Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8 Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5277 times:
You know, much to my satisfaction, I just realized that NONE of my long-haul flights have been Airbus:
JFK-TLV Tower Air 747
TLV-JFK Tower Air 747
JFK-LHR Virgin Atlantic 742
LHR-JFK Virgin Atlantic 742
JFK-LHR American 777
LHR-JFK American 777
MIA-MAD American 763
MAD-MIA American 763
EWR-TLV El Al 777
TLV-JFK El Al 744
MIA-EZE American 777
EZE-MIA American 763
JFK-LHR American 777 (Planned)
LHR-RDU American 777 (Planned)
In facy, the longest I've ever flewn in an Airbus was about 2 hours (JFK-MIA-JFK AA A300). I guess, because of my experiances, I can't see Airbus as a long haul aircraft. I know they fly long haul each day for many carriers, but it just seems odd to me. Does Airbus differ from Boeing from a pax perspective?
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5053 times:
I too have never had any long hauls on an airbus a/c. And even though I hate airbus I do not select this at all. I will take what ever a/c is available. The longest airbus ride I've been on was SFO-YYZ on an AC 320. I was due to fly LH LAX-MUC but switched to LAX-FRa. I am interested in a long haul on maybe a 346 or SQ 345 some day soon. Does SQ operate a 345 to HKG from LAX, I think SFO is still a 777. I think it would be worth the extra leg (SFO-LAX) to try out this new bird(s).
SFO-HKG UA744 X 4
SFO-FRa UA772 X 2
LAX-FRa LH744 X 1
SFO-PEK Air China 744 X 1
LAX-SYD UA744 X 1
LHR-SFO BA744 X 2
SFO-CDG AF744 X 1
And when going to the EU with a pit stop in either ORD or IAD there I normally go from a UA 763/772 to a UA 772/763 for the hop over the pond.
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2397 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
I've flown Boeing and Airbus for flights of more than 9 hours...
My honest opinion? You can hardly tell the difference. For instance, the 340 markets itself as the quieter airliner... what do you want me to say; after 20 minutes I just ignore the plain sound of all aircrafts I've been (the ear just get used to it), so that's not even a great difference.
For some reason I still prefer Boeing... but there is not reason for not liking Airbus, just a matter of taste. I've feel very comfortable in both. Do you know what do I actually like of the 340? the rear galley, so wide!
But that's all; what matters or makes a difference for my is:
- Wide/Narrow body.
Boeing or Airbus, short or long hault; the difference is made by the airline. Both are fine!
in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
GSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2749 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4990 times:
I've flown LH A340 AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-ATl in '96, CSA (Czech) A310 NYC-PRG roundtrip in 2000 and '02 (one segment in Business class), and US A330 CLT-LGW in '01 (was in London when 9/11 happened). Found all, including the aging A310's to be entirely comfortable. I can't tell the difference, but my partner swears that Airbus coach seats feel roomier than Boeings... Matter of opinion, I guess.
Mdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4097 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4986 times:
I once flew from LHR to LAX on a VS A343. It was NOT a good experience. The seats were not comfortable (the one in front of me was broken), it looked old, and was not all that quiet like a lot of Airbus fans claimed. That that I had flown on an EK 773 right before that. However I know that it was just one instance, so I'm still open to flying on an Airbus. I do like the A320 even though I think that the 737 has better looks.
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Ba319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8267 posts, RR: 56 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4941 times:
On what basis to you 'hate' Airbus aircraft? - have they caused you some kind of trauma?
Do you have good reason or it it just a daft statement?
I prefer Airbus narrowbodys due to the width of the fuselage,they feel so much more roomy than Boeing narrowbodys.Regarding widebodys,I prefer the A330/340 & 767 over the 777 & 747 due to the seating layout.
I may prefer Airbus,but I don't hate Boeings,they make fine aircraft,always have and will continue to do so.
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4891 times:
I'm sorry. Maybe Hate was the wrong word. Let's try don't trust? I know then I get the whole well how many airbus a/c do you see falling out of the skis and what not. IN MY PERSONAL OPPINION I find that airbus a/c are less reliable. In 20 years when there are 777's and NG737's stacked up in the desert and A380's roaming the skis then I will happily change my opinion but as of now I find that Boeing a/c are better built, made for the customer, and are an overall better quality. But we can debate this later. That's my reasoning for my comment and I'm sorry if I have offended anyone who has read it.
