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LH Aborted Takeoff/Emergency Right Now In DFW!  
User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14644 times:
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Lufthansa flight 439 from DFW to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA attempted to take off at about 1535 local time. As he approached V1 smoke started to come from the a/c and he aborted his take off. He is currently surrounded by about 20 CFR trucks across from the new international terminal. They a/c type is an A340-300. I will attempt to get the reg number A.S.A.P.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14264 times:

Airliners abort take off's everyday... Not really news worthy.

Glad to hear that he got it stopped and all is well.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineDABYX From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14220 times:

Aircraft is D-AIGO.

DABYX


User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14169 times:
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That's true, aircraft do abort take offs daily, but do they get towed back into the gate with shredded tires, and possibly more damage like this one has?


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14091 times:

If the plane is aborting a take off at high gross weight it is a lot of kinetic energy that has to be converted into heat by the brakes. The brakes will be red hot.
To prevent the tires from bursting uncontrolled (and causing casualities and more damage), because of the presurre increase due to the hot brakes, the rims contain fuse plugs made of some low temperature melting alloy. They melt and relieve the tire pressure.
This is normal after a high energy stop. Probably all wheels and brakes will have to be changed plus an inspection carried out.
Another thing is the defect, which caused the aborted take off in first place.

Jan


User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 14055 times:
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So maybe LH will send a 747-400 in here tommorow to bring in the spare parts, and to get the passengers out of here. Oh that would be sweet


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User currently offlineB727-200 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1051 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13792 times:


Damn, if only time would stand still. That way when I read a thread in a non-live discussion forum containing the phrase "Right Now", it would actually mean something  Insane


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

The important thing is that everyone is okay, aside from a few skipped heartbeats. Hats-off to that German flight crew  Big thumbs up

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13692 times:

D-AIGO? Seems I got that one at IAD once... Everyone ok?

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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13436 times:

I had that happen to me on an AC a320 YYZ-YQR. We had to wait about 20 minutes for the brakes to cool off before AC tech ops were able to check them. Once that was complete and the okay given, we continued on to YQR without incident.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13419 times:

but do they get towed back into the gate with shredded tires, and possibly more damage like this one has?

Actually Yes.... It happens much more often then you think it does. I was trying to land in BOS when this occurred..... Although a landing incident, they are common.


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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13371 times:

this is a simple case of the airliners.net syndrome, lol...


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User currently offlineAwschucksflyer From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12863 times:

cancidas......what?!?!?!

User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4681 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Aborting a heavy aircraft at, or near, V1 can only be described as one hell of an experience for the flight crew. Good to hear that the job was well done!


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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12718 times:

wonder what the pax had to do - they'd miss the AA flight to AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA from DFW so would they have sent them out on UA/US flights to ORD, CLT, PHL, etc. to connect? Probably miss those flights, too. Or did they repair the aircraft and get to take off?

User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12633 times:

Any info on the pax or the plane?

I use to watch this airplane come in around noon everyday from 1997-2001, pretty interesting.

Even though this might be a common thing in everyday worldwide life, im glad you posted it. I just informed a friend of the event going on and hes headed out to DFW to see what he can see.......well, in the morning anyways.. Smile


User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

how far down the runway was he? those A340s take the whole runway usually.

I remember the Martinair incident, time flies didn't seem like it was that long ago. What are those bigger tires next to the aircraft's own tires? aer they going to put those on?  Nuts


User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12158 times:

Aero..... and even more exciting for us flight attendants since theres a lot running through our mind at that point.... and half the time unable to see outside while seated in our jumpseats.


Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineLHcapt2007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Airtran 737, exactly how did you know he was approaching V1? Don't tell me a radar gun...i guess by distance or through a retold story over the frequency?

LHcapt2007



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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8996 times:
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You can tell when you're watching a plane when the nose is about to come off of the ground. When he slammed on the brakes, you could tell that V1 had been not to far off.


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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8857 times:


...the pilot wouldn't aborted TO if V1, calculated according to weight..., has been reached...

