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Ramp Workers/Shop Workers NOT Metal Detected Yet..  
User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Latest news on CNN is that they will START making ramp workers and shop owners go through metal detectors due to the recent "threat". When I hard this I was shocked..... They will conficsate a nail clipper from you, yet jet fuel and baggage handlers are home free? What guarantee do I have that one of them isn't being paid $10,000,000 to put a bomb on a plane in a suitcase form? None. What guarantee do I have that explosive chemicals aren't mixed with the Jet-X? None.......... now time for some fun phrases!

Ramp Workers/Shop Workers NOT Metal Detected Yet.....

......No cockpit visits during flight are allowed
......Pilots have to pass through metal detectors
......They will confiscate nail clippers and anything sharp from you (what am I going to do?? Try to cut the pilots ear off millimetre by millimetre?!?)
......They claim security is extremely tight
......A lighter is viewed as a weapon (Yeah... as if I'll light my seat on fire  Smile/happy/getting dizzy)


IMHO, I'll be ROTLMFAO If I hear all this about security being tight again in the USA. Thie above fact I" didn't know until CNN told me and now I guess we have another fear on our minds........

"The Attack Of The Baggage Handlers!!!! Big grin  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Cheers


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User currently offlineCorpsnerd09 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

You might not set your seat on fire, but as the case of Richard Reid goes... you might try to light that bomb hidden under your shoe. As for the nail clippers... if a shoe can be considered a deadly weapon in court, a nail clipper can be considered a terrorist tool! It's still hilarious though.


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User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Pilots have to pass through metal detectors

This is not true. It is up to the airport/airline, TSA doesn't care either way. All airline employees have gone thru multiple background checks and if there is any hint of wrong doing there access is revoked.


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

you're right, we don't. so now what's your point?


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

We better not get to that point of paranoia.

It is hard enough to get your job done on the ramp. But that idea would make it even worse, if not impossible.



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2196 times:

I don't even know where to begin with your post.

So let's go ahead and run ALL rampers through a metal detector at the airport before they go out on the ramp. They still have access to tons of sharp objects out on the ramp, or in the baggage areas under the terminal.

They could be accepting millions of dollars to plant a bomb on the plane???!! Are you serious??!! How exactly do you propose they do that????? In order to get a bomb onto the ramp it would have to come in a checked bag, right? And for that checked bag to get onto the ramp it would have to be checked by a passenger, right?? And we all know that checked bags are screened for bomb materials..... So how in the name of everything holy are they going to get a BOMB onto the ramp? Take it out there with them??? That wouldn't be suspicious, now would it? Big thumbs up

As stated, pilots are required to pass through a metal detector. I don't know where you get that they aren't. MAYBE some small outstations dont' require them to...but that is VERY rare. And, if pilots are required to pass through security and a metal detector, so are shop workers. Besides. Do you want to tell me how a shop worker is going to get onto an airplane without a boarding pass????

Security is extreemly tight. Now, I will admit that on certain days the metal detectors are set loser than others. I've passed through security with my cell in my pocket, change in my pocket, my belt with metal buckle, my cell phone clip with metal as the spring....etc. Nothing, no beeps. Then, on other days, took everything out of my pockets, but neglected to take off my belt, and set off the alarms....so it DOES very, but not too often. The example I cited occured one time. So, ease up MartinairYYZ. You are still safe. You will not die of a terrorist attack any time soon. Big thumbs up


User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

About the pilot's passing thru the checkpoint, it is up the the airports FSD(TSA)/ Airport manager and Airline management. The only requirement, well I will not go into that on a public board.

User currently offlineFL1TPA From United States of America, joined May 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

I agree with S12PPL, passing through security would be EXTREMELY time consuming and pointless for ramp workers. Having access to the secured area means having access to items not permitted in the gate area. For instance, If I tried to carry a pair of scissors through the checkpoint - TSA would take them. I would then go downstairs through our badge-access door and get a pair from OPS. This doesn't even address the pains of removing your steel-toe shoes EVERY time you go through. Sometimes I bypass the checkpoint 6 or 7 times daily between the ticket counter and OPS. If I had to be screened each time, I would really want to kill someone! Also, why did we go through the 10-year background check and FBI screening to get an airport badge if we must be screened each time?

Actually I've had the concerns that MartinairYYZ voiced, but about the low - paid cleaning staff rather than air carrier employees. In TPA the airport cleaners don't have as much access as airline employees do, but they have enough access. If someone offered a $6.00/hr. cleaner $10,000 to get a bomb past security and hide it in a restroom say, do you think they would consider it? Then all the bad guy has to do is pass trough the checkpoint clean and go to that restroom and insert the bomb in his/her carryon. The cleaner takes the $10,000 and skips the country.