Ba319-131, Thank you for pointing that out for me. I will be sure to correct myself in future posts. Feel free to email me and we can point out our own pro's and con's of airbus vs. Boeing in a clam and, unheated(?) manner, I myself am getting a bit tired of the battles that ensue in the forums (sorry if I started it with that comment).
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4841 times:
I mean, I flew the A321 on Aer Lingus (LHR-DUB-LHR), the A300 with AA JFK-MIA-JFK), and the A320 with Iberia (BCN-MAD) and will fly the A319/320 on BA soon (LHR-AMS, DUS-LHR). Also, I am on a BMI A320 from LHR-INV. But I allways prefered the 737s. They may not be roomier in reality (narrower) but they feel wider.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4778 times:
After 4 flights on A330s, 8 on A340s, 28 on B747s, 9 on B767s, 1 on a B777 and 2 on MD11s of 8 hours or more, the A340 (and I've only flown on the -300) is my favorite long haul aircraft.
It's quieter than the others and whether or not the plane needs a bit to get airborne (yes, it does need quite a while for that) to me is just about the most irrelevant point of flying. So it accellerates slower than other planes - so what? It gets off the ground just as the other planes, and as long as that works, I wouldn't mind if it were half as fast while doing that...
Anyhow, concerning comfort - the only thing that can really be attributed to Airbus, Boeing or - RIP - McDD, is the noise, the general atmosphere (i.e. lighting, spaciousness) and the practicabillity (overhead bins easy to open/close, ...).
Whether the seat is comfortable, the pitch is enough, the IFE is good, the meal is tasty or the inflight magazine is interesting only has to do with the airline - and is by no means a way to qualify or disqualify a manufacturer... otherwise, you'd never see me flying B767s again, after a not-so-fun flight on Air Zimbabwe with the seat in front of me broken, causing the passengers head to be about 15cm in front of my fact for takeoff/landing (because his seatback wouldn't stay in the up-position).
So, to sum things up, much to my satisfaction I have had the opportunity to fly on longhaul routes on longhaul planes by three manufacturers, and I've been able to form my opinion from that - and not the, to my eyes and ears, always quite strange "I don't like that manufacturer - I've never flown on one of their planes, but I know they're not as good as the ones of the manufacturer I like" line... that always sounds to me as if the person saying it is actually afraid that he/she might actually prefer the "other guy's" products, once they've actually tried them.
Flyboy36y, try to fly an A330/A340 next time you take a long haul - then you'll be able to judge it for yourself... whatever you read here is simply personal opinions - and your personal perception might, in the end, be a completely different one to what you've expected it would be...
TransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4756 times:
For instance, the 340 markets itself as the quieter airliner... what do you want me to say; after 20 minutes I just ignore the plain sound of all aircrafts I've been (the ear just get used to it), so that's not even a great difference.
Good point, Arcano. Its not like the sound of a modern turbofan is that annoying anyway. IMO, its a fairly relaxing white noise that blends into the background once you reach cruise. If we were still using turbojets, well that would be a different story! As for the original topic, the longest Airbus flight I've been on was SEA-PHL on US. I think it was an A321. However, I'm looking forward to PDX-NRT on NW's new 332 early next year.
BMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
The best long-haul I've ever been on was on SK 330 from ORD to ARN (mainly because I had 4 seats for myself) The fan I use in my room during hot summer nights makes more noise than those engines!
The 747 I was on from AMS to Minneapolis was a lot louder and didn't come close to the level of comfort that the 330 did.
If the climb path doesn't interfere with anything solid, I'm fine (no pro-Airbus thing, the 744 doesn't exactly have an astonishing ROC at MTOW either) Anyone in here in a hurry to get to cruise alt. or what?
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4629 times:
Seems to me this is turning into another silly Airbus vs. Boeing thread...
I have no particular preference over aircraft as long as it doesn't say "cdelaho b CCCP". I think it's THE AIRLINE and THE CREW what makes the difference - as someone pointed out in a thread about possible 7E7 redesign: ordinary customer does not care about the a/c itself, it's the legroom, the service, safety record, etc.
I've flown with LH's 744 AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA - LAX - AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA - one crew excellent, nice, friendly despite all toilets in Y had to be flushed with apple juice. On our way back, same aircraft but 100% difference in attitude of the crew . ZRH-DEL-ZRH onboard Swiss' A330 was very enjoyable experience, whereas BA's LHR-PHL 777 flight was close to the definition of a nightmare. AA's A300 JFK-LHR or DL's 777 ATL-LGW? Can't tell the difference since both sucked!
