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EWR Gaining On JFK For International Flights?  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Over time, it seems as if EWR is gaining more and more precedence for international flights in comparison to JFK. Since it's creation, JFK has always been known as New York's premier international airport, with the greatest number of flights and destinations around the world.

JFK is still way ahead of EWR in terms of flights and destinations served, but I have started to notice that EWR is definitely making some headway with some international routes, such as SQ's EWR-HKG and Air Tahiti Nui's (I don't know the code) rumored flight from EWR-PPT. EWR also has a few airlines that JFK doesnt, such as MH and Ethopian.

One would think that JFK would always remain at the forefront of serving New York's needs for international flights (and it probably always will), so what's the reason behind EWR's increasing prominence with regard to international service? There was actually a large article about this in The Record (northeastern NJ's local newspaper) a few weeks ago in the Travel section.

What do you think?

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User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

I think if they added another runway, or even extend runway 29, EWR could easily match JFK. But neither will happen

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6273 times:

such as SQ's EWR-HKG

SQ flies to Singapore nonstop, not Hong Kong.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

Newark has done well with international carriers - much has to do with connections; its the only NYC airport where domestic/international passengers can make numerous and easy connection (LGA is all domestic - anything int'l is precleared and JFK offers limited domestic service [except transcon flights] on airlines other than JetBlue), EWR provides easy access to Manahttan, and, of course, the CO hub and its international service have put EWR on the international map.

Remember, however, that SQ's decision to operate the nonstop flight from Singapore into EWR had more to do with the good performance of F R A -JFK segment on the onestop flight into JFK and the poor performance of the AMS-EWR segment on the onestop flight into EWR - thus, the onestop service into EWR was dropped in favor of the new nonstop flight. TAP flies into EWR mainly because of the large Portugese population in northern NJ and SAS is at EWR because of its failed marriage and investment into CO (which came to an end during the last bankruptcy of CO). And, some international carriers that tried EWR have pulled out.

The answer is CHOICE, airlines like KL, VS, LH, BA, EL AL, Aliltalia, AF, etc which serve both JFK and EWR want to attract the largest amount of pax possible, and by serving both of NYC's international airports, they have something for everyone. EWR is more convenient for some NewYorkers but JFK is a better choice for others, thus serving both airports is the best answer.

I do think that JFK will remain the prime international gateway to the NYC area....many consider still consider JFK the primary entry point to all of the US.


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

One of the main reasons SQ chose EWR over JFK was because their JFK-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-SIN flight was higher yielding than their EWR-AMS-SIN flights.

Over time, it seems as if EWR is gaining more and more precedence for international flights in comparison to JFK. Since it's creation, JFK has always been known as New York's premier international airport, with the greatest number of flights and destinations around the world.

While EWR is getting it's fair share of new service, so is Kennedy. It is good that both are growing. While SIN-EWR just started, DXB-JFK and HKG-JFK both just started, with TG likely to start service to JFK next year. Copa, Mexicana both recently started JFK service as well--Mexicana at the expense of EWR.

JFK is still way ahead of EWR in terms of flights and destinations served, but I have started to notice that EWR is definitely making some headway with some international routes, such as SQ's EWR-HKG and Air Tahiti Nui's (I don't know the code) rumored flight from EWR-PPT. EWR also has a few airlines that JFK doesnt, such as MH and Ethopian.

I think it's too early to say they are making headway.......MH and Ethiopian and Eva (and of course SAS)...Good stuff. Now ask yourself how many international airlines serve JFK that don't serve EWR and the list can go on and on.

NYC is a large enough market to handle two major international airports.....They both help cover the huge market and thus are both very important to NYC.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16814 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Contrary to most opinions the main market for Newark Airport is Northern New Jersey, however they do get about 20% of their traffic heading to/from Manhattan.

