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Will American Eagle Ever Come To CRW?  
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 23 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

I just had to ask, because we need service to NYC and a beach, so MIA would be perfect also, for beach travelers and connectors. They left CRW in the 70's. Will they ever come back? And why not? All of the airlines here are doing good. To All Employees of all airlines, has anyone heard any talks of CRW? Or are we still on the bottom of the to do list as i like to call it?

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 21 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

A CO ExpressJet to EWR would probably perform pretty well, considering the fact that there is such substantial connection traffic available at CO's EWR hub.

I bet that they could fill at least an ERJ-135.


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (10 years 20 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

I think the most likely candidate for CRW-NYC service would have to be US/Colgan to LGA.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

I too think that Co could do the 135 to EWR.

Why could colgan be the most likely candidate? I think we could fill an rj to NYC.

Has anyone actually heard talks from their airline about new service in CRW?

What about NW replacing those saabs? They should rreplace their 9:20 flight and another afternoon flight with CRJ's because the saabs are always full on those flights. And i mean always.


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

CO would be able to offer much more connection traffic out of EWR as well as O&D to fill up the flight, whereas US would have to basically rely strictly upon O&D to service it.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

thats very true. Though there is a descent amout of O&D. Dont believe what faremeasure.com says, im using data from the airport director.

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

The o/d to the Miami/Ft lauderdale area is around 30 passengers a day, Chicago is something like 15, Dallas and St Louis are even lower. New York only has something like 44 without a hub on the other end isn't really feasible. The service you guys have does you nicely.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 hours ago) and read 3733 times:

did you even read what i said? Obviously not. Faremeasure is inaccurate. The accurate stats come from our airport director/manager, Whom i frequently speak to via e-mail.

And how do you know that the service we have does us nicely?


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Faremeasure matches up with the stats given out by the government. I looked at what you guys have, matched it up with the demand, and came to the conclusion that the demand is pretty much met.

I matched St Louis' numbers up that were in the paper and the numbers that were on faremeasure and they matched to a tee.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

but when did the government measure this information? e-mail rick@yeagerairport.com , tell him who you are and what you want to know regarding passenger boardings and O&D.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 3700 times:

Another thing about our airport is that if you bring it, they will come. For example, US used to fly 2 dash 8's a do328 and 2 erj's from CLT. They just changed that to 3 erjs, 1 dash 8 and a do 328. All flights are running great loads even though the possible seats increased by 13. ASA used to fly 3 a day to ATL, Last year they increased service to 5 a days, and all flights are full. Yeagers passenger boardings are up 15% from last year and still growing. And so i say with the LGA, JFK, EWR, and MIA flights. If they bring it, they will come. As a matter of fact, They were negotiating with Hooters Air for flights to EWR, continuing to MYR.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

CO would be able to offer much more connection traffic out of EWR as well as O&D to fill up the flight, whereas US would have to basically rely strictly upon O&D to service it.

Where exactly are they going to connect to that they can't out of LGA? The Northeast? US has just as many connecting opportunites to NE cities as CO does from LGA.

Europe? The Caribbean? That's what US's CRW-PHL is for. Very few people are going to use EWR to connect to Florida. They'll choose CLT or ATL instead.


User currently offlineCody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 3688 times:

Kcrwflyer,

Back in 1995 I toured Continental's scheduling department. Four different route planners told me that CRW was being analyzed and that it would most likely be the next city added from EWR. I believe they said ATR's would operate the route. I guess things fell through, but I know it was planned. As for American Eagle it's anyone's guess. I would say ORD would make more sense than MIA or JFK. Did you know that in 1992 AA mainline flew to Greenbrier with 727's? Prior to that American served Elkins. I believe that was in the 1960's. I knew a girl who used to be a stewardess for American and she flew into Elkins quite often. She said she was "scared to death" flying in there.

I flew four trips to CRW last week on the ERJ. All flights from PIT were near capacity. PHL was still running a little slow averaging 15 pax per flight.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

yes, the PHL flight always comes in full or goes out full, but never both. Didnt know about greenbrier though.

"Europe? The Caribbean? That's what US's CRW-PHL is for. Very few people are going to use EWR to connect to Florida. They'll choose CLT or ATL instead."

Thats true. As a matter of fact, ASA could take one of its CRJ flights and divert it to MCO each day, and all of the customers would most likely be at their final destination. As ironic as that sounds. AA couldnt fly to ORD because UA owns that market. I suggested MIA because West Virginians love the beach, and they can connect through MIA. Would DFW work better?


User currently offlineMcmahonsmr From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Interesting post - my sister traveled last weekend to visit a friend in CRW. I booked the ticket and was surprised there was not a single flight from any NYC airport to CRW. So, her routing was on US from LGA-CLT-CRW-PHL-LGA.

