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How Are The Regional Airports Doing?  
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

We talk so much about larger aircraft, I was just wondering how the more local and regional airports are doing out there? Mainly the airports that serve an area of at least 100,000. Are they growing? Loosing flights? planning anything new? Just tell us whats going on with the regional airports.

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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2965 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

My home airport, GSP, is doing great. Passenger numbers are back above last year's, and airlines have added service. Except for DL and NW, all our flights are on RJ's or propjets. Independence Air starts serving here on the 17th of this month. We currently have nonstop service to EWR & LGA, DCA, IAD, ORD, PHL, PIT, IAH, MCO, DFW, CLE, CLT, ATL, CVG and others.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

nice. Here in CRW, numbers are 17% higher that lats year, and higher than before 911. They are adding 2 more gates onto the termanal by expanding concourse C. They are widening taxiways along the main runway and legenthening the runway to 7,000ft. We have service to IAD, DCA, PIT, CLT, PHL, CVG, CLE, ORD,and ATL. And were working on (Jfk, EWR, LGA) whichever opens up first. and possibly MIA.

User currently offlineGD727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 925 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

I'm glad to hear regional airports in the south seem to be doing good, they're not doing so good here in New England. For instance, there is a nice airport in Worcester, MA (ORH), it has a nice terminal with around 4-6 gates and the airport is completley empty. The reasons why this happened is because of the close proximity of PVD and BOS. If people in Worcester want low fares, they just drive to PVD and take WN or to BOS and take B6 or Song. But the biggest reason ORH no longer has service is due to poor road access. To get to the airport, you must drive through downtown Worcester, and then through a maze of small residentail streets. Massport wants to build an access road from I-290, but NIMBY presence is as strong as always. Before 9/11, ORH had US Dash-8 service to PHL, AE ERJ service to ORD and SF3 service to JFK, DL CRJ service to ATL, and even Pan Am III 727 service to SFB and ABE. Now they have nothing! Man do I ever hate NIMBY's!  Pissed




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User currently offlineTungd From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Kcrwflyer,

My hometown airport, KABI, is a regional airport serving 116k in the city and 300k total catchment area (80-mile radius). 2004 is one of the best years ever for local air travel, but that's not saying much since there are only 9 departures per day with a total of 350 seats! (American Eagle has 6 flights to DFW, 3 Saab's and 3 RJ's to DFW, and Continental Express/Skywest has 3 flights to IAH, 2 EMB-120's and 1 RJ)

All the flights have high load factors, but since KDFW is only 137nm away, most people drive instead. KABI, however, has recently doubled the size of the terminal and is now a "real" airport, complete with jet bridges...who woulda thunk??? The city's philosophy is "if we build it, they will come." It seems to be working so far, though it's unlikely that anything larger than RJs will ever serve this somewhat-remote facility.


User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4429 times:

Worcester's lack of service isn't just related to NIMBY's. From a Massport study on Worcester's lack of service:

"The Worcester Airport has long suffered from poor service reliability due to weather conditions. The airport's high altitude results in low ceiling conditions and fog that close the airport more often than other regional airports at lower altitudes. Massport has studied the feasibility of upgrading the Worcester Airport to a Category II/III Instrument Landing System (ILS) to increase the airport's operating reliability in poor weather conditions. Upgrades to the ILS at Worcester have been delayed due to lack of funds in the wake of September 11, 2001. Ground access has also been a problem that has limited Worcester's ability to realize its full potential. MassHighway is studying improvements to the greater Worcester area roadway network that would also benefit the accessibility of Worcester Airport by providing a direct, less complex connection between the airport and the interstate highway system. "

Plus, Boston's regional airports (Providence and Manchester) are doing quite well.


User currently offlineJuanchie From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4410 times:

Kcrwflyer-

Where are they putting those gates? Last I remember, there wasnt much room around the terminal. And what happened to the flight to IAH? Did they already drop it? I have some family that flew up on wednesday and when their united plane came in late at 1:30 am, it only had three bags on it. Wouldnt mind seeing good ole crw again.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4428 times:

Boston's regional airports (Providence and Manchester) are doing quite well.

