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TWA LLC Is NO MORE.  
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7603 times:

Hey folks, was reading the current July Airways Issue and they said this month (July) TWA LLC will be no more, and everything is officially AA now. Here is the qoute...
"In July 2004, the division of American Airlines created from the Trans World Assets and operating certificate- called TWA Airlines LLC- is scheduled to cease operations. The merger is complete."  Sad  Sad  Sad

Well there you have it, that means no more TWA LLC Stickers on the nose end of the MD80's. I flew on a reconfigured TWA MD80. I honestly didnt know it was a TWA plane until the pilot told me. The plane was N960TW, from what i saw I could not find the TWA LLC Sticker on the nose, also inside it was all AA, they had the headrest and new seats and it even had a black nose!! Thats why I thought I was on an AA MD80. Just wanted to let you guys know, and for all TWA Fans, its officially the end.  Sad Good bye TWA, and we will always hold your spirit here in STL. I wish we the TWA fans could ask AA to keep one TWA MD80 in the TWA livery for good memory. Just ONE PLANE...

Alex


Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

It is no more TW LLC is gone now and it will use with AA LLC now, right?

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Scott- There is no AA LLC, its just AA-The Airline, or rather AMR, Am I correct?


Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlinePropilotjw From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 589 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7488 times:

Correct. AMR owns AA. TWA was just made into a seperate division of AA and AMR called "TWA Airlines LLC" - An American Airlines Company

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Yes, it will make owns AA or TW before. It will make change with aircraft or at the company.

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3116 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7448 times:

AMR Corporation
TWA LLC = division of AMR
American Airlines = subsidiary
Eagle Holdings = subsidiary
Executive Airlines = subsidiary

I am not sure about Sabre or other ventures.



Okie


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2706 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7441 times:

What does LLC stand for?

Nick


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12123 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7432 times:
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Limited liability Corporation.


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User currently offlineLambertstl777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 218 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7416 times:

Woah. TWA was totally ripped apart even before it had officially disappeared? Geez, AA's quick!




I love American Airlines.

[Edited 2004-07-13 04:18:35]


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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5694 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

Scott- The only change we will see within the company or aircrafts would be on the MD80's of TWA. The TWA LLC STickers will be take off as the TWA Certicifcate is disolved it is now under AA's certifictae/AMR, and TWA interior will now become AA.

to others-I assume the reg number is the same? Or will it be re-registered under AA??

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5557 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Lambertstl777:

TWA was "ripped apart" before AA touched 'em; TWA LLC was created to be a new holding company for TWA assets which would be operated by, and eventually absorbed by, AA (AMR). The operating airline assets of TWA were transferred to TWA LLC so AMR could invest in acquiring and operating what remained, without risk of greater loss from the claims of TWA creditors.

Got it?

AA did nothing to TWA. If you want to find a victim, look up "Icahn" in the dick-tionary.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2295 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

I read the article, too. The only problem is the TWA certificate won't be retired until August 31. I was surprised Airways reported that since AA released months ago that the certificate was expected to retire on August 31.


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User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

How big is AA now compared to pre-TWA-merger times? Would American still have bought TWA if they would have known what was about to happen to the Aviation scene?

Max


User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

GodBless, in hindsight I doubt AA would have gone ahead with the merger had they known what it would be eventually entail. I get the impression that it was a financially draining process, and yes the timing turned out to be pretty bad.

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 858 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Did this honestly have ANY affect on AA's operations? I've flown on a couple of ex-TWA aircraft on AA and I can't stand them. The older MD-80s prior to reconfiguration are awful, IMO. (I think there is also a difference between ex-TWA FA's and AA FA's as a flight I took from SAN-DFW demonstrated for me).

At this point, this is a formality. TWA has esentially been gone long before this point.



That's why we're here.
User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6912 times:

"It's the end of Trans World as we know it..."

User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

> I assume the reg number is the same? Or will it be re-registered under AA??

I'll assume the former in this case.
it costs money to change registration numbers on a/c.
I'm quite sure AA wouldn't want to spend all that time effort and money on something as trivial as aircraft registrations.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

Sorry but I got to say this:

BRING BACK TWA!!!!!!!!! Once a great airline, and now its just an airline in the history books.  Sad



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6816 times:

Sabre is now an independent company.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

>>Did this honestly have ANY affect on AA's operations?<<

1) Yes. They eliminated a formidable competitor in the Caribbean, and they became, and continue to be, the world's largest carrier due to the acquisition. They also hold some potentially very lucrative route authorities. Additionally, during the integration process, AA took the approach of identifying any best practices at TW they could adopt into the AA organization. So, some TW competencies and thus TW's legacy will always remain a part of AA.

>>I think there is also a difference between ex-TWA FA's and AA FA's as a flight I took from SAN-DFW demonstrated for me<<

2) I don't know when you took that flight, but there haven't been any former TWA FA's around for about a year or so.... all were laid off. But if you worked your butt off flying for a carrier for 20+ years, just to have your carrier bought by another and your seniority list stapled to the bottom, you might be kind of demotivated as well.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineAmerican762 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

We all knew it was here and I'm sad to say. TWA was my first airline experience. I flew TWA EVERYWHERE and always enjoyed their product. Such nice FA's. We remember you always TWA. You were a BEAUTIFUL airline with one of the most beautiful liveries that ever graced the skies (the newer livery).