Coming home, her flight to PHL, the Mesa 2788 flight, was delayed for approximately 2 hours. I got the calls for alternatives and I have to say it was tough, especially since it was July 4 weekend.

I checked the FIDS display from the CRW website and I noted there was no AA Eagle flights. I doubt you'd see a flight to MIA - but ORD or DFW once a day could do the trick. But I definitely think that co could fill a 135 for both O&D operations and connections to their intercontinental flights. If anything I'd say CRW should be pulling for CO service.

It's nice to see that DH will be starting service soon to IAD.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

You thing that AE could honestly compete with Uex on the ORD route? And we need DFW for connection purposes.

And DH will only add to our existing 6 flights a day to washington. 3 do DCA, 3 to IAD.

I am also amazed that there is no service to NYC. I think we could support a flight to LGA and to EWR. LGA for NYC and EWR for NYC and connecting purposes.

Airlines just dont care about us.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Perhaps AmConn could do a CRW-STL-MIA or CRW-STL-FLL segment? I personally believe that EVERY airport east of the Mississippi should have some sort of N/S service to 2 destinations.. NY and DC.. that should be a MUST! Those are the 2 necessities for most economies. Even if it is spread out between (EWR, JFK, LGA, ISP, White Plains, Stewart) or (DCA, IAD, BWI). They are all commutable distance to the final destination.


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

why the stl thing? nobody in CRW wants to go to STL.

we have tons of washington. In a few weeks , weel almost have hourly service to DC. No airlines will fly to NY from CRW though.


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

while were talking about CRW, why did delta change the CVG service to all frj's? and give crj's to HTS?

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Who thinks Hooters will actually come? their still in negotiations apparently.

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7499 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3458 times:

Kcrwflyer,

You propose interesting questions, but unfortunetly the airline world does not revolve around CRW. While you may feel it is most important, in the grand scheme of the national air transportation network, and it most airline's eyes it is not, due to its size. Neither you or I are privy to the tools that route planners use to determine new routes and markets. Population size is only one aspect, along with economic factors, business support, and the overall demand for air service. While CRW may be up 15% from last year, look into why there was an increase. Was it because travel was supressed due to the rebound from 9/11, war in Iraq, etc. Was it because airlines unnecessairly reduced capacity and have added it back? Or is it because the area has grown? More likely its a combination of the 3 reasons.

Your chances of seeing Eagle at CRW are pretty slim. CRW-ORD likely won't happen. You have many larger markets in the East coast that AA/Eagle do not operate to and would be ahead of the list before CRW. AA focuses primarily on strong business markets out of ORD and really does not have a lot additional space in ORD to spend on what I would call a third-tier market like CRW. United is stronger in ORD and flies to many smaller markets, this is part since it can leverage its stronger presence in the East due to the IAD hub and be the airline of choice for people at CRW who are both east and westbound. AA doesn't fly to places like LAN, FNT, CHS, SAV, ROA, ISP, ABE, etc. Several of these I would expect to see before CRW. Plus Eagle isn't too keen on opening new stations. Only DL Connection and NW Airlink appear to be adding destinations while United and AA are more or less operating on status quo in the domestic United States.

DFW-CRW, nope, you'd see service to DFW before ORD. You'd severely limit the number of connections at DFW versus ORD, and ORD won't happen for the reasons mentioned. BUF doesn't even have service to DFW on AA or Eagle, nor does MDT.

As for NW operating Saabs. Again, you will not see all of the Saabs replaced into CRW. Right now Pinnacle has taken delivery of 100 CRJ's with only 29 remaining on order. Through the fall all new deliveries have been penciled in for expansion and additional capacity. CRW is not a market that will see them for the forseeable future. You may see one or two flights replaced in the future if demand warrents. Right now its summer, and all flights are full, heck the load factor is in the 80% range. Fact is all flights CRJ's and Saabs are going out relatively full. Now what will be the story during the other 9 months out of the year? Mesaba operates 64 Saabs right now, and other than the 4 remaining A models which may or may not be retired in the near future (story changes on a montly basis it seems) and they will all be around for a while, and will need a place to fly, hence CRW is one of those markets. NW pulled our one CRJ out of SCE and now we're back to all 4 daily Saabs. Might get a CRJ back in the fall, but we'll see.

