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Cameras To Be Banned On Planes?  
User currently offlineWally236er From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9780 times:

I heard a rumor the other day at the airport from BAA that all pax will be banned from carrying cameras and mobile phones with cameras onto aircraft.
You will have to put them in the hold with your other luggage and hope they don't get lost or damaged.
How will I make my next trip report for a-net?

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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13037 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Picture cell phones and cameras have raised some serious issues of privacy and security thoughout the world and there being banned from many places of employment, business buildings, government buildings and facilities, gyms (especially the locker rooms), airport terminals (like EWR as to cameras). I would preseume that there is a deep fear of recording security procedures and structures by terrorists to find weaknesses to be exploited. There is also the personal privacy and annoyance factors of people taking pictures, usually requiring the use of flash on a camera. Even the use of a flash on a camera could be used by terrorists to carry out an act or contain a bomb device. Placing such items in the checked baggage does increase the risk of damage, theft or if the luggage is mishipped, then you are without them when you may need them the most.

User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9543 times:

Rumor!

As far as camera phones go, companies are making blocking devices so your phone wont be able to function in camera mode if a building installs this new device. I saw a report on ABC news a week ago.


User currently offlineBostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9541 times:

From whom did you "hear" the rumor at BAA? We don't need a name, but a description of the person's role at BAA would be helpful. Someone who cleans ashtrays may not have as reliable information as someone in an executive position.

I ask only because some people on this forum like to start their own rumors which are based on fantasy and nothing else. Sort of frustrating to get involved in determining if a rumor has some truth to it only to find out it's someone who just made up something for entertainment!

I'm intrigued about this as photography (even with cell phones) has just been banned on the subway system in Boston due to security concerns.


User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9418 times:

That rule would be very ridiculous... What is the point of ban the use of camera phones as all arriving passengers from different countries still would have cameras and camera phones in their pocket??

Besides, I don't see any reason why they should be banned at the airports.

Best Regards,
FinnWings


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8499 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9416 times:
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This sound like horse "£$% to me.

There is no way this would occur,perhaps banning taking photo's,but not making everyone place them in hold luggage.

If it does,and I don't think it will,this is just another step in the direction of being a Police State.

Everyone seems hell bent on making life more and more miserable for travellers.

Just my 0.02 cents.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

If that were to happen I'd be happy to check my equipment IF and only IF the airline and/or BAA were to pay me twice the replacement value in advance so I can buy new equipment at highstreet UK prices on arrival.
If the equipment is returned to me complete and undamaged they get the money back, if anything is missing or damaged (even a filter or battery) I get to keep it all.

But I doubt that this is set to happen as the right to carry cameras on board is set firm in international treaty.
BAA MIGHT restrict the use of cameras on board UK airports and maybe airlines but that's as far as they can go.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

This kind of nonsense really makes me cross; BAA shows its corporate colours in its attitude towards security (unfocused) and enthusiasts. Not only has it gradually reduced the facilities available to enthusiasts to nothing, it has also - while coming out with some bland patronising nonsense about understanding enthusiasts - been instrumental in getting other airports (Melbourne and Hong Kong) to reduce its facilities.

Okay, maybe this isn't aimed at aviation enthusiasts, but even if it isn't, here BAA comes out with some meaningless b*****s and as a result of this ill considered garbage, tries to restrict people's use of cameras? It's madness and what's worse, it must give people pause for thought as to how focused BAA is on security, if it sees cameras as a threat. Does this mean it's war on aircraft enthusiasts? What will it do if it sees people with a camera? Confiscate it, or caution people? In other words, its attention will be focused on people who don't pose a threat; resources will be diverted away from activities which do pose a threat. All because some office clerk decides cameras are "a bad thing".

Oh, and here's another thing: the TSA warns against cameras or film being in checked baggage, so perhaps the two of them could get together (that would be a nice meeting - somewhere in Pyongyang or Najaf, perhaps) to decide a middle ground.


User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9291 times:

Cameras are dangerous.

If a pax tries to get a video camera out or a normal camera when we are doing the demo, or arming the doors, I say something straight away.

