able to lower their costs to about 9.5 cents per mile. So tell me, how can airline that loses money with an average cost of 9.5 cents per seat mile, make money flying airplanes that cost 1 to 2 cents more per seat mile to operate? I have passed the CPA exam. I have an MBA. I now am an attorney. Am I missing something? I don't think so.

Go figure it out. It's called the allocation of overhead, which is used to make the regional affiliates look profitable when in fact they are bleeding cash. And why is this done? To push down the wages of the mainline flight service employees.

As National's Slogan used to say!
IS THIS ANY WAY TO RUN AN AIRLINE? YOU BET IT IS(n't)!


User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2292 posts, RR: 38
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Being a PIT person im glad to see another US carrier go kapooey and cut service. The faster the pull the heck out, the better for the city and the airport.

ATCT Fly Delta Jets



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

1997 they operated a 727-200, F28, 73S, and D9S.

After 1995, US restricted usage of the 727s for its Shuttle operations only. To my knowledge, I don't think that the US Shuttle ever served TOL.

One may have landed there (TOL) as a result of a diversion.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

My timeline is probably off...I'll can dig out all of the old schedules from the airport - but they are in a box tucked away. More than likely it was probably 1994 now that I think about it.

The aircraft was routed TOL-PIT-CLT-GCM for the morning outbound and came in BDA-BOS-PIT-TOL at night.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Am I missing something? I don't think so.

Yes...you are missing something. Unit revenues on RJ's are much higher than on mainline.


User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Don't be surprised to see CLT-TOL service in the future. US canned the PIT-EVV routes but added CLT-EVV routes that begin i think in SEPT sometime

User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2461 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

I really highly doubt it because the fact that our station is closing as of July 31, 2004. And as of Aug 3rd, all of our stuff has to be packed up and shipped out...I just don't see it coming.

Plus, EVV has three rjs daily except for saturday to pit. Nobody is trained at TOL for Crjs and only a handful of people are trained on the ERJs. It would be nice...but as I said, I just dont see it coming.

XJR

[Edited 2004-07-13 21:46:30]


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25 DAYFL : HlywdCatft, How can you say that TOL is just a little smaller than DAY. Delta alone each month at DAY does more passengers than all airlines at TOL co
26 Jjbiv : Toledo (as a market) has every bit as much potential as DAY. Execution is the key. joe
27 Post contains images Skyway1 : Sorry to hear about you folks in TOL...things will turn out for you in the long run!! From everything I hear Shuttle America's operations are terrible
28 Post contains images XJRamper : don't know how the US folks handle the stress....because I work right next to them and they get HAMMERED day after day! Drugs and lots and lots of al
29 Skyway1 : XJRamper..... One of my co-workers worked for USAirways as a reservations agent for 18 years and after 9/11 they closed their office here in DAY.....b
30 XJRamper : Good luck to you in the future! Appreciate that Skyway1. And what third party company handles the ground? XJR
31 Skyway1 : FSS handles the ground work for USAIR here.......I can't remember exactly right now what is.....Flight Services and Systems maybe??? Chris
32 N628AU : Milesrich said: The above is a perfect example how a company shrinks its way into extinction. Regional Jets are profitable? Says who? Everything I hav
33 XJRamper : I am going to plead ignorance on CASM...what does it stand for? Cost for ... seat mile? XJR
34 PHLBOS : With US pulling out, is there any chance of CO upgrading its Connection services to CLE to an Express ERJ or Independence Air bringing in CRJ service
35 Luv2fly : PHLBOS I would expect to see Indy air before CO upgraded the flight to CLE. TOL Airport is located close to DTW and next closest would be CLE going Ea
36 PHLBOS : TOL Airport is located close to DTW and next closest would be CLE going East and FWA going West. So to save a connection most people have gotten into
37 Luv2fly : PHLBOS I'll agree with you, though myself given the choice non stop or connect, I'll always do nonstop and if that mean driving to a close airport I'l
38 PHLBOS : Remember AirTran has been to TOL twice and they were unable to make a go of it. That was partly because FL only offered non-stops to ATL (they may hav
39 Cumulonimbus : XJ Ramper, I am one of those former Us FF loyal customers. I too am fed up with PSA and was with Shithole America's Cancellations. I too see Us Airwa
40 Ouboy79 : Expect an announcement from American with in a week on service from Toledo. I've heard both BOS and JFK rumored. Also JFK is part of their SCASD filin
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