DL is now flying more FRJ's out of CVG operated by ACA since they were pulled out of BOS and East coast flying as resources where shifted around. More 50 seat flying by Comair is happening there to consolidate the FRJ's at CVG, which in the end should help to increase reliabilty and reduce flight delays. Capacity can be better matched with demand at CVG by having the option of an aircraft smaller than the 50 seat CRJ's. Again in SCE, they pulled all 3 CRJ's and replaced them with smaller FRJ's.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32567 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3451 times:

Very good points, PSU.DTW.SCE, I agree with you. Though, on a side note, American Eagle does fly to Islip.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3789 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3448 times:

"Your chances of seeing Eagle at CRW are pretty slim. CRW-ORD likely won't happen. You have many larger markets in the East coast that AA/Eagle do not operate to and would be ahead of the list before CRW. AA focuses primarily on strong business markets out of ORD and really does not have a lot additional space in ORD to spend on what I would call a third-tier market like CRW. United is stronger in ORD and flies to many smaller markets, this is part since it can leverage its stronger presence in the East due to the IAD hub and be the airline of choice for people at CRW who are both east and westbound. AA doesn't fly to places like LAN, FNT, CHS, SAV, ROA, ISP, ABE, etc. Several of these I would expect to see before CRW. Plus Eagle isn't too keen on opening new stations. Only DL Connection and NW Airlink appear to be adding destinations while United and AA are more or less operating on status quo in the domestic United States. "

Thanks for jumping on me even though everytime someone ELSE said sonething about ORD-CRW i argued that UA already had the market. Way 2 read all of the thread.


"You propose interesting questions, but unfortunetly the airline world does not revolve around CRW. While you may feel it is most important, in the grand scheme of the national air transportation network, and it most airline's eyes it is not, due to its size. Neither you or I are privy to the tools that route planners use to determine new routes and markets. Population size is only one aspect, along with economic factors, business support, and the overall demand for air service. While CRW may be up 15% from last year, look into why there was an increase. Was it because travel was supressed due to the rebound from 9/11, war in Iraq, etc. Was it because airlines unnecessairly reduced capacity and have added it back? Or is it because the area has grown? More likely its a combination of the 3 reasons"

I understand all of that also. What about the fact that CRW is advertising all over the state, the fares have lowered, and they are getting back the passengers that used to drive to CMH and RIC or PIT.
You dont live here so i didnt expect you to know that.

"DL is now flying more FRJ's out of CVG operated by ACA since they were pulled out of BOS and East coast flying as resources where shifted around. More 50 seat flying by Comair is happening there to consolidate the FRJ's at CVG, which in the end should help to increase reliabilty and reduce flight delays. Capacity can be better matched with demand at CVG by having the option of an aircraft smaller than the 50 seat CRJ's. Again in SCE, they pulled all 3 CRJ's and replaced them with smaller FRJ's."

Thank you, cus i didnt know that. And im not being sarcastic, i really didnt know.

And the topic was mainly about NYC, someone else brought up ORD and i vetoed that.

And i dont think that the airline world revloves around CRW. Im simply trying to gather information. If i asked this about RDU no one would have said that, because it is larger and popular. Please, im just trying to get information. I heard that flight attendants and pilots are on this site, so i asked them some questions. Please give me a break.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7499 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Sorry man, I wasn't trying come across as rude, but oh well. Although its nice to have someone on here from a smaller city, and see whats up there. I have worked in the industry as a ramper for both DH and XJ so I'm not exactly clueless here. Yes there are plenty of people who can add other information too.

The way AA structures their route system, as for CRW's location and AA's hub priority based upon its position in the Mid-Atlantic would be: and then major markets that don't have service to them that would likely come before CRW (even existing AA markets)

1) ORD - FNT, LAN, ABE, AVP, ROA, MHT?
2) DFW - BUF, TOL, SYR, ALB, MDT, MHT
3) MIA - BUF, SYR, MDT, CVG, MEM, PVD, etc
4) LGA - pretty much most of the cities I've mentioned already.
5) RDU

Unless you're in prop range from MIA, you won't be an exclusive market to MIA. AA relies heavily on its mid-continent hubs. A stand alone MIA-CRW wouldn't work as there would be no other destinations to build brand loyality and funnel business traffic. AA doesn't to stand-alone routes to LGA either. They like service to their main hubs first then spoke cities. Eagle just isn't expanding into new markets right now. Replacing F-100 capacity and connecting the dots is pretty much all AA is doing right now with Eagle.
And AA has never been strong in connecting traffic in the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast. Thats a USAirways stronghold and also United at IAD.
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User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3391 times:
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Kcrwflyer,

Didnt you tell me in live chat that COEX has a 1900Beechcraft to CLE from CRW?