Sure tires will be replaced


User currently offlineFixplanes2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Many years ago AA aborted a DC-10 (false warning light) at DFW, fully loaded for HI. Used up all the brake pads trying to stop and went off end of runway. Total loss of aircraft.

User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8371 times:

What are those bigger tires next to the aircraft's own tires? aer they going to put those on?
To me they look like the new ones but with full air pressure. Why else would they store tires there? Unless there is some kind of logic there that I do not get...

Max


User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8348 times:

Two things -

1 - V1 is the speed at which the flight crew must make the decision to abort the takeoff, and be able to safely stop before the end of the runway. It is not the speed at which the nose wheel comes up (which is designated as Vr). V1 depends on runway length, aircraft weight, and other factors. Once the aircraft passes V1 the crew would either need to takeoff, and make an immediate return to the airport, or slam on the brakes and accept the consequences of running off the end of the runway.

2 - The passengers are undoubtedly being protected today on either the fixed original aircraft, or if the rumors are true, an LH 747. Trying to find room for over 200 passengers during the summer on one flight to Eorupe is going to be impossible. (Trust me, I just got back from Europe yesterday, and the load factor both ways was 100%). LH will undoubtedly plan on keeping all the passenger with them, and getting them home on a non-stop Dallas-Frankfurt flight ASAP.



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User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8304 times:
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The flight ended up leaving about three hours late after the tire change. As far as knowing that he was approaching V1. I was sitting on a belt loader watching him take off. I love Lufthy because its from my native land, and I wanted to get a shot of it taking off. Unfortunately, I was only able to get a few pictures of it while it was on the ground.


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25 Smcmac32msn : Airtran737 - How were you able to watch this when you were at MKE inside that UA 777 diversion on Sunday? Kinda funny that you were looking at the mes
26 Airtran737 : Actually the UA 777 was in MKE on Friday night and left Saturday at 1300 hours. On Sunday evening I traveled to DFW to work for four days. Due to our
27 AA737-823 : Dude, you guys all suck. This guy has brought something that IS (I repeat, IS) newsworthy to our attention, and there has not been one positive reply
28 Aerobalance : Ahem, AA737-823, Post #13 was not positive? Please clarify what is positive then. Thanx, aero
29 EMBQA : AA737- This is really NOT that newsworthy as for those of us that work in the industry this is common place. Heck, if the public knew half of what goe
30 Post contains images Tasha : AA737-823, How about my post (#7)? I have nothing but praise for the crew. My husband and I flew LH out of DFW in January and the take-off was a scary
31 Milemaster : Oh, and ten billion posts about: A) Liveries (I swear people judge airline's paintjob as the prime indicator of an airline's quality) B) "Why doesn't
32 Post contains images Md80fanatic : Heck, if the public knew half of what goes on during a daily basis and is not reported, they'd be shocked. Since joining Airliners.net, nothing shocks
33 Post contains images Miamix707 : Since joining Airliners.net, nothing shocks me anymore. After what I saw on the thread that got locked the other day... can't get any more shocking th
34 Airtran737 : I appreciate all of the feedback that this topic has recieved. Thank you fellow a netters!
35 CougarAviator : Airtran, thank for the update.
36 AV8AJET : I was flying that day and saw the LH 340 surrounded by fire trucks. We were off to LBB so we used 18L that day. As we were rolling down the runway the
37 Saxman66 : DFW is too big because even though I work there, if something exciting is happening, I probably won't hear about it, or if I do, its too big to hop in
38 Boeing727 : At least the second LH A340 from Texas got airborne alright, just saw it out of IAH about 2 hours ago... Boeing727
39 Airtran737 : I should have dated this thread when I started it. The aborted take off was on 7-12-04
40 Boeing727 : We took off RWY 18L this afternoon and I supposed the Airbus did the aborted TO there, since we saw some very large skid marks about halfway down the
41 AirTran737 : Yes. It was 18L that the aborted take off happened on.
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