No doubt, the primary reason for that is due to the 'Southwest Effect'.

It's a shame about ORH. My brother lives in Sturbridge (12 miles west of Worcester); for a day trip, a round-trip flight from PHL to ORH would be nice and convenient. I never took advantage of that because USExpress was charging anywhere from $250 to $400 for the service... advance purchase, coach-only seating (DH-8), and even with a Saturday night stay.

Had GoFares existed then and for that route, I would've utilized it.

However, with WN's r/t PHL-PVD fare of $77 (includes taxes and fees and NO Saturday night stay required); the issue's a no-brainer. Although I am still waiting for WN to offer PHL-BDL service. BDL is slightly closer to Sturbridge than PVD.

Anyone know how BED (Hanscon) is doing? I know that they're losing USExpress (Shuttle America) and that Boston & Maine Airways (Pan Am Clipper Connection) is picking up the BED-TTN route from USExpress.

Has that route taken some hits from FL offering PHL-BOS service this past year?



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

"Where are they putting those gates? Last I remember, there wasnt much room around the terminal. And what happened to the flight to IAH? Did they already drop it? I have some family that flew up on wednesday and when their united plane came in late at 1:30 am, it only had three bags on it. Wouldnt mind seeing good ole crw again."

Between the weather, and the drop from ACA, Uex is messed way up. They still fly to Iah. 1 erj in and 1 erj out. They both run 90-100% loads most of the time.

Im not sure where their adding gates. I know they built an 2nd jetway for gate B between gate B and A. The other ones should be an expansion of concourse C, thus making aircraft park straight in, and yeager aill go to a pushback method.


User currently offlineJuanchie From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Where are gates A and B? I have a good mental picture of the terminal and if I remember correctly, Yeager has a horrible numbering system with letters and number. Like gates A, B , 3 etc. It was always quite confusing.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

ok. A and B are the original two Jetways. Whats your e-mail so i can send you a picture?

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

KCRWflyer:

You forgot one -- NW serves DTW from there with Mesaba Saabs.



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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

youre so right. I knew i was leaving one out.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Tungd --

I was going to post something about ABI, but you beat me to it! Are you living in Abilene now? I grew up there, but live in Austin now (about to move to Dallas). Just curious, I think you're the first Abilene person I've seen on A.net.

As for the airport, I agree -- it is doing well, much better than 5-6 years ago!



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3276 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

CAK hit a million people for the first time last year, and just keeps growing!

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

My parents hometown airport (EWN - New Bern, NC) only has service by USX to Clt). They are trying to get AmConn or AE to flight out (again, as they used to). There is about a 200,000 popn for the area. They could REALLY use some more service.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4259 times:

wow, they really could with that many people and just one flight.

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Well, actually.. EWN has 8 daily flights to CLT on USX...

But no service to the staples.. DC, NY, ATL, FL.. they could at least use 2 dailies to each...



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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

I think my regional airport is doing OK, Visby airport (59K inhabs on the Islands, many tourists in the summer), Sweden. They operate mainly SAAB 340ies nowadays.
As for regional planes I think Embraer is the big one in the sector and I predict they´ll dominate this size of airplane for a long time, China rolled out their
first local made ERJ145 recently and many of the competitors are gone,
SAAB, Fokker, Dornier to name a few.



User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8868 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

As people have said, MHT is going up. Independence Air starts here very soon with 9 dailies to IAD (as well as a new UA Express ER4), PHL gets 4 WN 737s and a new US 733. DCA is picking up a 733 on US, and WN also recently announced a 3rd daily 737 to TPA. Earlier this year (or late last year), NW started up MSP service as well. The only loss recently were Pan Am (who were so inconsistent that I don't know if you could consider them a loss).

PWM is pretty much growing right now. They will have seasonal 733 service to DCA on US, and they are getting 2 733s back to PHL. They also recently picked up a CRJ to CLT. Delta recently added a CRJ to CVG to compliment their 2 daily MD-88s. American Eagle recently started weekend service to BOS. Northwest added an Avro 85 to compliment their 2 daily DC-9s and CRJ to DTW. Since 9/11 (when Air Canada and United mainline pulled out), the only losses have been US downgrading their flights (it was 733s to PIT and PHL only), and minor service tweakings by Delta Connection and American Eagle. Continental did do a seasonal 735 to PWM last season (a few days a week), but I can't find that right now either. Independence Air has also started with 6 daily CRJs to IAD.