Kinda scary, huh? Definitely something to think about.

Tim.

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User currently offlineFL1TPA From United States of America, joined May 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Also, I forgot, TSA has told me personally that their main goal is screening of baggage and carry-on luggage. If an employee which has no luggage comes to the checkpoint with an airport badge, they are usually told BY TSA to use the bypass door. They say "Why should we screen someone with no bags that just as easily could have bypassed us all together?"

Makes sense to me.

Tim.

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"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffin' glue."
User currently offline744rules From Belgium, joined Mar 2002, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

In Bru, everybody who wants to get air-side is screened. That is, if your ID permits acces in the first place.

In some occasions, people wearing safety shoes even have to take them off.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2106 times:

Also remember that a lot of the ramp/mx workers arrive or work during periods when, at most non-hub airports, there is no TSA. Ramp workers generally arrive at outstations as early as 5:30 am, and even earlier for some airlines. As an Operations clerk for NJ, I regularly arrived for work at 4:00 am in order to get my paperwork done in time for the first flight (job of three people being done by 1 full timer and 1 part timer).

Additionally, most rampers have "methods" that allow them to bypass security. I won't go into them on a public board. But suffice to say, most airports are just fine, as well as the TSA, with these "methods."

The strange thing is, prior to 9/11, when I worked at NJ, if the gate was in operation, I had to be screened to access ops (that was a pain in the @$$). If it wasn't, I could just go in, no problems. After 9/11, when I worked for FL, we were allowed to bypass security pretty much every day, regardless of whether the gate was operating.

Makes ya' think, don't it?



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User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2084 times:

All employees at PHX must clear security to get into the secure area.

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2079 times:

If I had to be screened each time, I would really want to kill someone! Also, why did we go through the 10-year background check and FBI screening to get an airport badge if we must be screened each time?

This whole issue is discussed in a post about anybody going to the airside concourse written up by ScottysAir. Do you think extending the overworked TSA will help anybody by always having to go through security every single time you want to go airside? I've only passed through security once other than to board a flight. And that was because I was off-duty and got a gate-pass from NWA. Its a complete waste of time to go through security, when you can't take a scissors through (as an employee), but afterwards, you can get one from your OPS. Theres a reason employees have a badge.

EDIT: The name of ScottysAir's post is "Finally, Just Got Good News For Non-passengers".

[Edited 2004-07-11 15:42:12]


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User currently offlineLinemechqx From United States of America, joined May 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

So yeah lets force ramp workers to go through security everyday. Yet we'll still go ahead and let them load those gun cases for the hunters out there. And we'll just cross our fingers that they don't decide to do anything else with them. Come on now.
MartinairYYZ, if my 3 background checks that took up to 3 months to complete, and my fingerprinting aren't good enough to make you feel safe, then it might be time to give up flying commercially.

Late
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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

Most rampers carry a knife or a box cutter for cutting cargo tie down ropes and plastic foil for the pallets. For myself as a mechanic, besides a knife I have a toolbox full of potential weapons, like scewdrivers, hammer, mallet.

Also, most airports have miles of perimeter fence. What wouls stop an employee from throwing a bag with contraband inside across the fence in a spot not watched by video cameras (and believe me, there are plenty of them in all airports I´ve been working in), walking through the security check and picking it up later?

Checking employees would be a futile exercise.

Jan

Edit for removing some typos

[Edited 2004-07-11 16:16:11]

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Most rampers carry a knife or a box cutter for cutting cargo tie down ropes and plastic foil for the pallets. For myself as a mechanic, besides a knife I have a toolbox full of potential weapons, like scewdrivers, hammer, mallet.

LOL. Didn't even remember I carry one. Just a force of habit. As for security cameras, most of an airfield is covered in cameras in the US. Even if you dropped something over the fence, who can guarntee that it will be there when Airport Operations or the Police were to do a patrol and find it before you get back to it.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

For the most part, once the employee is inside of the employee parking area (an area that requires their airport/airline ID to be presented in order to enter), they are considered to have been cleared to enter the airport's SIDA (as many airports consider the employee lot as part of the SIDA, even if the lot is not on the airport property). Cars don't get searched, the only thing they might look for is if they are smuggling someone into the lot who is not authorized. The only time at many airports that flight crews will have to go through security is if it is not their home airport. There's no telling how many airline employees that are travelling non-rev don't go throuh the security screening process at their home airport.