We dont care what the spotters miss out on, its our security and the passengers security we are concerned about.



User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9244 times:

Do you wake business men up if they are asleep during the safety demo? If not then why bother the spotters who are your second best source of info if something happens in flight (besides the flight crew).

User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Yes I do. Everyone needs to watch the demo, its not just for gimps to laugh at.

You may pretend to know everything and anything about an a/c, and what to do i n an evac/ditiching, but at the end of the day we are there to help you, and to save you.

So yes I would not hesitate, and nor would any of my colleagues in waking up any pax of any class in order to watch the demo.


Spotters assume too much. They do not have the training and work environment we have, they just dream they do.

[Edited 2004-07-11 18:48:10]

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

As far as camera phones go, companies are making blocking devices so your phone wont be able to function in camera mode if a building installs this new device. I saw a report on ABC news a week ago.

Not only is this highly doubtful, but likely impossible.

N


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9141 times:


Sounding just a bit hostile, Sammyhostie... Why? Spotters are harmless, and I would think airline employees would appreciate people who take such interest in their industry. Airline enthusiasts are a bit of a down-trodden bunch, post-9/11. Especially here in the 'States. Your tone is just a bit disappointing.



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User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9094 times:

This is from the website of the TSA:

Air carrier has no liability for photographic equipment, computers, VCRs and any other electronic equipment including software or components, jewelry, cash, documents, furs, works of art or other similar valuable items


http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=183&content=09000519800aece5


My camera equipment happens to be pretty expensive and I have no intention of putting it in the hold, in fact the TSA makes it clear that they advise passengers to have cameras in their cabin baggage not in the hold.


Sammythehostie, what on earth are you talking about-talk about making sweeping generalisations, I don't anyone think here is advocating the use of cameras during the safety demo and using that as a reason to stop people taking cameras on planes is garbage. Please go into more detail as to why cameras are dangerous and I don't want to hear nonsense about safety demos-I'm talking about the use of cameras during cruise etc which is when I (and almost everyone else IMO) use my camera when I'm flying.


Matt



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User currently offlineAmericanairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 408 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8986 times:

Are camera's only being banned in other country's besides the U.S. or are they starting to be banded from flights here in the states?


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User currently offlineVeeref From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

That would really be a shame if that was to happen. Not surprising though. Just another example of how technology is evolving much faster than our ability to control it............

User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

"Cameras are dangerous" = Nonsense... And until Sammyhostie explains the foundations of such a ridiculously free assertion, it sounds more like a pile of rubbish...

If this ever happens, it would be yet one more setback in the liberties of flying passengers...

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User currently offlineMd11dude From Canada, joined May 2004, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8506 times:

I worked for CP a good long time enough, and i think its Bull%$#! to ban a camera...what next..no Q-tips??


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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

Don't worry Sammiehostie. You won't see me with my camera. Empasis on the word `see'.
`Flight attendants be seated for take-off.'
Bwhahahahaaa



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13968 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8295 times:

Why not ban passengers? They are the biggest risk in the whole operation. (BTW, if I travel I usualy carry an aluminium attachee case full of photographic equipment with me, two Minolta SLRs with additional lenses, one Zenzai Bronica medium format camera and a professional flash gun, this stuff is NOt going into the cargo hold, period.

Jan


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5166 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8228 times:

Can someone pleasse explain to me how a camera is dangerous?

If I'm sitting in the cabin on take off what can my camera do that is so bad?


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

I think what most airlines teach the hosties is that a) electronic equipment will make the planes go like a robot confronting Capt. Kirk and b) [legacy fear:] in the event of the plane careering off the runway etc. the cameras will `be like missiles' flying through the cabin.
Of course, not being suicidal, the wise photographer has taken these factors into account and taken appropriate measures.



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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

I don't fly CO anymore (even though I can get DL miles) because they don't allow using a camera during taxi, take-off and landing. It's in their written policy. DL, NW, and others don't have this restriction. I have asked CO about the reason for this (through their website) and the answer I got was that they submitted my question to the technical staff. Of course, I have not received a reply in over 6 months.