Jeff


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

How about SGF (springfield/branson)? TWA used to fly 10x with md80s and 717s. I'm surprised WN or FL hasn't jumped in here yet.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

MHT isnt regional, look at the area it serves and its traffic. Airports with WN disqualify.

User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Actually, MHT and PVD are both considered regional airports. Most analysts (even the Federal Reserve Bank) consider that a regional airport is one within 100 miles of a major city and it's home airport. One such source documenting that Hartford, Providence, Worcester, Manchester and Portland as regional airports is: http://www.bos.frb.org/economic/nerr/rr1997/winter/camp97_1.htm

An excerpt from the Federal Reserve Bank's report states:

Besides market pricing, more productive use of Logan hinges on its relationship with the smaller airports in the region. Five sizeable commercial airports -- Hartford, Manchester, Portland, Providence, and Worcester -- lie within one hundred miles of Boston; Hanscom Field, a major general aviation airport, also is northwest of the city. With these airports operating at an aggregate of just fifty percent of capacity, most could absorb more of the traffic now flowing through Logan.

And who determined that SW disqualifies an airport from being regional? Sources, please!


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3761 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

please read my first post describing what this thread is about. Im just saying that WN fly's out west directly. Im talking about the regional airports that dont serve big cities, stated by the population limits i put in my first post. Also the airports with only regional service.

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Also the airports with only regional service.

By the above-definition, cross CAK off the list. FL flies 717s out of CAK.



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25 Post contains images Bostonguy : "Mainly the airports that serve an area of at least 100,000. Are they growing? Loosing flights? planning anything new? Just tell us whats going on wit
26 Post contains images Kcrwflyer : ok, ok, my bad, no hard feelings or offence. You can add what i would consider a larger airport, but try to keep it mainly smaller airports, like at l
27 Kcrwflyer : CRW was also in negotiations with Hooters Air, and Continental for mainline to the New York area. I didnt mention the mainline part in my earlier post
28 Flyboy80 : EUG (Eugene, Oregon) is doing pretty well. We still haven't heard anything regarding the return of mainline United after their pullout in DEC. 02...no
29 Aa757first : Here at Lehigh Valley (ABE) we are just fine. We are all RJ, except for two daily NW DC-9s to DTW and a US A319 daily to CLT. And Southeast, we have n
30 Kcrwflyer : nice. Yeager is growing but doesnt have the room. Their about to go to pushback to accomodate. If anyone would like to see a photo of yeager and all o
31 Atrude777 : MWA- Marion , Illinois. Is u know what, its amazing it even has commercial service, with 4 dailies to STL on Coporate Airlines/American Connection. I
32 BoeingPride800 : There is an airport near by called the Onieda County Airport (UCA). There used to be 6 airlines serving it in the 70's and 80's. In the late 1990's, U
33 Post contains images Kcrwflyer : Atrude777, yes its regional enough. BoeingPride, How do you not fill a BEECHCRAFT to NEW YORK CITY??????!!!!!! im dumbfounded.
34 Jetpixx : One would think that MLB (Melbourne, FL) would be a growing airport, but that place would be a ghost town if not for Delta continuing to offer service
35 BoeingPride800 : Well people tell me that Onieda County doesn't have THAT much people in it. Nobody wants to travel. And the few that had to travel to NYC for busines
36 Kcrwflyer : wow. Thats amazing. You own 100 Acres!!!! Thats a lot!!, Back to the subject. Any other airports out there.
37 DeltAirlines : Here's a few more: Lebanon, NH - before 9/11, they had 7 daily flights to BOS, LGA, and PHL, all on Beechcraft 1900. Currently, they are down to 3 dai
38 Kcrwflyer : nice reasearch youve got there. Good replys everyone.
39 Kcrwflyer : ANother airport in Huntington, WV. HTS is dying. It has service to ATL CLT and PIT, even though the PIT service is being upgraded to 4 a day, with 25%
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