Pan Am has a place of its' own. You call it the world, we call it home.
User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3562 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6762 times:

What route authorities does AA now own?
Are most out of JFK? Will they start them with the new terminal opening?
With open skies now in effect with many countries, aren't route authorities useless in most cases?

PJ


User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6751 times:

Good Bye TWA!

You were my hometown airline, If TWA didn't fly there, then I didn't go there!
My very first plane ride by myself (with out the family) was in 1985, on TWA skyliner 747 STL-LGW. I was nine, and was and unaccompanied minor. I was allowed to board first, and they let my Dad on the plane to see me off.
The F/As were really nice to me, giving cards, magazines pilot wings. And then when we where about to land, one nice F/A took me up to first class and let me sit in the nose section for landing.
Then as I got older, and started traveling more, TWA was there for me again, STL-CDG, CDG-TLV, JFK-LIS, even STL-YYZ, and of course many time on STL-LGW flight 720/721. And of course their domestic network St. Louis took me everywhere.
You will always be in my heart TWA!

Goodbye.  Crying



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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

The July Airways article was shocking. The business world is full of "if onlys" but..if only TWA 800 hadn't happened and 9/11 hadn't happened. TWA had streamlined its fleet and workforce and look poised to finally become viable. Then along came swaggering American. It was not a merger but a decimation. My last couple of experiences with AA however, remind me of Eastern in its later years and we know what happened to EA.

User currently offlineContinental From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5519 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Man do I feel lucky to have used the TWA terminal at JFK a few times in 2000. It was amazing! The terminal was great, and the gate area had all that red, 70's carpet. It was nice to see all those TWA aircraft sitting at the gate waiting for their passengers. Just months later, it was closed, and TWA was no more.

25 Post contains images RedDragon : "What does LLC stand for?" "Limited liability Corporation." Exciting way to make my forum début, but... what roughly is an LLC? (Compared to British
26 Ssides : LLC actually stands for "Limited Liability Company." Essentially, it is a corporation that is structured like a partnership. In TWA's case, I think th
27 Okie : TWA was in bankruptcy court as the result of self inflicted wounds and bad business decisions previous to AA. TWA and its employees were all reality T
28 TrnsWrld : I personally have no complaints with the ex-TWA aircraft. Sure TW had some old MD-80's but they also had the newest also. After the merger AA's MD-80
29 TWFirst : Okie: The man's name is Icahn, not Ichan.
30 Okie : Thanks for the correction TWFirst. I still think he was Korvorkian. Okie
31 Post contains images TWFirst : Okie: Agreed! (pun intended )
32 BR715-A1-30 : It really is a shame how AA did TWA like that. I remember seeing TWA in SAT, IAH, and MSY
33 Robsawatsky : "TWA had streamlined its fleet and workforce and look poised to finally become viable. Then along came swaggering American. It was not a merger but a
34 Dl021 : I remember flying on one of the last TWA flights from Kansas City to St.Louis. The flight attendant thought it was going to be ok because she was gett
35 Post contains images Thrust : Another blow dealt to St. Louisans. TWA is now officially extinct....and soon their 757s will be gone from the AA fleet R.I.P.
36 B777fa : 2) I don't know when you took that flight, but there haven't been any former TWA FA's around for about a year or so.... all were laid off. But if you
37 Post contains links and images Av8rdal : My Uncle Hans was a proud captain at TWA since the early 1970s. He began flying the 727 "plumber's panel" I think (saw a picture of him in the company
38 Post contains images Atrude777 : "Two great airlines, one GREAT future" TO WHO?!?! I cringe everytime i hear that slogan used. I just STILL cant believe TWA is actually gone. Alex
39 BoeingBus : Yes, TWA is missed... my first flight was July 1980 from JFK to LIS on a 747... No more... surprised AA/TWA killed this route...
40 Blink182 : On the subject of Icahn, did he ever at anytime recieve legal punishment? I know AA's lawyers got the Karabu agreement destroyed, but did the US Gover
41 Post contains images Thrust : So long to one of the world's most highly regarded airlines as well....TWA and Pan Am are the reasons so many airlines with vast global networks exist
42 Av8rdal : I don't think he has ever been prosecuted, mainly because I don't think he has actually broken any laws. He's just a die-hard capitalist billionaire k
43 Ckfred : The reason that TWA got stuck with Carl Icahn is that he was a corporate raider. He would buy a large position in a company, then make a tender offer
44 Ssides : It's unfortunate that this guy is so selfish and only looks out for himself. The employees of TWA had a great company, possibly a great future, and th
45 TWFirst : >>TWFIRST, Just to clarify, The TWA F/As seniority was basically given away by their own union the IAM,when on April 4 2001 they agreed on behalf of T
46 Post contains images Thrust : Well, there was the alternative of Frank Lorenzo....what an idiotic jerk he was! We were lucky to get Icahn Don Carty for AA was just as cruel to STL
47 Okie : Don Carty for AA was just as cruel to STL and TWA as Icahn was in my opinion. He ruthlessly laid off TWA employees, and kept about as many promises to
48 Iairallie : D1021 Neither the FA's nor the Pilots were "stapled to the bottom". TWA FA's hired prior to 4/10/01 recieved a senority date of 4/10/01 which makes th
49 Av8rdal : Hey it sucks to work for a company for 30 years and have them go under. And in this industry it could happen to anyone. I feel for them I really do be
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