New Jersey is the wealthiest State in the Nation, with a impressive list of Corporations which either have their Global Headquarters, North American Headquarters, or just a large presence within the Garden State. Also Northern New Jersey's population is 8 Million which is a huge market onto itself, throw it NYC and Eastern Pennsylvania traffic which it also picks up and it's nicely situated.

Newark Airport is at the intersection of several major Interstate Highways (NJ Tunrpike/ I 95, I 78, I 80, US Highway 1 etc) which makes it easily accesible by car from all over the region.

JFK while NY's #1 airport is quite isolated by it's location, even though it's in NYC (Queens) it's near the border of Nassau County Long Island. It's quite inconveinent for folks outside Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island to reach, the main reason is that from anywhere except Long Island you have to drive Literally from oneside of NYC to the other.

NYC has a great public transit system, but it's highways are probably the worst in the Nation of any big City.

JFK always will have more international carriers, two reasons are that it has more room than EWR and it's also not dominated by a single carrier like CO dominates EWR.

JFK for the last year has handled more passengers than Newark Airport which the 7 years prior was NY's busiest in terms of travelers, however EWR still has more aircraft movements.

JFK is developing nicely with the new Terminals, Airtrain and future "oneseat" rides to Manhattan within the next 10 years. However they are deviating from what Im sure Airline and Port Authority planners had envisioned when the Redevelopment started about 7 years ago.

JFK will continue to be the Main NYC International Gateway, however Domestically they are going to be dominated by Jetblue. AA and DL both had grandoise visions back in '99 about developing JFK into a hub ala CO's EWR hub, however the phenominal success of Jetblue has pretty much ended that plan.

JFK will be a polar airport, heavy on International flights one one end and heavy on LCC Domestic flights on the other end. Leaving little to no room for traditional Domestic route networks to develop, Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Charlotte etc..

Newark on the other hand is diversifying nicely, you have CO and SQ with their Ultra Long Range flights to Asia. LH and Swiss catering to Business travelers with BBJs, CO flying to smaller European Markets such as Oslo, Edinburgh, Lisbon which other US airlines (or European) don't serve.

Then there's the traditional flights,

NWA, CO several times daily to MSP
NWA, CO several times daily to DTW
AA, CO, UAL, ATA several times daily to Chicago
AA, CO several times daily to DFW

etc..

Then you have CO flying Regional Jets to smaller US Markets, such as Arkansas, Oklahoma, Madison Wis, Savanah Georgia etc..

Both will continue to grow after suffering a tremendous slide in traffic after 9-11, the peak reached in 2000 of 34 Million passengers at EWR is going to last a few years.

Last year EWR handled 29 Million, and JFK 30 Million passengers.

The most passengers in a single year for any of NYC's three airports was EWR's 34 Million in 2000, JFK will probably beat that number but not for atleast another 5 years. Newark will also exceed 34 Million passengers but again not for another 5-6 years.

10-12 years from now Newark Airport will probably be at 40 Million passengers, JFK will probably be at 41-42 Million passengers per year.

LGA may reach 30 Million, but the FAA and Port Authority are going to tightly regulate the traffic.

Within 20 years EWR, JFK and LGA will be maxed out, and a new solution (new runways, new airports etc..) will be needed.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

DL has, will be adding many new domestic flights at JFK. Thoguh I do agree, most domestic growth at JFK will come from B6.


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User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3378 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

EWR has 48 airlines serving it. EWR has 106 gates.
JFK has 74 airlines serving it. 4930 acres. 110 gates without T5 included. 128 gates with T5 included. Increasing to 143-145 gates with the opening of new Terminal 5 and new Terminal 8.

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User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

I think that EWR is certainly making a progress, however, there are few major issues which will keep JFK in the lead:
1- There is no room for runway expansion let alone construction of new one(s). Such undertaking will cost the NJ tax payers major $$ and will not be a favorable project, since JFK and LGA are within 20miles radius.
2- The terminal configuration and pax air craft parking are limited, unless remote parking are provided and passengers are shuttled to their flights (like the case in many other airports) But this may not be possible because with bad weather, groundings or emergency diversions, EWR can max out fast!
3- When the A380 enters markets and airports begin to show off that they are capable of accommodating such size aircrafts (and JFK will), unfortunately my home airport EWR will not be able to compete!

