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AA Load Factor From BOS-MAN Was Good!  
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Hi Guys,

I got check with the seat map on AA.com and got looking it up with the load factor was good on their way from BOS-MAN and hopeful will make continuing with their flight to MAN and they are doing so well. So as you can see with check out with the load factor seat map almost 90% full.

Regards!

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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

BOS - MAN represents AA's highest load factor service across the Atlantic. Of course the flights have fewer seats than a 777, but this is no mean achienvement given the flight is so young.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Good news and no surprise. BOS-MAN has been a market always screaming for non-stop service.

On a related note, the service is still four months away, but advanced bookings for MIA-MAN are also very good, even in the premium cabins. Still hoping it will go year-round. Thanks to strong bookings, AA has already switched MIA-SKB, launching the same time as MIA-MAN, to year-round. I have also heard BOS-MAN may go year-round and operate in winter 2005/2006. Until then, however, it has already been uploaded into the summer 2005 schedule and will be returning.



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User currently offlineScott4AA From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

Any chance of DFW-MAN on a 763?


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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3249 times:

I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong, but I believe AA served DFW nonstop from MAN for some time before eliminating the service.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3225 times:

AA has served DFW-MAN on a seasonal basis for several years, but I don't know if it will be coming back.

On a separate note, simply checking seat maps on AA.com doesn't give an accurate count of loads. Some seats are reserved for elites and later bookings, others are not assigned until check-in.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3205 times:

Any chance of DFW-MAN on a 763?

Unlikely, because it is irrelavent. All the key connections that can be done on MAN-DFW can also be done via ORD, BOS, and MIA. Plus, those three markets have strong O&D to Manchester to further support the service. AA tried DFW-MAN in summer '95 (or '96, I don't recall). It did not work out well at all.

On a separate note, simply checking seat maps on AA.com doesn't give an accurate count of loads.

That is very true, it does not give a 100% accurate count. Though when you look at a seat map, see the flight is a good 90-95% full, you can bet that the flight will be going out quite full, maybe 85%, maybe 100%.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3182 times:

Great news for BOS and MAN! and for MIA soon..keep it up AA.

By the way MAH...call me dumb but what airport code is "SKB"? I saw you mentioned it as MIA-SKB being launched w/ MIA-MAN



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User currently offlineGustyOrange From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Great news.

Would anyone care to speculate as to whether GLA will be next in line to receive a BOS service with AA ?

NW operated a successful GLA-BOS service for years befor closing their BOS tx hub.

I'm sure AA could do really well on this route.

I came off ORD-GLA on Sunday and the flight was well overbooked.

Cheers

Gusty


User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

I was non-revving back from Europe a few days ago, and the MAN-BOS flight was overooked for Monday and Tuesday! I had my doubts that the service would be a hit, but apparently it's really doing well. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more 757 routes across the Atlantic next year.


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User currently offlineOmshanti From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

Hello All
How far is MAN from LHR? IS it cheaper to fly into LHR from BOS or does it not make a significant difference?

Thanks


User currently offlineMilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

I got check with the seat map on AA.com and got looking it up with the load factor was good on their way from BOS-MAN and hopeful will make continuing with their flight to MAN and they are doing so well. So as you can see with check out with the load factor seat map almost 90% full.

Just FYI - The seatmap on AA.com is not in any way an indicator as to whether a flight is full or not.

AA blocks seats next to elites, exit rows always look "occupied" unless you're an elite where you can select them.

While the loadfactor may be good (I hope it is), I doubt it's the 90% that you're viewing on the seatmap.

[Edited 2004-07-14 22:41:33]

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Well, MAH4546 and this isn't all for service from DFW-MAN years ago and it was no longer use them. It will continuing on their service from ORD, BOS-MAN and coming soon for began new service from MIA-MAN on November 1, 2004.

User currently offlineRob2507 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Milemaster, they took away the seat blocking benefit a while ago, maybe a year and a half now? I thought it was the best elite benefit (at least when you're only Gold).

If the flight continues into the winter, will the FC cabin get FC service, or will it continue as all-coach?


User currently offlineBenjamin From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

On a related note, the service is still four months away, but advanced bookings for MIA-MAN are also very good, even in the premium cabins.

There really are no premium cabins on this flight. All sold as Y with the domestic F Class cabin going to Elites and Y fares!


User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

I don't know if any other MAN regulars have noticed this, but transatlantic fares out of MAN are shockingly high at the moment. I've frequently seen over £100 (~$185) differences between comparable London and MAN flights.... I would be interested to see what yield they are getting on those routes.

[Edited 2004-07-15 14:55:30]

User currently offlineLatinAviation From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

On a related note, the service is still four months away, but advanced bookings for MIA-MAN are also very good, even in the premium cabins.

There really are no premium cabins on this flight. All sold as Y with the domestic F Class cabin going to Elites and Y fares!

- - - - - - - - - - -

Benjamin,

Mark was referring to MIA-MAN, not BOS-MAN.

As far as BOS-MAN's performance, you're correct about checking the seat map. However, as others have confirmed, the route has a stellar load factor and is a strong trans-atlantic performer for AA.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

if the flight continues into the winter, will the FC cabin get FC service, or will it continue as all-coach?

All-coach. There is little demand for premium seats in the summer, even less in the slower winter travel period. I really think that BOS-MAN will go year-round after summer 2005, and MIA-MAN will go year-round after winter 2005/06. They have been strong performers, and there have been reliable rumours that LAX-MAN is on the drawing board for AA as well (seasonal summer service). The fact that AA and BA can codeshare on these flights was a major reason (perhaps the deciding factor) that MIA/BOS-MAN happened.

There really are no premium cabins on this flight. All sold as Y with the domestic F Class cabin going to Elites and Y fares!

That's BOS-MAN. MIA-MAN is operated by a 763 with 30 C class seats.

By the way MAH...call me dumb but what airport code is "SKB"?

St. Kitts & Nevis in the Leeward Islands, West Indies.


While the loadfactor may be good (I hope it is), I doubt it's the 90% that you're viewing on the seatmap.


The load factors are that good. The flight has had more than a fair share oversold days. It is not that hard to fill 188 seats in a decently large tourist market over the peak of summer travel. Not hard at all.



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User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2601 times:


Loads for today and the week are really strong:

Booked/Capacity

Today (7/15)- 190/189
7/16- 178/189
7/17- 175/189
7/18- 87/189 <-non-rev on this day  Big grin
7/19- 175/189

and a look ahead... 7/29- 183/189

Looks like some of the off-peak days are Sun, Tues, & Wed.


User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

No wonder the fares are ridiculous... airlines are not going to oversell a flight on the cheap are they?!

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Yes, they are cheaper ticket to MAN and I think they are doing so good.

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