Jetpixx From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 811 posts, RR: 2 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4613 times:
Why is it that jetBlue does not fly anywhere near the midwest? Is it gate availability? I think they would make a great addition to CAK and some of the other airports that AirTran flies. I would love to have more options to the Cleveland area, even if it meant flying through IAD. I am so glad Independence Air is starting up services soon, although it will be some time from FLL still. Anyone know the specifics on that?
Iluv2pilot From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4402 times:
Expansion in the Midwest has always been a problem for many upstarts. The load factors are just not there at many airports to make it worthwhile. There's been talk of JetBlue using the 190, however, it's limited seating and cost per mile will be higher than the Airbus. JetBlue will have to pick and choose very carefully . Remember, they don't have to pick airports to keep competitors out, or to feed hubs, they will pick only on the basis of profitability.
Akjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4404 times:
The reason is simple: long hauls make more money. You can turn higher yields easier.
You burn a lot of gas crusing up to 30000 ft asl. Your dont' burn that much once you're up there at cruise. It doesn't make as much sense to climb up there for an hour an a half flight, when you could climb up there at sit at cruise for 4 or 5 hours.
Look at flt B6 52 JFK to BTV, you can't charge high fares on that market but you still have to climb upto a high crusiing alt such as maybe 20000 burning just as much gas to get to a cruising altitude as you would to say fly to LGB where you can get people to pay $200 to $300 for a one way ticket vs. a JFK BTV ticket which averages about $59 each way.
Before 9/11 jetBlue was planning on serving a number of cities in the midwest. IND was the main one, don't know if it's still planned tho. The A320 wasn't really designed to do lots of cycles on short hops like WN does with the 737. Mind you short hauls can be done, but it was said to me that it puts unneeded wear and tear on the aircraft. That was one of the reasons the EMB-190 is being brought into the B6 family.
More than likely, and this is just a guess from what i've heard; you'll see the short hauls out of JFK such as BUF, SYR and BTV go to like 10 flights a day with the EMB-190. Each one of those cities will continue to see A320s with florida service as well as westcoast service once they open the new west coast hub... Ops did I say new west coast hub?
In anycase, since we're excecised our options on the A320s and prob will on the 190s once they come online we'll be getting as many as 6 aircraft a month. From what I know as has been said in news releases they want to cover the midwest and east coast doing "point to point" flying. Even with the new JFK terminal being built there is just no way to have every flight going through JFK. Plus people like nonstops that are point to point. Who wants to go through a hub if they don't hafta, aside from all the A.netters.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4353 times:
I agree with you on that NW would fight its best to discourage any new comers from serving DTW. They have. However I'd like to see more competition at DTW for nonstop flights. Let's face it, the nonstops from DTW besides NW are
WN, nonstop to MDW and STL? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
UA, to ORD, IAD and DEN? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
DL, to ATL, CVG, and SLC? (who's gonna FLY to CVG besides transits)
AA, DFW, ORD, MIA? (who's gonna FLY to CHI besides transits)
CO, to EWR and IAH, CLE (who's gonna FLY to CLE from DTW besides transits)
US, to PIT and CLT, PHL (who's gonna FLY to CLE from DTW besides transits)
Spirit (NH?) to Florida, LAX, LGA on MD8*s/DC9s?
LH, AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA
Royal Jordanian, to Anman?
Chartes to the Carribeans?
It's not that I do not love to fly NW. I would fly NW just because DTW is my home airport and nothing beats a non-stop. Many times I am forced to fly non-NW because their nonstops are so expensive. I'd like to see competition in DTW to bring their airfares down so that I CAN fly NW.
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4272 times:
Sure there are O/D pax between DTW/ORD and DTW/CVG. I have no doubt about that. But I do believe the majority on those flights are transits. I'd be interested to know percentage wise how much on these routes is O/D and else.
For those in our company's regional office in Dayton, they'd rather drive up here. Even those fron Indy, let alone CLE based. Last December I had to spend a week near PIT, boy didn't I wish I had driven...
InnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4263 times:
Yep... wait for the -190s. You will either see them being placed in the Midwest or, as someone suggested, see the short haul/high frequency routes in the NE go to 190s and put the 320s on the Midwest/Plains runs.
OMA had damn well better be in there!
Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
B2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 680 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4139 times:
okay... so you get up at 6a, park your car at Mac Termainal ($10/day), hop on the Saab340 for an hr ($280 rt), get to DAY at 11:20am, pick up your rental ($70/day), exit DAY at 12:30p, have a quick lunch, meet your client at 1:30pm for 3 hrs, at 4:30, head back to DAY, return the rental, check-in, hop on another Saab, get to DTW at 7:30pm. Pick your car, exit DTW at 8:30pm. If you live in North Oakland County, you get home by 10pm, suppose your flights were all on time. How oftern do you have do this??? I guess one gets used to this?
Nearord From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 185 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3901 times:
"By the way the fare is a little more: Try R/t $676.00"
This is what kills me about Northwest lovers. You beg for competition, you get it, NW lowers its fares to match, then you fly NW instead of the competition, NW successfully runs out competition out of the market, and spikes prices again. I don't get it.
25 Smcmac32msn: I think it is about time they take a chance at MSN! Northwest717 - You took the words right out of my mouth. We could actually end up with jetBlue Exp
26 Kcrwflyer: Is it ok if i dream and hope that they're coming to CRW?
27 B2443: Dtwclipper, By the way the fare is a little more: Try R/t $676.00 Now there's no way I could do this (to DAY for that price) with my company...I did a
28 Tekelberry: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel just had an article about JetBlue, Milwaukee, and the Midwest recently. Link: http://www.jsonline.com/bym/news/jun04/23
29 B2443: Thanks Tekelberry for sharing the link. The article did not mention DTW but Milwaukee, Chicago and MSP were on B6's "radar". I wonder what makes DTW s
30 Dtwclipper: "I wonder what makes DTW so un-inviting..." One word----Northwest
31 B2443: Dtwclipper But B6 is targeting MSP, another NW hub. Chicago has UA, AA and WN, wouldn't that make Chicago a tougher market to crack in? Yet B6 targets