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JetBlue To The Midwest?  
User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 844 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Why is it that jetBlue does not fly anywhere near the midwest? Is it gate availability? I think they would make a great addition to CAK and some of the other airports that AirTran flies. I would love to have more options to the Cleveland area, even if it meant flying through IAD. I am so glad Independence Air is starting up services soon, although it will be some time from FLL still. Anyone know the specifics on that?

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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

CLE is on the list of potentials for E190 service.


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User currently offlineJetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

That is fantastic news! I am originally from CLE and I fly between PBI/FLL/MIA at least four or five times a year. I am not the biggest fan of CO, but it is tough to avoid the N/S.

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1786 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

I Would like to see Jet Blue in OMA!

User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

In the near future, expect additional expansion along the coasts. But who knows what's in store in the next 5 years...

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

I would love to see them at IND. If they are going to start getting the regional jets next year, how soon do you think they will start announcing service to new cities?


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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5555 times:

Why wouldn't they consider DTW? Say JFK-DTW-Long Beach? We need some competition here at DTW.

User currently offlineIluv2pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Expansion in the Midwest has always been a problem for many upstarts. The load factors are just not there at many airports to make it worthwhile. There's been talk of JetBlue using the 190, however, it's limited seating and cost per mile will be higher than the Airbus. JetBlue will have to pick and choose very carefully . Remember, they don't have to pick airports to keep competitors out, or to feed hubs, they will pick only on the basis of profitability.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

B2443!

I am sure NW will fight any attempt by Jetblue to move into DTW. And before anyone gets going, it's called a free market economy and competition.

I know that if they do, I will still fly only NW and support NW anyway I can.

Considering that DTW is served by every major domestic+Lufthansa, British Airways and Royal Jordanian plus Spirit, Southwest and a plethora of charters, we certainly have enough competition here.

All power to the legacy carriers!!!!!



User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

Hi Jetpixx:
The reason is simple: long hauls make more money. You can turn higher yields easier.

You burn a lot of gas crusing up to 30000 ft asl. Your dont' burn that much once you're up there at cruise. It doesn't make as much sense to climb up there for an hour an a half flight, when you could climb up there at sit at cruise for 4 or 5 hours.

Look at flt B6 52 JFK to BTV, you can't charge high fares on that market but you still have to climb upto a high crusiing alt such as maybe 20000 burning just as much gas to get to a cruising altitude as you would to say fly to LGB where you can get people to pay $200 to $300 for a one way ticket vs. a JFK BTV ticket which averages about $59 each way.

Before 9/11 jetBlue was planning on serving a number of cities in the midwest. IND was the main one, don't know if it's still planned tho. The A320 wasn't really designed to do lots of cycles on short hops like WN does with the 737. Mind you short hauls can be done, but it was said to me that it puts unneeded wear and tear on the aircraft. That was one of the reasons the EMB-190 is being brought into the B6 family.

More than likely, and this is just a guess from what i've heard; you'll see the short hauls out of JFK such as BUF, SYR and BTV go to like 10 flights a day with the EMB-190. Each one of those cities will continue to see A320s with florida service as well as westcoast service once they open the new west coast hub... Ops did I say new west coast hub?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

In anycase, since we're excecised our options on the A320s and prob will on the 190s once they come online we'll be getting as many as 6 aircraft a month. From what I know as has been said in news releases they want to cover the midwest and east coast doing "point to point" flying. Even with the new JFK terminal being built there is just no way to have every flight going through JFK. Plus people like nonstops that are point to point. Who wants to go through a hub if they don't hafta, aside from all the A.netters.

Hope this ansered some of your questions.