As for the EWR future, this is my guess:
It will continue to remain CO hub and if there are any design changes / remodels of any of its A & B terminals, especially A, it will be in such to accommodate small to mid. Size airplanes. Now days, numbers of ERJ, CRJ, B737s and A319&20s are becoming more and more of regulars at EWR. And many airlines are choosing smaller and more economical aircrafts, therefore I think we will begin to see a gradual shrinkage in size at our EWR! Of course, this is only my guess, and I love to see more wide bodies continue their traffic at my home airport!


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5868 times:

Ethiopian is discontinuing EWR as of October 1st. Flights will now be ADD-FCO-IAD 3 times a week.

User currently offlineSpinzels From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5743 times:

JFK is developing nicely with the new Terminals, Airtrain and future "oneseat" rides to Manhattan within the next 10 years. However they are deviating from what Im sure Airline and Port Authority planners had envisioned when the Redevelopment started about 7 years ago.


On the JFK Airtrain, the average daily rider ship, of 26,500, is below the Port Authority’s projection of 34,000 riders a day. But the PA expects the rider ship to edge up during high-travel Summer months. Not sure if I agree, will be interesting to see the figures in September. Airtrain EWR has a rider ship of about 30,000/day--although that includes all EWR airtrain uses, not just connections through the airtport train station. The number that actually use the train station appears much smaller--around 5,000.

As for one seat Manhattan to JFK service, this may becoming a reality sooner than we expected. The City and State are now behind a plan to use $2 billion of the $20 billion 9/11 disaster relief set aside for New York to construct a rail link from Lower Manhattan to JFK. Presumably the rail link would be connected to/or terminate at the new Fulton St. transportation complex. If so this would be an enormous boost to JFK, allowing easy train access not only to most NYers, but also to densely populated Hudson County, NJ. In the past, the White House has been consistently opposed to this spending, but has recently signaled it might support the plan.

Edited to clarify EWR airtrain usage


[Edited 2004-07-09 15:46:39]


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2787 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

I love JFK...keep in mind that JFK will gain 26 gates with JetBlue's T5 expansion plan. However, we're also demolishing T6 so the net gain may only be about 10 gates.

At certain times of the day, aircraft parking is limited. But keep in mind that the early-afternoon hours are DEAD at JFK. T4 only has a few aircraft. Most airlines have early morning and early evening pushes. Most of the mid-day traffic is JetBlue. JFK can certainly add flights...but mostly at off-peak times.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Hey

this had to do w/ airlines that opperate EWR.

SAA said that they where planning to change there services from JFK to EWR.
Which means more 346 and 343 for EWR. Also SAS opperates EWR and West Jet is starting EWR. Also talks at SAA say they are interested into the 380 and might do a direct flight from JNB to New York.


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User currently offlineNavega From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

One cannot even compate the number of International airlines that operate
at JFK compared to those that operate at EWR.

EWR will always be a Domestic Airport. Just because CO flies to many international destinations does not give EWR the presence of a real
International airport as JFK does.

One only has to look at the impressive list of foreign airlines that fly here
to see why JFK is and will remain as one of the true international airports
of this country.

Take away CO from EWR and then what ???



User currently offlineNavega From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5033 times:

One cannot even compare the number of International airlines that operate
at JFK to those that operate at EWR.

EWR will always be a Domestic Airport to many due to the extensive domestic
route structure of CO. Just because CO also flies to many international destinations from EWR it is still not percieved as a real International airport as JFK is percieved.

Just drive to JFK and take a look at the impressive list of foreign airlines that fly there to see why JFK is and will remain as one of the true international airports of this country.

