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Casm Of British Airways European Routes?  
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3378 posts, RR: 14
Posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

In 2001, I flew British Airways from LHR to Prague and back aboard a 757 in all coach configuration. Being from the US, I've become accustomed to airlines cutting corners on service, particularly on short-routes. On this 2-hour flight however, they served a full meal in both directions. In the US, we'd be lucky to get a bag of peanuts even in first class. There were also 6 cabin attendants on this flight, which compares 4 normally on US carriers. With this type of service, what is BA's CASM? Is it significantly higher than US carriers? It's too bad we can't seem to get any decent inflight service on short-hauls anymore in the US.

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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2292 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm afraid I don't know what CASM is. What I can say though is that it is doubtful that the BA 757 was in all economy (coach) configuration. It is European practice to have convertable seating on shorthaul aircraft so that the size of the business class cabin can be varied according to demand, i.e. up to 2/3 of the aircraft in some cases. On 737, 757 and A320 family aircraft this sees a 3+2 layout for business. The convertable seats are pushed together on one side, so that the middle seat is not in use, while the other five seats become wider due to the seats being spread out. On a widebody, e.g. 767, a 2-3-2 layout would become 2-2-2 in the case of BA. The advantage of this is that on routes with high demand for business class you can offer a lot of availability, changing to a higher economy offering on more leisure orientated routes. The mix can be altered between week days and weekends, and even between flights, thus allowing the opportunity to maximise revenues. In the US and Canada, the limited size of First Class means the premium cabin is often full.

Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3378 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

CASM is the acronym for Cost per Available Seat Mile. The BA 757 that I flew on was a 3x3 configuration throughout the entire cabin with blue leather seats. I believe it was designated Club Europe. The seat pitch, however, seemed to be slightly better than most Economy Class cabins I have come to know.

User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

it would have been as FlyCalenonian said
it looks like 3x3 but actually the middle of one set of 3 squashed together and the other set on the other side widens giving a 2x3 config

User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1844 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

BA has gone through some cutbacks ("service rationalisation") over the last few years, mainly in response to 9/11 and the onslaught of the low cost boys. However, the service is still good with food on all flights, even if it's just a sandwich on UK Domestic flights.

I can remember the early 90s when BA were making profits like mad....for London-Glasgow flights you'd get a full meal in coach, newspapers, tea/coffee, free alcoholic beverages....all on a 55 minute sector.

It amazes me for such a service-minded country, Americans put up with sh*t from their airlines. I can think of no US airline that can claim to be the 'best' in any service category of the world's airlines. You have to go to Asia and Europe to find quality it seems.

(E.g. I couldn't believe that on SAN-SFO, seated in 1B, all I got was a glass of sparkling wine and peanuts....very nice, but?????)

User currently offlineBy188b From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Ive flown Business LHR-AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA on a BA 757. The seating in business was 3x3, however the middle seat remained unsold.

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2292 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4870 times:

Jmc1975/By188b, as I said the seating converts so that it is offered as 2x3. The seats condense/expand to make them wider. Seat pitch is also slighter bigger than in the all economy sections. A moveable divider with curtains separates the seats being used as Club Europe from those sold as Euro Traveller. Thus at first glance it looks like 3x3, but is sold as 2x3 and the seat width is wider (Not the seat cushion, but rather space is put between the seats by moving them).

As I said, they vary the size of the Club Europe cabin according to demand, hence the fact that I've sat in 4A in Euro Traveller flying LGW-VCE. On the return flight the furthest forward I could get was 12A, due to the fact that the front 11 rows were Club Europe. On your 757 flight Jmc1975, one or possibly two whole cabin sections might have been exclusively Club Europe.

The below links for BA's website show seating plans for the 757-200, A320 and 737-400. The first one is Club Europe, the second is Euro Traveller. Note an A320 can be configured entirely in Club Europe layout!


And just for comparison below is the link for UK domestic seating on those three aircraft - all economy.


BA, and other European carriers, can tailor the layout to demand very quickly, so a 757 operating AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-LHR might have a very high number of Club Europe seats. If its next flight was LHR-BCN the demand might be less, so more Euro Traveller seats can be offered by altering the seat widths.

Let's Go British Caledonian!
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