Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5663 posts, RR: 53 Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6785 times:
Hey folks, was reading the current July Airways Issue and they said this month (July) TWA LLC will be no more, and everything is officially AA now. Here is the qoute... "In July 2004, the division of American Airlines created from the Trans World Assets and operating certificate- called TWA Airlines LLC- is scheduled to cease operations. The merger is complete."
Well there you have it, that means no more TWA LLC Stickers on the nose end of the MD80's. I flew on a reconfigured TWA MD80. I honestly didnt know it was a TWA plane until the pilot told me. The plane was N960TW, from what i saw I could not find the TWA LLC Sticker on the nose, also inside it was all AA, they had the headrest and new seats and it even had a black nose!! Thats why I thought I was on an AA MD80. Just wanted to let you guys know, and for all TWA Fans, its officially the end. Good bye TWA, and we will always hold your spirit here in STL. I wish we the TWA fans could ask AA to keep one TWA MD80 in the TWA livery for good memory. Just ONE PLANE...
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5663 posts, RR: 53 Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6570 times:
Scott- The only change we will see within the company or aircrafts would be on the MD80's of TWA. The TWA LLC STickers will be take off as the TWA Certicifcate is disolved it is now under AA's certifictae/AMR, and TWA interior will now become AA.
to others-I assume the reg number is the same? Or will it be re-registered under AA??
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
Sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5242 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6380 times:
TWA was "ripped apart" before AA touched 'em; TWA LLC was created to be a new holding company for TWA assets which would be operated by, and eventually absorbed by, AA (AMR). The operating airline assets of TWA were transferred to TWA LLC so AMR could invest in acquiring and operating what remained, without risk of greater loss from the claims of TWA creditors.
AA did nothing to TWA. If you want to find a victim, look up "Icahn" in the dick-tionary.
...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2221 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6330 times:
I read the article, too. The only problem is the TWA certificate won't be retired until August 31. I was surprised Airways reported that since AA released months ago that the certificate was expected to retire on August 31.
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TransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6258 times:
GodBless, in hindsight I doubt AA would have gone ahead with the merger had they known what it would be eventually entail. I get the impression that it was a financially draining process, and yes the timing turned out to be pretty bad.
LY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 16 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6164 times:
Did this honestly have ANY affect on AA's operations? I've flown on a couple of ex-TWA aircraft on AA and I can't stand them. The older MD-80s prior to reconfiguration are awful, IMO. (I think there is also a difference between ex-TWA FA's and AA FA's as a flight I took from SAN-DFW demonstrated for me).
At this point, this is a formality. TWA has esentially been gone long before this point.
AAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6035 times:
> I assume the reg number is the same? Or will it be re-registered under AA??
I'll assume the former in this case.
it costs money to change registration numbers on a/c.
I'm quite sure AA wouldn't want to spend all that time effort and money on something as trivial as aircraft registrations.
TWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52 Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5985 times:
>>Did this honestly have ANY affect on AA's operations?<<
1) Yes. They eliminated a formidable competitor in the Caribbean, and they became, and continue to be, the world's largest carrier due to the acquisition. They also hold some potentially very lucrative route authorities. Additionally, during the integration process, AA took the approach of identifying any best practices at TW they could adopt into the AA organization. So, some TW competencies and thus TW's legacy will always remain a part of AA.
>>I think there is also a difference between ex-TWA FA's and AA FA's as a flight I took from SAN-DFW demonstrated for me<<
2) I don't know when you took that flight, but there haven't been any former TWA FA's around for about a year or so.... all were laid off. But if you worked your butt off flying for a carrier for 20+ years, just to have your carrier bought by another and your seniority list stapled to the bottom, you might be kind of demotivated as well.
American762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5970 times:
We all knew it was here and I'm sad to say. TWA was my first airline experience. I flew TWA EVERYWHERE and always enjoyed their product. Such nice FA's. We remember you always TWA. You were a BEAUTIFUL airline with one of the most beautiful liveries that ever graced the skies (the newer livery).
Pan Am has a place of its' own. You call it the world, we call it home.
Jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2950 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5944 times:
What route authorities does AA now own?
Are most out of JFK? Will they start them with the new terminal opening?
With open skies now in effect with many countries, aren't route authorities useless in most cases?
Jmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 596 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5933 times:
Good Bye TWA!
You were my hometown airline, If TWA didn't fly there, then I didn't go there!
My very first plane ride by myself (with out the family) was in 1985, on TWA skyliner 747 STL-LGW. I was nine, and was and unaccompanied minor. I was allowed to board first, and they let my Dad on the plane to see me off.
The F/As were really nice to me, giving cards, magazines pilot wings. And then when we where about to land, one nice F/A took me up to first class and let me sit in the nose section for landing.
Then as I got older, and started traveling more, TWA was there for me again, STL-CDG, CDG-TLV, JFK-LIS, even STL-YYZ, and of course many time on STL-LGW flight 720/721. And of course their domestic network St. Louis took me everywhere.
You will always be in my heart TWA!
Cookies are the Gateway pastry. They lead to Éclairs and Bear Claws.
Lat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 453 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5905 times:
The July Airways article was shocking. The business world is full of "if onlys" but..if only TWA 800 hadn't happened and 9/11 hadn't happened. TWA had streamlined its fleet and workforce and look poised to finally become viable. Then along came swaggering American. It was not a merger but a decimation. My last couple of experiences with AA however, remind me of Eastern in its later years and we know what happened to EA.
Continental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5842 times:
Man do I feel lucky to have used the TWA terminal at JFK a few times in 2000. It was amazing! The terminal was great, and the gate area had all that red, 70's carpet. It was nice to see all those TWA aircraft sitting at the gate waiting for their passengers. Just months later, it was closed, and TWA was no more.
25 RedDragon: "What does LLC stand for?" "Limited liability Corporation." Exciting way to make my forum début, but... what roughly is an LLC? (Compared to British
26 Ssides: LLC actually stands for "Limited Liability Company." Essentially, it is a corporation that is structured like a partnership. In TWA's case, I think th
27 Okie: TWA was in bankruptcy court as the result of self inflicted wounds and bad business decisions previous to AA. TWA and its employees were all reality T
28 TrnsWrld: I personally have no complaints with the ex-TWA aircraft. Sure TW had some old MD-80's but they also had the newest also. After the merger AA's MD-80
29 TWFirst: Okie: The man's name is Icahn, not Ichan.
30 Okie: Thanks for the correction TWFirst. I still think he was Korvorkian. Okie