Take away CO from EWR and then what ???



User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

International Airlines Operating @ EWR:
===
Air Canada
Air France
Air India
Air Jamaica
Air Plus Comet
Alitalia
British Airways
Czech Airlines
El Al
Ethiopian Airlines
EVA Airways
Jetsgo
KLM ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES
Lot Polish
Lufthansa
Malaysia
Mexicana
SAS
Singapore Airlines
Swiss
TAP Air Portugal
Virgin Atlantic

International Airlines Operating @ JFK:
====
Aer Lingus
Aeroflot
Aerolineas Argentinas
Aero Mexico
AeroSvit Ukrainian Airlines
Air Canada
Air China
Air France
Air India
Air Jamaica
Alitalia
ANA
Asiana
Austrian Airlines
Avianca
Biman Bangladesh
British Airways
BWIA
Cathay Pacific
China Airlines
Corsair
Copa
Czech Airlines
Egyptair
El Al
Emirates
Finnair
Ghana Airways
Iberia
Icelandair
Japan Airlines
KLM
Korean Air
Kuwait Airways
Lacsa
Lan Chile
Lan Ecuador
Lan Peru
LOT
Lufthansa
Malev Hungarian
Mexicana
Olympic
Pakistan International Airlines
Qantas
Royal Air Maroc
Royal Jordanian
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Singapore Airlines
South African Airways
Swiss International Air Lines
TACA International
Tarom Romanian
Turkish
Uzbekistan
VARIG
Virgin Atlantic


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Nice list JAL777....Except Tarom doesn't fly to JFK anymore.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16814 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

"EWR will always be a Domestic Airport to many due to the extensive domestic
route structure of CO. Just because CO also flies to many international destinations from EWR it is still not percieved as a real International airport as JFK is percieved."


Newark Airport has more International service than Chicago Ohare, home to the two largest US Airlines and the third largest US City. So to merely pass EWR off as just a "Domestic" Airport is nuts, only perhaps MIA, JFK,SFO and LAX have more International service than EWR.


The problem with JFK is not it's International network, its the Domestic network. EWR has a better balance, many of JFK's International airlines are not even daily flights. And they are almost all departing/arriving at the sametime, which compounds the problems at JFK.

Between 4PM-7PM there are not enough gates at JFK, between 8AM-4PM there are too many just sitting idle doing nothing. Total waste of resources, EWR atleast has healthy Domestic operation which keeps it's gates busy throughout the day.

Also JFK's lack of balance to their flight schedules play havoc on reatilers trying to make a living, just look in Terminal 4's "Mall". I physically counted when I was there more boarded up retail spaces then there were open retail spaces, there was even an article in the NY Times about how bad the stores which were supposed to bring in so much money at T-4 were doing.

They have no customers except in the Early evening, not enough foot traffic through out the day.




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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

JAL777

I am pretty sure Air Plus comet opperates JFK.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16814 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

"As for one seat Manhattan to JFK service, this may becoming a reality sooner than we expected. The City and State are now behind a plan to use $2 billion of the $20 billion 9/11 disaster relief set aside for New York to construct a rail link from Lower Manhattan to JFK. "

Chances look good, however there is still a huge controversy as to the cost-benefit equation. They are asking the Feds to turn over $2-3 Billion in un used 9-11 grant money into firm Transit funding for the project, the total cost for the project is $6 BILLION!!

The other $4 Billion will come from the NY State Empire Development Corp, MTA, Port Authority and other sources.

Alot of money to spend to serve estimated 7,000-10,000 daily riders from JFK to Manhattan.

In contrast the Port Authority has also begun planning studies to extend PATH service 2 miles from Downtown Newark to Newark Airport's rail link station, it would create a direct oneseat ride from Newark Airport's rail link station to the new World Trade Center Transit Hub being designed by Santiago Calatrava.

