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British Airways 744 At Phx  
User currently offlineAdam727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

British Airways has been coming to phx for a long time they have flown there DC-10, 747-400, and there 777 to the valley. For the past year they went from the 744 to the 777 and now I am seeing the 744 back. Is that a good thing? Does it mean that phx could see more intl. airlines in the valley or at least see more of British Airways.

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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

As far as I know BA uses the 744 during the peak travel season to Europe and then switch back to the triple 7 for the winter season.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Does it mean that phx could see more intl. airlines in the valley

Unfortunatley, no. I'm not saying more carrier won't come to Phoenix, but airlines aren't going to say "hey, BA is flying a 744 to Phoenix. Let's go!".

or at least see more of British Airways.

Phoenix is actually seeing less of British Airways. When the flight was a 777, it was daily. As a 747-400, the flight now operates only six days a week.



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User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Is BA the only carrier to offer direct service from PHX to Europe? I've never seen any other European airlines there, although today I did notice KLM serve Terminal 3.

BF



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4437 times:

Is BA the only carrier to offer direct service from PHX to Europe? I've never seen any other European airlines there, although today I did notice KLM serve Terminal 3.

Yes, BA is the only European carrier. Lufthansa served Phoenix between April 2000 and Feburary 2004, however.



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User currently offlineAdam727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4428 times:

British is now the only airline to offer nonstop to Europe. Lufthansa did operate phx to Frankfurt for awhile and that was it. KLM Has a code share with Northwest So what you saw was a KLM jet operating as a NW flight. If you look closely to a NW jet you can see a KLM logo on the plane.

User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

LTU also once offered once weekly L1011 service from phx to germany, back in the mid 90's

User currently offlineKDALAggie From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4327 times:

I must say I'm very jealous. My brother and sister-in-law live in Phoenix. Just northeast of the airport. They live next to a park with a mountain, I think is named "Hole in the Rock?" Anyways, it's only a 5 minute walk from their place or they can just go around their place and see the planes. I visited there last August. My eyes were forever looking up when we were near their place. Oh, well I mentioned to my bro that what was happening and he took some pics for me because of my love for airplanes. It's cool having a brother-in-law. Especially when we both trade secrets about how to react to our wives who are sisters and have very similar attitudes about certain things, but totally different personalities.


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User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4324 times:

Bristolflyer,

I think LH operates a daily A340 there from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA. What I would like to know is: how profitable is it for BA to operate a 744 into Phoenix?

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3315 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

KDALAggie,
The restaurant you are referring to is the "Hole in the Wall", which is at the Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak resort, at the base of Squaw Peak. I too, used to live about a 5-minute walk from there...it's a great area. You can see alot of air traffic from that vantage point.

Tasha,
After 3 years of service, the Lufthansa A340 nonstop to Frankfurt was discontinued in February 2004.  Sad




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User currently offlineCRJBoy From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 92 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

I thought it was a daily 744. I always see it when I go to work...our Mesa jets sometimes leave out of B26 or B28 and the 744 is parked always at B25

User currently offlineQantas744 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 246 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Does anyone know when they switch back to 777? I'm flying LHR-PHX on 10/21 and then back to LHR on 10/31.



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User currently offlineGBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Qantas744 - according to their current timetable application, it's showing as a 744 right the way through to the end of the data set (23/06/2005) still.

Phil


User currently offlineJfkviaphx From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

The 744 was a very interesting aircraft to watch takeoff when it was very hot out. Before they extended the runway it would use up every last inch due to the heat. On some rare occasions they would wait until the air temp would drop at night before leaving the gate.

User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4176 times:
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The KLM sign is retarded - it is for the NW/KLM alliance. Before Lufthansa, there was a weekly flight to Dusseldorf on LTU. And way back when, America West operated a 747 on a PHX-Japan route.

Someone in here did a seat calculation and with the 744 there are actually more seats btw PHX-LON now than with the daily 777. That flight has to be mostly leisure traffic, like Vegas.



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User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Hz747300, I assume you meant American running Phx-Japan route?

BF



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

Hz747300, I assume you meant American running Phx-Japan route?

No, it was America West. They flew Phoenix-Honolulu-Nagoya with a pair of 747-200s.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

double confirm on HP.
At that time, HP operated both the 747 and the Dash 8....before they farmed out the commuter ops.
Case of trying to be everything to everyone.

Speaking of HP, makes me think of Ed Beauvais....
Last I heard he was working on a startup out of SYR called Northern Air (Air Northern?), then switched the base to PIT and called it PROJECT ROAM.
Heard alot about this back in OCT03, but nothing since. Anyone know anything? I assume it's not going to happen.



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User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Oh, I thought that America West were an economy airline only flying within the US. Fairly new to all this a.net stuff!

BF



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User currently offlineAv8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3967 times:

...our Mesa jets sometimes leave out of B26 or B28 and the 744 is parked always at B25

rofl... you mean the 4 a/c we park there during any given bank? I think we have parked every type in our fleet there at one point or another. BE1,CRJ,CR9,DH8.

BA288 flys in every day but Wed according to their timetable.


User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

MY FIRST POST!!! I have been here for years but just joined. Anyway, I am flying to London via PHX in November. When I went online to pick my seats I was able to get upstairs so it is indeed a 747. Hopefully that doesn't change!



User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Radelow, welcome to A.net.

I just jumped back into A.Net this summer, so I have a question or 2 that have probably already been covered, albeit awhile ago.

Why did Lufthansa pull out? Were there loads not good enough to sustain service? Or was it that it was too much just leisure passengers.

Also, Phoenix has a metropolitan area nearing 4 million people, why are there no international services to Europe/Asia. Phoenix has a HUGE Indian population, and I'm sure they could easily fill a flight to Delhi a few times a week. Maybe even a flight from Eva Air, since the have some co-operation with America West.


User currently offlineKDALAggie From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3879 times:

Jmc1975,

The place I was referring to was not a restaurant, but a mountain. There is a path that goes from the front around to the back which leads up to the hole near the top of it. I'll just ask my brother or sister-in-law what the official name is. All I really know is that it is just east and north of the approach into SkyHarbor. I'll let ya know when I find out or I'll simply post pics.

KDALAggie



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User currently offlineKDALAggie From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

I found out. The exact place is Hole-in-the-Rock in Papago Park, just north of the 202 where it turns northward to go around the airport.

Just for people's added spotting places.....

KDALAggie



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2470 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3795 times:

Oh, I thought that America West were an economy airline only flying within the US. Fairly new to all this a.net stuff!

HP is a LCC, however they operate flights to Canada, Mexico, and Costa Rica. Their attempt at overseas 747 operations proved disasterous.

Why did Lufthansa pull out? Were there loads not good enough to sustain service? Or was it that it was too much just leisure passengers.

If I remember correctly, it was in part due to the lack of any feeds. BA codeshares with a number of HP flights.



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25 Johnboy : To Phoenix's disadvantage, it was long considered a tourist (winter) resort destination. The population swelled in the winter, and dropped precipitous
26 Yokohama1970 : i have spoken with my AWA/HP co-workers, who handle the BA 289/288 flight here @ PHX. BA is currently re-configuring the 777, with less 1st class seat
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