Smiles
-Philzy



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User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

I think it is about time they take a chance at MSN!  Big grin
I'd sure like to see one of their 320s or 190s come in here!!!  Big thumbs up

-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

Dtwclipper,

I agree with you on that NW would fight its best to discourage any new comers from serving DTW. They have. However I'd like to see more competition at DTW for nonstop flights. Let's face it, the nonstops from DTW besides NW are

WN, nonstop to MDW and STL? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
UA, to ORD, IAD and DEN? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
DL, to ATL, CVG, and SLC? (who's gonna FLY to CVG besides transits)
AA, DFW, ORD, MIA? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
CO, to EWR and IAH, CLE (who's gonna FLY to CLE from DTW besides transits)
US, to PIT and CLT, PHL (who's gonna FLY to CLE from DTW besides transits)
Spirit (NH?) to Florida, LAX, LGA on MD8*s/DC9s?

Internationally,
BA, LHR
LH, AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
Royal Jordanian, to Anman?
Chartes to the Carribeans?

It's not that I do not love to fly NW. I would fly NW just because DTW is my home airport and nothing beats a non-stop. Many times I am forced to fly non-NW because their nonstops are so expensive. I'd like to see competition in DTW to bring their airfares down so that I CAN fly NW.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5447 times:

B2443

DTW-ORD is not a transit market! I used to fly AA all the time, weekly as a matter of fact, for business, but since 9/11 when they closed the AAdmirals club in Detroit, I gave all my business to NW.

I would not be surpized if DTW-ORD is not one of NW's better markets, despite severe competition from AA & UA. F/C is always full and it seems with revenue and not upgrades.

DTW-CVG, I have three clients there, and fly DTW-CVG weekly or at least twice a month.


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

Dtwclipper,
Sure there are O/D pax between DTW/ORD and DTW/CVG. I have no doubt about that. But I do believe the majority on those flights are transits. I'd be interested to know percentage wise how much on these routes is O/D and else.

For those in our company's regional office in Dayton, they'd rather drive up here. Even those fron Indy, let alone CLE based. Last December I had to spend a week near PIT, boy didn't I wish I had driven...


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5397 times:

Yep... wait for the -190s. You will either see them being placed in the Midwest or, as someone suggested, see the short haul/high frequency routes in the NE go to 190s and put the 320s on the Midwest/Plains runs.

OMA had damn well better be in there!



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User currently offlineNearord From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

Dont forget about Independence Air starting service to DTW from IAD in August.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

B2443,

Well, I also fly DTW-DAY. I have three clients there as well and couldn't handle the drive. I can leave in the AM and be home for dinner.

There was a thread a while ago that listed O-D for the majors, but I have to go to work now.

cheers

dtwclipper


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

dtwclipper,
wow, I could just imagine how your DTW-DAY day trip starts off. You get up at 4am and get home at 10pm. That sure beats 8-9 hrs/day on I75.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5316 times:


B2443


It's not so bad!

Date: July 12 Flight: NW 2755

Departs: Detroit-Wayne County Int'l, MI (DTW) at 10:15AM

Arrives: Dayton-Int'l, OH (DAY) at 11:20AM

Class of Service: Economy Class (Y) Seat: 06-A

Flight Duration: 1 hour 5 minutes Miles: 176

Meal Service: None Aircraft: Saab-340 SFC

Flight and Gate Status

Note: *Operated by MESABA AVIATION/NW AIRLINK



Date: July 12 Flight: NW 5875

Departs: Dayton-Int'l, OH (DAY) at 6:25PM

Arrives: Detroit-Wayne County Int'l, MI (DTW) at 7:31PM

Class of Service: Economy Class (Y) Seat: 02-C

Flight Duration: 1 hour 6 minutes Miles: 176

Meal Service: None Aircraft: Canadair Regional Jet CR4

Flight and Gate Status

Note: *Operated by PINNACLE AIRLINES JET/NW AIRLINK


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

dtwclipper,
okay... so you get up at 6a, park your car at Mac Termainal ($10/day), hop on the Saab340 for an hr ($280 rt), get to DAY at 11:20am, pick up your rental ($70/day), exit DAY at 12:30p, have a quick lunch, meet your client at 1:30pm for 3 hrs, at 4:30, head back to DAY, return the rental, check-in, hop on another Saab, get to DTW at 7:30pm. Pick your car, exit DTW at 8:30pm. If you live in North Oakland County, you get home by 10pm, suppose your flights were all on time. How oftern do you have do this??? I guess one gets used to this?


