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1st Civil Airliner To Fly Supersonic  
User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4187 times:
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Which aircraft was the first to fly supersonic? I did a search and can't find the answer in these forums, although I found it elsewhere and was surprised. Any takers? It's worth a drink at the LeBourgetAirSHowMeet next year if you get it and show.


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

wasnt it aeroflot with the 1st superssonic a/c? not too sure


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

A dc-8 was the first to fly as a civil supersonic airliner on August 21, 1961.

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4103 times:

1) TU-144 or Concorde, if you mean pass.a/c!

2) Chuck Yeager in 1947, dont remember the name of his plane though.

Mike  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

3) Convair 990??

Mike



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4085 times:

TU-144 flew before the Concorde....

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

Sorry guys,

The answer is the DC-8, as I said in my above post.

it wasn'tn until June 5 1969 that the TU-144 flew and Oct 1 1969 for the Concorde.


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Captain Yeager flew the X-1 in 1947.
The aircraft was a USAAF project though (possibly in cooperation with NACA) and therefore not civilian.

Even before that aircraft had broken the sound barrier but never in level flight.
Documented examples include F-86 Sabres and (though sometimes disputed) Me-262 aircraft as far back as 1943 or 1944 that survived without critical damage.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Jwenting:

The question was civil airliner.

dtwclipper


User currently offlineCorners From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

It was a Canadian Pacific Airlines DC-8 (43?) in a shallow dive testing in California in the early 60's



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Yup, that CPA DC-8 has the title.


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User currently offlineKingGeo3 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Does anyone here know how long was the duration of the supersonic flight was for the DC-8?

Was the flight

    Sustained (1 minute or longer) or,
    A very brief period where the flight crew realized they had pushed the plane a little too far?

Also, how many other civilian airliners have done this feat? I don't think too many of the modern airliners with the high-bypass ratio turbofans would be able to pull this off because they essentially have the same limitations as prop-jets in regards to supersonic flight.

-KG3


[Edited 2004-07-10 16:57:43]


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

It was done intentionaly not by Canadian, but by Douglas at Edwards Air Force Base.

The pushover was initiated at 52,090 feet abd recovery commeced at 42000 feet.

The highest speed was Mach 1.012 (660.6mph)

Test crew:

Bill Magruder
Paul Patten
Joseph Tomich



User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Also, how many other civilian airliners have done this feat?


EgyptAir's SU-GAP, a 763ER, surpassed the sound barrier as well...

...though, the results thereafter were rather tragic  Sad


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

C-boy:

That statement was rude!!  Sad

Dont make a joke of a tragedy that cost several life......

Mike//SE



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

If we start making jokes about "supersonic" aircrashes, we´re way off topic!!

My $ 294.000

Mike/SE



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

If we start making jokes about "supersonic" aircrashes, we´re way off topic!!

Pray tell... what was the joke?

The fact remains that the airframe did exceed supersonic speeds in what could have been a controlled free-fall


User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3709 times:
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dtwclipper You are correct sir! Yessir, the aircraft hit mach 1.012 in a test done by douglas at edwards, and just to make SOlnabo happy ChuckYeager was flying an F-104 chase plane next to it. The feat was not repeated after this on purpose, but the DC-8's bondafides were set in stone. No wonder they are still flying strong today!

c-boy...Leave it to you to take this to the next level....what did I tell you about the villagers and their torches? dude, that was cold hearted, I mean there probably was some kind of a record set for fastest powered and probably controlled descent by an airliner, but I don't think I'da told that ... i'll repeat it though!  Big grin

[Edited 2004-07-11 00:00:54]

[Edited 2004-07-11 00:02:43]


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

So, where do I collect my Drink?

User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3699 times:
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At LeBourget next year at the Air Salon. We will be posting a thread on this later. See you there. Ian


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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
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C-boy, if you make it I'll buy you one too, just for being the well-informed, yet amusingly ascerbic smart ass you are.


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User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

OMG, why are you all jumping on C-Boy? He just stated the sad truth. Somebody asked a question and he answered, stating that the results were tragic! I mean, it wasn't a joke and he wasn't making a smart-ass remark at the expense of those poor people on that Egypt Air 763ER. He wasn't out to make fun of them. Even if his comment came off as disrespectful, I am sure he did not mean it to. Yes, it may have been slightly inappropriate to bring an air crash into the conversation, but his point was legitimate. I'm sure he didn't mean to come off as disrespectful.

-Tim


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

I seem to recall a 747 over Canada doing the same back in the late 1980s or early 90s in an emergency situation like depressurization.

User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
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Dude, relax....I was poking fun at him, and if he took it wrong he is certainly capable of responding. He made a point that, whether it was serious or intended to be funny, made everyone step back and say "uh, did he say that?"

His ability to pull factoids like and inject them into forums is one of the reasons everybody reads him, his tendency toward dry humor is one of the reasons most people seem to enjoy it.



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User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

This is interesting....

But have any of these aircraft (other than the TU144 and Concord) ever done it with PAX onboard?

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


25 Post contains images Dl021 : oh, heck no, at least not on purpose...outside of any fatal incidents. The ride it takes to get supersonic in a turbojet aircraft would be pretty roug
26 Whitehatter : I am sure I read somewhere that the DC-8 also took some damage on its supersonic flight.
27 Dl021 : Pick up the latest issue of "WINGS" magazine and take a look. I did not read of any damage, but will investigte other sources. Hey, this is a good rea
28 Gigneil : A China Airlines 747SP also exceeded the sound barrier when it lost some 20,000 ft of altitude over the Pacific, yet managed to limp to the USA and la
29 Dtwclipper : There was no damage to the A/c. See: Great Airliners, Volume II, Douglas DC-8, Terry Waddington World Transport Press, Miami , 1996
30 Cicadajet : EL AL 747. During tests after the crash in Europe.
31 AirxLiban : didn't some Pan Am 707 also get into a nose dive on the way to hawaii and then attain supersonic speeds? something about the wings being permanently b
32 DLKAPA : Didn't the first 747 airframe to be tested hit .99 mach in a shallow dive?
33 Lufthansa : I'm with those that say Concordeboy.... ur out of order. whilst I respect the fact that you are extremely knowledgeable, is it really necessary to mak
34 Post contains images TransPac : This topic is discussing pax planes that have gone supersonic. I don't think ConcordeBoy was being disrespectful nor do I feel that his response was u
35 B747FE : "Glamorous Glennis" is the name of the X1, used by Chuck Yeager in 1947 to do it.
36 Post contains images Dl021 : Hey, this was meant to be lighthearted folks....take a little trivia quiz and turn it into a hem-haw. Quit taking things so seriously all the time. Be
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