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L1011 Emergency Landing At AMS  
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

'' Dutch Caribbean Exel flight that was departing Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport on Tuesday, operated by this L1011, was forced to abort its takeoff resulting in at least 7 blown tires and a fire in the brakes. The aircraft ended up stuck on the runway for hours.''
anyone knows where the flight destination was?


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
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User currently offlineAms From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

The destination should have been Curacao Island on the Netherlands Antillies.

Although I am not aware of this Emergency landing?. I know that a L1011 aircraft was planned to fly this Route.

Regards,
AMS



User currently offlineSxmna From Netherlands Antilles, joined Mar 2001, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7430 times:

The name is Dutch Caribbean Airlines and not Exel. The L1011 is leased from Air Luxor and had as destination the island of Curacao.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7314 times:

thx 4 the info guys.  Wink/being sarcastic)


Next destinations, Suarabaya, beirut, paris, Accra
User currently offlineStearmanNut From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7222 times:

Ah! Air Luxor! There's the answer. Am I wrong or have several of their aircraft been involved in incidents recently?


If wishes were horses, a Tail Dragger I would fly...
User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2900 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

I am not sure about any other Air Luxor L1011 incidents, they only had a nose gear collapse on an A320 recently at Funchal.

You might have heard about some aborted take-offs and other L1011 incidents that happened at LIS with Yes. Yes also operates L1011s (2 of them, and that's their entire fleet, see http://www.yes-charter.pt/English/fleet.html). Both Air Luxor's and Yes' L1011 fleet are former TAP aircraft. Yes is owned by TAP and a Portuguese travel agency. TAP has an excellent safety record and probably does the maintenance on the Tristars still - so I was surprised about those reports from LUSA:

"Yes Falha Terceiro Voo no Prazo de Uma Semana
Por LUSA
Terça-feira, 02 de Dezembro de 2003

A transportadora charter Yes, participada a 51 por cento pela TAP, falhou ontem o seu terceiro voo no prazo de uma semana, devido a problemas técnicos relacionados com os seus aviões. Ontem, o voo Lisboa-Cancun (México) previsto para as 11h00 foi abortado devido a uma "alteração dos parâmetros de um dos motores", segundo informou a própria companhia."

http://foruns.xl.pt/read.php?f=67&i=333&t=225

Translation:

Yes aborts third flight within one week (2 dec 2003).

The charter airline Yes, 51% owned by TAP, yesterday aborted its third take-off within one week, due to technical problems on its planes. Yesterday, the take-off of flight Lisbon-Cancun with STD 11.00 (operated by EuroAtlantic, however) was aborted due to a "alteration of the parameters of one of the engines" according to the company.



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

There was no Emergency landing, considering the fact it never even got of the ground.

During takeoff run the number 3 engine flamed out, causing panic in the cockpit. They hit the brakes, blocking several if not all wheels, which resulted in 7 flat tyres and fire in the brakes. The brakediscs were so hot, they got melted into the gear itself. runway 06 was blocked for the rest of the day because the wheels were completely blocked.

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7102 times:

Ah! Air Luxor! There's the answer. Am I wrong or have several of their aircraft been involved in incidents recently?


You are probably thinking of Luxor Air. A completely different company which was in trouble with the authorities in France.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

During takeoff run the number 3 engine flamed out, causing panic in the cockpit.

Flight crews train for this sort of event all the time, and I do mean ALL the time. There IS no panic in the cockpit in this situation.

RTO's can certainly result in blown/deflated tires (and extremely hot brakes, sometimes leading to wheel fires) if done close enough to V1, and especially if the aircraft is particularly heavy (that would be a fairly long flight for the L1011). It's happened before and it will assuredly happen again.

I suggest you do a bit more research before wording something like that. Flight crews do not "panic" in situtations such as this.



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineYEGPIX From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 159 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5253 times:

I have a picture of what I believe to be the same airline and aircraft type in the que right now which I took at AMS Schipol the day after this incident. But I don't know how to post it up here in the forums so we can view it. Kevin

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

You are probably thinking of Luxor Air. A completely different company which was in trouble with the authorities in France.

And not just France. France was in fact one of the few countries they were still allowed to fly to before the crash...
Most anyone else had already revoked their landing rights due to the unsafe operations of the airline.

Shortly after the accident the company was dismantled.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Few things....

An aircraft taking off doesnt have an emergency landing at the same time  Nuts
Rejected takeoff....now those are fun !
Panic in the cockpit? right! Happens all the time




Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9855 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

For your information,

The L-1011 only has 6 tyres in total (4 main landing gear & 2 nosewheel tyres), so 7 blown tyres is not even possible. According to the local newspaper in Curaçao, only 4 tyres were blown in the incident. Anyway, yesterday when I went to work, I still saw the L-1011 parked at KLM Cargo's freight terminal. Anyone knows when it will be fixed? Or is it fixed already?