The newest TSA SD reguarding SIDA badges is aimed more towards those who are employed by retail shops, concessionaires, and their contractors. Companies like HMS Host, Hudson News, Paradies, Anderson News, & The News Group are the ones that are affected by these new directives. Prior to 9/11, the employees that worked in the retail and food concessions did not have any sort of ID at all. Now those that will just work the shops and not enter sterile areas have a non-SIDA badge, which looks a lot different from an airport's SIDA badge. At many airports, there are many different colored SIDA badges, with each color representing a different group involved in operations at an airport. Airline employees have one colored badge, gov't employees (TSA, FAA, city/state/county airport authority employees) another, contractors (airline related) another, contractors (construction) yet another, and concessionaires another. Many of these badges have restrictions, like concessionaire badges usually do not allow escorting of non-badged personnel into sterile areas; airlines employees can't enter certain areas without permission (like the AOA), while others have full access to anywhere and everywhere in the SIDA.

The only way I could see all airline employees getting screened would be if they built a facility at airports just for screening employees. At somewhere like ATL, it could be hard to do because there are so many airline employee parking lots (most of them offsite of the airport). You would have to do employee security screening away from the main screening area at most airports due to the number of employees that work there.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

ya know before they sit here and have people criticizing us (ramp) not going through security, why dont they worry about themselves (TSA) and how they can improve screening. How many times have you flown and seen a TSA agent just walk right through and beep but no one does anything about it. I've asked them and they say well he's working, well so am I. But they could care less, "step over here and take everything off" it is beyond me why we are treated with such disrespect.


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

I've asked them and they say well he's working, well so am I. But they could care less, "step over here and take everything off" it is beyond me why we are treated with such disrespect.

Nice excuse. How do you know that what beeped on a TSA agent really isn't a concealed handgun or other type of weapon. I'd be more worried about the TSA agents doing something than an airline employee. Airline employees don't go into your bag, TSA does. TSA can search your whole bag, and if they really wanted to, they'd be the ones to "plant" a bomb or other device on a plane. The airline employee who is loading the plane would never know either.

Thats who you have to worry about. Not us RampRats

RampRat Revenge!



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Shoot MD11Engineer.

Did you see that posting I put up a couple of weeks ago about the Black Bear that managed to get on the Airport here in Anchorage.




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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

smcmacsmn32...........you make it sound liike i'm the bad guy here, what excuse am i making up?


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2789 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1886 times:

I think it'd be fairly challenging to screen all employees. JFK, similar to many airports, has so many entrances and exits to/from the ramp area. Airline and airport employees are constantly accessing these doors. It's in the best interest of their work and efficiency to come and go as they please. Screening these employees would certainly become a nusance.

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1862 times:

At MCO, I saw a man with a hand-held metal detector "screening" the food service people prior to entering a LTU 330.

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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

At MCO, I saw a man with a hand-held metal detector "screening" the food service people prior to entering a LTU 330.

Last I heard, contract catering and other service personnel had to be screened before entering an aircraft. Airline employees doing those jobs did not. But then, it's been two years. It may have changed.



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User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Considering the fact that most ramp workers are required to wear steel-toe shoes, making them go through security with the rest of the pax would make security already more of hassle than it already is. You take a large international airport, throw in a couple thousand extra people into the security line, and you wouldn't miss your flight, right?

Airline employees have extensive background checks performed more than you would at most other jobs, and random checks are done regularly. Personally, I welcome them to give me an FBI check yearly if they like, as long as they throw in an eye exam for free.

Plus, given the fact that this is our "job," makes it more of a reason of why would they do anything? Considering the financial ramifications for airlines after crashes, it would be like taking money out of my own pocket. And many items that cannot be taken through security by passengers is used out on the ramp, so that would present yet another problem.


25 Post contains images S12PPL : There are some very good comments here. The point is....screening ramp workers every time they go onto the ramp is a pointelss, time consuming, waste
26 NWA757 : We better not get to that point of paranoia. It is hard enough to get your job done on the ramp. But that idea would make it even worse, if not imposs
27 Smcmac32msn : smcmacsmn32...........you make it sound liike i'm the bad guy here, what excuse am i making up? I wasn't talking about your excuse.... I was talking a
28 LTBEWR : My brother works for a major paving contractor where he was involved with paving work done airside at EWR. He has to have clearances, told where he ca
29 MD11Engineer : You´ve got an idea how many thousand people are working on a busy international airport every day? Just after 9/11 they parked a federal border polic
30 ThreeWests : What I dont understand is how will sreening all ramp workers make anything safer? The "evil" ramper who is trying to sneak stuff in will simply avoid
31 Post contains images FinnWings : This is definitely very ridiculous... We are loading almost daily different kind of sharp objects to cargo compartments from guns and ammos to knives
32 Super Em : l can't speak for the other Airlines at JFK,but recently Delta have been screening A/C cleaners and Catering personnel before they can enter the aircr
33 Flyiguy1 : Most larger airports actually have a security checkpoint for the employees to go through before being allowed into the SIDA area. But also every airli
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