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

The day B6 announces JFK-DTW is the day NW will announce their new JFK-FLL service with spare DC-10s, designed for "the convenience and the pocketbooks of our valued customers"...


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User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

NW will announce their new JFK-FLL service with spare DC-10s

yeah..at half the price of B6? They don't even do DC-10s on DTW-FLL to compete with Spirit...


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

So, if B6 uses the EMB190 in the midwest, will I finally see a RDU-IND, RDU-MCI, RDU-MSY?

**Since I am assuming I will be seeing a RDU-OAK, RDU-FLL, and RDU-LGAor JFK***  Acting devilish



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

B2443;

Well, as I live in Western Wayne, it takes a grand total of 20min top to get to DTW, I have a metro car pick me up and am picked up at DAY so it's not so bad, and I am home by 8:00pm.

By the way the fare is a little more: Try R/t $676.00


User currently offlineNearord From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 185 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

"By the way the fare is a little more: Try R/t $676.00"

This is what kills me about Northwest lovers. You beg for competition, you get it, NW lowers its fares to match, then you fly NW instead of the competition, NW successfully runs out competition out of the market, and spikes prices again. I don't get it.


25 Smcmac32msn : I think it is about time they take a chance at MSN! Northwest717 - You took the words right out of my mouth. We could actually end up with jetBlue Exp
26 Kcrwflyer : Is it ok if i dream and hope that they're coming to CRW?
27 B2443 : Dtwclipper, By the way the fare is a little more: Try R/t $676.00 Now there's no way I could do this (to DAY for that price) with my company...I did a
28 Post contains links Tekelberry : The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel just had an article about JetBlue, Milwaukee, and the Midwest recently. Link: http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/jun04/23
29 B2443 : Thanks Tekelberry for sharing the link. The article did not mention DTW but Milwaukee, Chicago and MSP were on B6's "radar". I wonder what makes DTW s
30 Dtwclipper : "I wonder what makes DTW so un-inviting..." One word----Northwest
31 B2443 : Dtwclipper But B6 is targeting MSP, another NW hub. Chicago has UA, AA and WN, wouldn't that make Chicago a tougher market to crack in? Yet B6 targets
32 BoeingPride800 : I am so glad jetBlue flies to Syracuse (SYR)
33 BoeingPride800 : I am so glad jetBlue flies to Syracuse (SYR), but they only have service to JFK.
34 Ckfred : By the by, NW flies a lot of people between Chicago and DTW. I think there is even a 757 between DTW and MDW! As for B6, they would love to fly to Chi
35 Cubsrule : Didn't UA build T-1 essentially themselves in the late 80s? If so, I see no reason that the city could get its hands on any gates there. The crappy Ex
36 LEO777 : Terminal 1 including concourse B and C are all UA, and Lufthansa which departs from T1. I see it very difficult that UA give up any available gates at
37 Planeviewnyc : Is there any demand for JFK-OMA? Judging by the fact that there is no direct service serving the pair now, I'm guessing not. I think jetBlue will leav
38 Johnboy : Wow, can't believe that no one is gonna bite on that "new west coast hub" blurb back there!
39 B2443 : Anyhow Chicago has 4 major airlines at this point in time, JetBlue may somehow be intimidated by this. That's exactly what I am saying...why B6 would
40 Luv2fly : Well ORD you have one (somewhat) strong financial airline and another one in bankruptcy. Now is DTW you have a strong player and one that is known for
41 B757capt : JEt blue to GYY that would be sweet
42 Flairport : just for the record...there is no jetBlue Express...the EMB-190s are not RJs and seat like 100 people!
43 Cubsrule : I think B6 wants to avoid T-5 at ORD because the fees are much higher there.