I personally find A319/320 much quieter than 737s but does it significantly influence my airline preference...NO!
Starlionblue From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 15872 posts, RR: 66 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
I think the A340 2-4-2 seating beats the 777 2-5-2/3-3-3, but it's no huge deal. Just feels more roomy and less cramped. Still, the 777 is just fine too. I don't really mind either. The only one that feels like a flying cattlecar is the 747, especially if you're in the middle somewhere.
As for the noise, well, noise cancellation headphones take care of that in any case!
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots." - from Citadel by John Ringo
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4213 times:
The only one that feels like a flying cattlecar is the 747, especially if you're in the middle somewhere.
An A310-204 from HLF with 3-3-3 seating is even worse.
Apart from two 4 hour trips I have never flown longer legs on Airbus.
I think 2-3-2 and 2-4-2 seating beats 3-3-3 or 2-5-2.
25 Tubbyboeing: Good...don't ever fly on one. I flew a SA A342 JNB-PER last month...man the worst experience ever. The seats were narrow, and very, very uncomfortable
26 AC345: I have flown long haul on A332, A333, A346, MD11, B747, B767 and B777 and I enjoyed them all. However I have a preference for the Airbuses and the B76
27 Leskova: Tubbyboeing, where do I begin... Seats narrow and uncomfortable? Yes, Airbus does that on purpose, to have everyone wanting to fly Boeings... The airl
28 Mdsh00: Wouldn't that be the responsibility of the airline to maintain their interiors rather than a failing of the manufacturer? Yes I realize that. But you
29 Steph001: I have been on an A330 with US Airways from FRA to PHL . Plane was great, IFE was great and we had no great turbulence on that flight. I think the com
30 Continental: Yeah I've done it a few times. I've also done 747-400 longhaul, and I can say that they are pretty much the same. I've done: FRA-ORD Lufthansa A340-30
31 AIR757200: I'm open to flying any type of plane and like my first post, I only have one Airbus flight logged. http://members.aol.com/AIR757200/air757.htm, I wou
32 Kosmonaute: The only one that feels like a flying cattlecar is the 747, especially if you're in the middle somewhere. I absolutely agree....I've never been on a 7
33 SkyTeamNo1: my best fly ever was a YUL-CDG on an AC's 343 i had the sensation of being on a very "chic" cabin, as it was roomy, not cramped, silent and well illum
34 Geoffm: FWIW I flew EK, first an A330 then a B777 straight afterwards, each flight about 6 hours. Once on board, with the same decor, there is barely any majo
35 Sjc>sfo: I've gotta' say that I really can't stand the 747 in economy. The 3-4-3 seating is really uncomfortable, and the legroom typically isn't fantastic. I'
36 WindowSeat: Most of my long haul flights have been on the A343 or the B744, particularly F-GLZK and G-VFAB. A343 is great for long haul, and so is the B744 (if y
37 Rmenon: There is far more difference between airlines than airplane manufacturers. If you are flying in the front cabins, no difference whatsoever, except for
38 Carlos1979: I've had to pleasure to fly the A330 across Atlantic longhaul on both US Airways and Northwest. Both trips were extremely comfortable, even for a 6'3"
39 Starlionblue: There is far more difference between airlines than airplane manufacturers. Rmenon has hit the nail on the head. VS has cool furnishings on most planes
40 Henpol747: If you haven´t had an airbus lon-haul flight the I must assume that you don´t fly much. Sorry
41 Flyboy36y: I may actually be on a LX A340 later this month (ZRH-TLV), but at 4.5 hours its not really long haul...
42 SIMPLICITY: Not much difference indeed. The A340 will take 20 mins more than a B744 on LHR-HKG, which is a 12 hour flight. You'll find the Airbus will be quieter
43 Archie: I flew on Iberia`s A340-300 from ORD to MAD. The airplane was fine, although take off as some have mentioned a little slow. I felt the seats quite unc
44 Jkw777: Hi there! I have flown an Airbus 3 times long haul on board a A343 and a A332. But also many short haul flights have been on Buses I found the A343 to
45 Leskova: Justin, are you sure about the 3-4-3 config on an A330? I've had the misfortune to be on an occasional Airbus in 3-3-3 config, and I always thought th
46 Iberia340600: These A vs. B wars are really quite ridiculous and truthfully...tiring. It is so annoying to come here and everyday see something in regards to...Boei