Groeten,

A388


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

A388

You are mistaken. the L1011 has 8 main gear and 2 nose gear tires.


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9855 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4710 times:

Owww, pffff oops. Sorry, you are right, haha. I just woke up. Anyway, you are right. Thanks for the correction my friend.

For the ones interested, I have uploaded my photo's of Surinam Airways' 747-300 taken at Schiphol. Check them out on my website:

http://rogereuropeanaviation.freeservers.com

Regards A388  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

ok, maybe not panic in the cockpit, but they completely misjudged the situation. They ended up with 1/4th of the runway left. They could have just braked a little easier.

Wietse



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineFJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

I departed runway 06-24 on Tuesday to STN. That was around 09.45 local time (GTM+1). On what time did this incident occurred?

FJWH



FlightS in the next 3 months: MSP, PHX, MEM, NCE, TFS, BCN. All round trips from AMS
User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

In regards to Reply #10 -- Luxor Air did not crash. It was Flash Airlines who crashed. Luxor Air is still alive and kicking.

User currently offlineTripple7 From Netherlands, joined Aug 1999, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

I found some pictures of the incident
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?230953
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?230954
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?230941
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?231452
http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.cgi?231848


User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

Most anyone else had already revoked their landing rights due to the unsafe operations of the airline.

Just want to add that all bans regarding Luxor Air have been lifted and that they're allowed to fly into European airspace again.

BTW Is the plane flying again?? According to the AMS website a L1011 left for CUR on the DCA flight. Is this the dame aircraft?


User currently offlineErwin972 From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 500 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Nope, I thought CS-TMR it is still on the platform at Schiphol.

But unfortunately, the sistership CS-TMP also flying for DCA had a similar incident on Curacao CRU today, with blown tires after a rejected take-off.

Read more:
http://scramble.ykoon.nl/viewtopic.php?t=9063

Kind regards,
Erwin



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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

The plane is from AIR LUXOR from PORTUGAL

User currently offlineSabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2714 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Those Air Luxor L-1011s surely do have a lot of engine problems lately.

A few months back, SN Brussels Airlines chartered the same Air Luxor L-1011 for a few weeks when one of their A330-300s was in heavy maintenance and guess what? You're right: it suffered an engine problem in BRU! Bad luck you say, but wait...

As if that was not enough, a few days later the same plane had to come back to Brussels because the A/P did not work properly....

And the best of all:
on the return flight from FIH - LAD, visibility at BRU was apparently too bad to land (the plane is only CAT I) so the crew decided on their own (without calling SN Flight Ops!) to divert to Frankfurt and wait there on the ground for improvement without informing SN! Only when the crew was out of duty did they inform SN they were stuck at Frankfurt! (a destination SN does not serve, so you can imagine the nightmare to bring those pax back to BRU!) Obviously, they should have called before diverting, then they would have been instructed to go to some closer airport or at least an airport SN serves.

Anyway, no more Air Luxor at SN!



User currently offlineWing From Turkey, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 1572 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

ok, maybe not panic in the cockpit, but they completely misjudged the situation. They ended up with 1/4th of the runway left. They could have just braked a little easier.

Before making any comments about what the flight crews "should" do we must have access to information about what had happened in the cockpit during the incident.Also having some qualified information about what the procedure is for a rejected take off will help.This comment surely doesn't have both.

Before all T/O's all data required for a RTO is calculated according to the days temp,rwy lenght,AC weight etc.So its neither panic nor misjudgement involved to stop earlier than the rwy end.Its really hard to stop and accelerating beast to a halt on a hot day,the tyre burst isn't a remote posibility.

There are situations that the pilots have to decide and act quickly and correctly.A fire for example.In such situation you wont think about bursting tire,your priority is to stop the airplane quickly ,fight the fire and decide and order if an evacuation is necassary.No pilot will think about using the all runway to save tyres when stopping is possible.

The time is very important in such situations.A few seconds may differ between life and death for passengers.No one will appreciate you saving 6 tyres,but killing some people on the other end.The Saudi Arabian accident is a very good example for this.Instead of stopping as quick as posibble crew continued taxying while there is a fire in the cabin,with emergency crew trailing the AC,resulting all passengers and crew to die.






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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

A new look at the landing gear:
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25 Kellmark : Might be a problem with the anti-skid system. These types of blowouts are unusual. But you can see just one spot on each tire where they must have fro
26 Lj : The Dutch Civil Aviation authority has already announced that any Air Luxor (or associated airline) L1011 will receive a warm welcome followed by a cl
27 Post contains links and images FJWH : You've problably seen this picture already because it was the "Top of Yesterday" picture but if you didn't here it is: View Large View MediumPhoto &co
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