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25 Kcrwflyer : yeah, they fly like 4 beechcrafts to CLE a day. All full of course.
26 ERJ170 : PSU.DTW.SCE... Wouldn't STL come before RDU or LGA? I mean, RDU is just a focus city.. STL is a hub.....
27 MAH4546 : Wouldn't STL come before RDU or LGA? I mean, RDU is just a focus city.. STL is a hub..... With the soon to be exception of RDU-STL, American Eagle doe
28 Kcrwflyer : "And, kcrwflyer, the US government (DOT) measures O&D passenger traffic on a daily basis. They know exactly how many people travel between all US airp
29 Juanchie : I would have to agree with the previous post, American Eagle wont be comign to CRW anytime soon. Although, there are possiblities to NY. First, a dail
30 MAH4546 : The way AA structures their route system, as for CRW's location and AA's hub priority based upon its position in the Mid-Atlantic would be: and then m
31 N670UW : Wow, thats amazing that the exact same amout of people fly from CRW to where ever every day. The exact same number doesn't fly routes every day, it's
32 Kcrwflyer : "CRW is not much of a turist resort and although I dont live there, I dont believe it is really a business city either. The routes you may see opening
33 Stirling : Considering West Virginia's condition, I would have to say the commercial aviation enviroment at CRW is operating above all conventional expectations.
34 Kcrwflyer : dont get me wrong, im extremely thankful. And i always will keep asking questions, which is all im really doing now. By the way, where do you live? It
35 Juanchie : haha, you have to love the profile. Its like a background check. Although I am from JAX and live in Athens, I spent every summer until last year in CR
36 Kcrwflyer : which is why i wonder, Why is Us upgrading to all jets by year end? Why is CO upgrading to 145 to IAH? Why is Independence even comimg? I never figure
37 N670UW : Why is Us upgrading to all jets by year end? They aren't. Why is Independence even comimg? Most medium-sized markets on the East Coast can say the sam
38 Kcrwflyer : "Why is Us upgrading to all jets by year end? They aren't." You wanna talk to the airport manager? or would you rather see the article? They said they
39 MAH4546 : And to answer the last question... Why is CO upgrading to 145 to IAH? As you mentioned, there are some runway and weight issues with CO on CRW-IAH. Th
40 N670UW : You wanna talk to the airport manager? or would you rather see the article? Calm down. Show me the article, and I'll believe it. Right now, US Airways
41 Kcrwflyer : i mean, in terms of the airline wanting to do it. Why do they see need for expansion. Oh, and if anyone cares, all flights out of yeager are running a
42 Kcrwflyer : "Calm down. Show me the article, and I'll believe it. Right now, US Airways Express will go all-jet on CRW-PIT effective Aug. 9 (removing the two Dorn
43 N670UW : What will Us use on the CLT route in place of the rj's? Dash 8-100/200 (37 seats), Dash 8-300 (50 seats), and Dornier 328 (32 seats). R
44 Kcrwflyer : why such a big decline from all 50 seaters?
45 Juanchie : One funny thing happening at CRW is that UAX uses saabs from IAD and can carry 30 pax yet the airline, i assume air whisky, refuses to put more than 1
46 Kcrwflyer : its Shuttle America. How can they have no bags with pax? Are they allowed to bring bags? I dont get it. And this is another situation where we need th
47 PSU.DTW.SCE : West Virginia skiing??? I don't think too many people are flying into CRW to go skiing. Again, its a regional draw, a lot of people from the Baltimore
48 Kcrwflyer : in CRW the b's go out full of everything
49 Juanchie : Actually, skiing is quite big in parts of WV. I live in JAX and I hear people talking about some great ski sights there. I though have never been, ski
50 Kcrwflyer : well, they use the A model, which we all know is underpowered. Also CRW's runway is only 6,302 ft. When we get the RSA on RWY 5, we should have less o
51 Post contains images Kcrwflyer : this is off topic, but i just got word from the airport director, that ASA is considering Using the CRJ 700 on the CRW- ATL route. Ill keep you all up
52 Juanchie : I wonder how long until CRW sees some mainline. Last mainline I remember was from PIT on a US Fokker. Good times. A CRJ 700 might do pretty darn well,
53 Stirling : kcrwflyer- I live in northern California, in the Stockton Modesto area. SCK has no service (AGAIN) and MOD has the few token UAX flights to SFO. And y
54 Kcrwflyer : lol, it might have. Whay you said is soo true. EKN is close to cannan valley, and timberline, and they dont have air service. BKW is close to winterpl
55 Stirling : Same situation with Lake Tahoe. Closest airport to some of the best ski resorts in California, like Heavenly, but good luck finding a flight! It just
56 Kcrwflyer : ive said that soo many times before, we loose about 30% of the traffic to WN at CMH. But, ooh my friend, CMH has it comin. Yeager has this great new a
57 PSU.DTW.SCE : WV skiing is decent, but I certainly wouldn't fly there for it. Everytime I've been to Timberline everyone is skiing in Carhart coveralls, starter-jac
58 Kcrwflyer : that answers a lot. Why would Shuttle america still use the A models? Or are they not financialy fit for new aircraft? WV skiing is decent, but I cert
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