It would operate between Newark Airport and the World Trade Center every 3-5 minutes during peak hours, and would also connect to PATH's 33rd street line stations in Manhattan's Greenwich Village and Chelsea neighborhoods as well as Hoboken and Jersey City.

It would be a direct connection between Lower Manhattan and a airport, and with a estimated price tag of $500 Million it would be a fraction of the cost of the $6 Billion Dollar JFK-Lower Manhattan plan.

Basically the PATH extension is going to do the same thing as the proposed JFK-Lower Manhattan Airtrain link, however spending $500 Million compared to $6 Billion is a huge difference. Especially considering the ridership will be almost equal, check the LMDC's website for a brief description of both plans.

http://renewnyc.org/plan_des_dev/transportation/pdf/chapter2.pdf



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User currently offlineBlackbird1331 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1893 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Good job, JAL777. EWR was a great airport before JFK even opened its runways. Now, JFK is undoubtably a great airport. The future is not in the name, or in its history, but, in its managment. As many know, EWR, JFK and LGA are run by the same managment team.


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User currently offlineBsmalls35 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Thanks to Continental, Newark has a good amount of international service. However in the past few years, several international carriers have pulled out of Newark and others have reduced service. Korean, Aer Lingus, Malev, Turkish, Mexicana, Avianca, and Ethopian (soon), come to mind. Lufthansa Swiss and SAS have scaled back service. And remember both United and American stopped service from Newark to London. In terms of passenger counts, Newark is still increasing internationally but for total numbers if JetBlue continues its rapid expansion, Newark will be hard pressed to match JFK in terms of passenger count. Is SAA thinking about switching service to EWR, this is the first time I've heard this.

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3607 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

JFK while NY's #1 airport is quite isolated by it's location, even though it's in NYC (Queens) it's near the border of Nassau County Long Island. It's quite inconveinent for folks outside Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island to reach, the main reason is that from anywhere except Long Island you have to drive Literally from oneside of NYC to the other.

Well, this might be technically true but are you honestly telling me that people from Connecticutt or the northern suburbs are more convenient to EWR than JFK?

JFK is more convenient to those north and east of the city, EWR is more convenient to those south and west. That's the way it's always been and that's the way it still is. Both airports are important for that reason, because this is a metro area of more than 20 million people and about an equal number of those people lie on each side of Manhattan.

If you're in Manhattan, it's pretty much a wash, but there are only 1.2 million people in Manhattan, so even a one-stop Manhattan ride to EWR is not as important as some people make it out to be. For most actual New Yorkers, JFK is actually more convenient and still would be even with a PATH connection - I agree with whoever said EWR serves mostly NJ residents, because don't forget that all outer boroughs in NY except Staten Island (by far the smallest borough) are east of Manhattan, including the Bronx (which is both north and east - and you do not need to go through Manhattan to get from the Bronx to Queens).

EWR will probably never really eclipse JFK because EWR is not convenient for any NYC resident outside of Manhattan, and the population distribution of the city being what it is, JFK is still closer to a larger concentration of people than EWR is - and many of those people don't have cars (as nearly everyone does in NJ).

EWR is more convenient to NYC residents than it used to be, with AirTrain combined with a NJ Transit stop. But that still means a ride into Manhattan, then a transfer to either a bus or to NJ Transit- and then a further transfer to AirTrain if you take NJ Transit. It's much easier for most NYC residents to either take public transportation or a car service out to JFK (car service is more expensive to EWR). So JFK still has more people in its more immediately accessible vicinity - and a large number of northern and eastern suburban residents for whom driving is still more convenient than EWR.

Being on the border with NJ, NYC's population is not naturally distributed - Manhattan should be the center of the city, but it isn't. Most of NYC's residents live to the east, and JFK serves all those residents better than EWR.



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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4828 times:

It's simple really... JFK is an O&D airport, EWR has more connections.


That list came of the Port Authorities Web Site.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16814 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Spacecadet,

good post, a couple of things..