44 Jetpixx : I think jetBlue offers a fine product. Earlier in the post, someone had said it is likely ROC, SYR, BUF and BTV will likely be served by the 190s when
45 Smcmac32msn : just for the record...there is no jetBlue Express...the EMB-190s are not RJs and seat like 100 people! Thank you... I didn't know the full scale set-u
46 Mizzou65201 : MKE seems to make the most sense... ORD--higher convenience factor to Chicagoland, but would add to (and put JBU subject too) all of ORD's delay probl
47 Jetpixx : Another post mentioned PHX will be getting new service. This seems to be more in line with what AKjetblue said about transcontinental and cruising spe
48 Leneld : Is portland even on Jetblue's radar?
49 Jetpixx : I am definitely just speculating, but that seems to be the route they are going. PDX would definitely need transcontinental service and the airport is
50 MAH4546 : Sure there are O/D pax between DTW/ORD and DTW/CVG. I have no doubt about that. But I do believe the majority on those flights are transits. I'd be in
51 ScottysAir : This is very expensives price from DTW-CVG runs and you should need to take on NW service to CVG make try cheaper price.
52 B2443 : MAH4546 Thanks for the numbers. What would be the total daily pax handy on DTW-ORD + ORD-DTW, and the same for DTW/CVG? ScottysAir Now that NW and DL
53 Luv2fly : Also if I remember correctly CO, DL and NW are unable to code shares strictly on flights that operate between each others hubs.
54 NWAFA : B2443, No competition? Lets see here... UA AA DL WN BA LH CO Spirit US all fly into DTW...so yea I see there is NO competition! Get real!
55 ScottysAir : B2443, If you need to cheaper price that way for CLE, CMH or CVG. It will need to make choose with Ohio's airports. Best if you can do that way for lo
56 MAH4546 : MAH4546 Thanks for the numbers. What would be the total daily pax handy on DTW-ORD + ORD-DTW, and the same for DTW/CVG? Those numbers are total O&D in
57 Midway2airtran : Suprised no one has mentioned STL despite its high landing fees. Be nice to see them here though I'm not sure if STL would work well in the current B6
58 B2443 : NWAFA, I guess that depends on what you call is a "competition". When DtwClipper had to pay $676 from DTW-DAY, I'd say that route does not have enough
59 Tekelberry : If JetBlue chose MKE as a new city, passengers wanting to travel to Chicago could just hop on the Amtrak at the new to-be-opened station at MKE and ta
60 InnocuousFox : "Suprised no one has mentioned STL despite its high landing fees. Be nice to see them here though I'm not sure if STL would work well in the current B
61 Jetpixx : It would be nice to see jetBlue in STL and possibly MCI. There is so much room for this great airline to expand - they've yet to scratch the surface.
62 FutureB6Capt : Nah...they were looking at CLE but after they toured and found out the prices for contracts ect, they found out it would be way too expensive to bring
63 ERJ170 : I hear the buzz is that B6 is interested in flying into both RDU and CLT. What about GSO? I heard they were trying to woo B6. if they flew into RDU, w
64 LGB Photos : I bet all of you would love to know where we will be going. Well........I could tell you.......but nah.
65 Post contains images FutureB6Capt : Where "we" will be going? What do you mean...next? B6 is going to PHX next and is looking at RDU...what else is to know -FutureB6Capt
66 MAH4546 : I bet all of you would love to know where we will be going. Well........I could tell you.......but nah. I've been told it's a Caribbean destination to
67 ERJ170 : sweet! Aruba! Now THAT's a cool destination! I thought B6 was looking at Canada next?
68 Jetpixx : jetBlue would be a great addition in places like YYZ and YVR. Can anyone explain why it is so expensive to fly into YYZ on most occasions?
69 Neednewairport : They are not in the midwest because no one wants to go there.....just kidding. Jetblue was born a trans-con low fare airline. If they continue their g
70 Gsoflyer : ERJ170, I don't know anything more than you other than JetBlue has visited GSO a few times in the past few months.
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