Pete


User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Ok so I'm going to PHX from LHR soon, last I checked BAA has no jurisdiction whatsoever over what I take on board the aircraft at PHX when I come home, and I strongly suspect that it is up to British Airways and the CAA to determine what I take on board on the flight from LHR.




Matt



you can't buy time but you can sell your soul and the closest thing to heaven is to rock'n'roll
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

If I'm sitting in the cabin on take off what can my camera do that is so bad?

become a missile in the event of a rapid deceleration...



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
25 MACDADDY : Well an odd subject this one. Sammy hostie i see your going for the controversial post then, and voodoo you do make an interesting case for objects be
26 Post contains links Neilalp : GIGNEIL, My comment As far as camera phones go, companies are making blocking devices so your phone wont be able to function in camera mode if a build
27 757drvr : I think there is some truth to what Voodoo stated. Some flight attendents don't really know and understand the real reasons for the electonic equipme
28 Post contains images Silver1SWA : Sammyhostie Yes I do. Everyone needs to watch the demo, its not just for gimps to laugh at. -How would sleeping be a form of laughing at the safety ta
29 Beechcraft : Sammyhostie, you´re waking up passengers for the demo? Cool. I´d say that raises the amount of confident customers quite a bit... Come on, relax! Fo
30 Dazed767 : OK taking a camera out during the demo or arming of the doors is one thing (don't know why you would take a photo of that), but taking a photo out the
31 SAS330GOT : There are going to be a lot of lawsuits because of property damage. Especially because of the cameras. The cell phones I can understands, but putting
32 Sammyhostie : Hhheee you lot are so funny. You may think you know what to do in an emergency, due to those endless copies of manuals you read, but if the worst did
33 Voodoo : I previously wrote: I think what most airlines teach the hosties is that a) electronic equipment will make the planes go like a robot confronting Capt
34 VonRichtofen : You mean they're not already banned?! I can't believe this!!! We are all in danger!!! Signed, MartinairYYZ
35 ZKSUJ : This is so ridiculous. These security measure and precautions are just getting more and more unbelievable.
36 MACDADDY : Sammy Hostie, I find it strange you are going on about us having an ego problem as a collective group of spotters. Your the one blowing your own trump
37 Sammyhostie : LOL! Thats a fair post. I just mean we know a lot more than you do aircraft/SEP wise, so respect it!
38 Neilalp : I think what all the spotters are saying is that we understand the Crew knows more about the plane than we do, but we know the second most and you hav
39 David T : I have largely become a person that believes every plane which takes off must either be empty where would be travelers must now fantasize, much like t
40 VS773ER : Sammyhostie. I find your input insulting. If you are against the photography, or indeed aircraft enthusiasts as a whole, then why are you on this site
41 Dan2002 : September 11th, 2003 changed the entire civilized world. That would be September 11th, 2001 changed the entire civilized world. -Dan
42 David T : Yes, thank you for catching that Dan2002. I cannot explain why I put "2003".
43 757drvr : Sammyhostie, You don't always know more than the pax. You just never know who is sitting next to you....a boeing/airbus engineer, a veteran pilot with
44 Thomasphoto60 : No self respecting photographer would even for a moment entertain the idea of allowing $1,000, $5,000 or $10,000 worth of fragile photo gear (save for
45 David T : Oh, I forgot to mention... I looked at your profile Sammyhostie and it appears you are an F/A for My Travel, if I am not mistaken. (Sorry if I am wron
46 Sammyhostie : I have previously worked for BA David T, hence my comments.And I find MYT a lot better company to work for, not that that matters. You spotters do mak
47 Ned Kelly : BAA to ban camera's on planes! Last year when I flew out of LHR, I bought a camcorder at Dixons in terminal 3 duty free. This was after my luggage had
48 David T : Well, lets agree on one thing... That your safety and evac training will never be used in real time, though my humble opinion is very clear on this ma
49 Silver1SWA : Sammyhostie: You may think you know what to do in an emergency, due to those endless copies of manuals you read, but if the worst did happen I bet you
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