8 Million Northern New Jersey residents is significant, you have a population the size of NYC proper in NJ within a 40 Minute drive of EWR.

Plus the wealth distribution favors NJ tremendously, while yes Brooklyn and Queens have large populations it's mostly working class and immigrants with some shrinking enclaves like Dyker Heights Brooklyn and certain parts of Queens.

There's also no corporations or major industry on Long Island, Queens or Brooklyn. The jobs and the wealth are in Manhattan and Northern NJ.

JFK caters to the working class folks in Queens and Nassau County with Jetblue, and the large immigrant communities of Brooklyn like the Russians, Egyptians, Guayanese, Jamaicans etc..

EWR caters more to Upper Middleclass families and Business travelers, the average household income of the typical EWR traveler is nearly $10,000 more a year than either JFK or LGA (according to the PA's own website).



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25 STT757 : "However in the past few years, several international carriers have pulled out of Newark and others have reduced service. Korean, Aer Lingus, Malev, T
26 AF022 : according to my OAG file..., weekly frequencies to international points on international airlines EWR (total = 233) 57 Air Canada 21 SAS 19 Lufthansa
27 Post contains images Aa767400 : Oh god, not another JFK vs. EWR topic. Each serves it's purpose, depending on where you live. But, let's not make New Jersey into this rich and glorio
28 STT757 : "And New York a state of poor immigrants with no money. " I did not make it out that way, the facts are that the Middle Class in NYC is disappearing t
29 Muttley35 : A small point but EWR is the only direct gateway into the states from BHX which when you consider the midlands has a greater population than Wales and
30 Aa767400 : Yes, it makes me wonder why BA does not have BHX-JFK. They had the route before.
31 Gigneil : The City and State are now behind a plan to use $2 billion of the $20 billion 9/11 disaster relief set aside for New York to construct a rail link fro
32 STT757 : BA at one time flew 757s from JFK to both Birmingham and Glasglow, they actually pioneered 757s on Trans-Atlantic routes.
33 Muttley35 : Yes, it makes me wonder why BA does not have BHX-JFK. They had the route before. I am unaware of them discontinuing this route Fraid so Gigneil , in f
34 Aa767400 : Gigniel, You should look further at what you say. BA stopped this a while back. They still have JFK-MAN on a 763.
35 Flyguy1 : STT: Apparently you have forgotten the many high quality parts of Queens, Bklyn, and SI that still exist in NYC. Plus, don't discount passengers from
36 STT757 : There are still many fabulous neighborhoods in the Outer Boroughs, however the demographics and quality of life are changing rapidly. My Grandmother w
37 Jfklganyc : ST757: Stop beating around the bush, it's called "white flight." It's not a phenomonan isolated to New York City but has occurred in virtually all met
38 Cory6188 : STT757, you have a point with regard to public education. My friend Lindsay's boyfriend is Andrew Giuliani (I've been in his car before - filled with
39 Rjpieces : He said that his dad would never send him to school in the city. I HATE when politicians preach about public education and send their kids to private
40 Cicadajet : Ah, a Stuyvesant student. Good school indeed. Going off-topic, Yes, there are some good schools in NYC for some of the brighter students to excel, but
41 Gigneil : I confused Birmingham for Manchester. Ignore me, I'm a stupid American. N
42 Post contains images Jfklganyc : Again off topic but I do believe Guiliani's son is somewhat learning disabled. Don't hold me to that, but I believe I heard that at some point. That m
43 STT757 : "As for a oneseat ride to EWR from Manhattan--that will never happen. Even if PATH is extended to meet the monorail at EWR you must remember that EWR
44 Rjpieces : Does AA have plans to include the AirTrain station in their new terminal?
45 Post contains links STT757 : "Does AA have plans to include the AirTrain station in their new terminal?" No you will still have to go outside and cross a couple lanes of traffic o
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