Bristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5256 times:
Am I the only one to be cynical about all of these announcements from Airbus saying that the A380 may have a casino, bars, gyms etc onboard? The other aircraft that Airbus produce are equally as capable of having all of these things but most don't, so why should we believe that the A380 will?
When it comes to airlines considering a luxury like a casino in place of a couple more seats carrying fare-paying pax then my guess is that the seats will get the vote.
UA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5040 times:
Sure it can hold it. Might not get off the ground and you'd have to be stupid to buy the a/c and do that. Sure it's possible and advertised but any smart operator will pass on the casino and cram as many seats, wall to wall, roof to roof, so that the damn thing is a profit and not a big "fun machine"
As739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 22 Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 5016 times:
I think its a great idea. Take seats out and lower the weight of the plane, then use the open area as a casino. That would make more money then the seats on a long flight. Use the casino money to pay for the return fuel.
"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
Laddb From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
What about BA or AF having one decked out with fitness center, massage rooms, turkish baths, private sleeping rooms, etc. for the rich and famous who used to fly concorde, but now have to fly regular plain old first class with the rest of the low lifes? They could start in LA and make a connection in NYC.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4911 times:
You know, I was thinking about a something funny for this response, like "Yeah, there's gonna be a casino, right next to the movie theater and swimming pool at the end of the mall"...
but a small casino/lounge for first and business class travellers or passengers who buy casino section tickets could actually make money if the tickets were sold to people for access to these seats and the area was small enough or even convertible once the flight is enroute..
...Casinos are a license to print money, and I am sure that some smart person is going to figure out how much will need to be charged on some of these London to Hong Kong or Singapore flights full of businessmen who have 1)money 2) an acknowledged love of gambling and 3)18 hours or so to kill. Heck, consider the idea patented and copyrighted as of now and I will be contacting Mssr, Foregarde (sic) to negotiate a deal.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4902 times:
Not gonna happen poeple. Bank on it. Outside of Virgin, no airline will waste space on such fluff. For one thing, it won't have the room. Won't have the room you say? Yes. Airbus' own website proves it.
Take a look at the cabin layout. This is for the standard 555 seat configuration. With all the galley, lav, and crew rest areas, where the hell are you going to put a duty free shop/casino? The only way it will is to remove seats. When that happens, there goes your operating costs. And then there goes the cost advantage over the 747.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4852 times:
Make the thing convertible in flight. Pax are seated in swiveling or club type chairs for takeoff and then the flight attendants/croupiers/dealers lay out the gaming tables using the front section for a craps table,lightweight aluminum roulette wheels, foldable blackjack tables, video slots and poker at the IFE terminals...this actually could work if passengers booked seats in the exclusive gaming section and paid a premium that helped justify the row of seats you would lose. Use the forward upper business class section and charge first class rates. Be creative and find something that makes money and is unique!
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4817 times:
Something though I continue to maintain in threads like this is that some airline/company should take a lav-sized comparment, figure out how to ventilate the hell outta it, provide proper fire suppression; and then (assuming no legal red tape is imposed) sell it as a smoking lounge.
Charge $5 per puff, or maybe a $20 unlimited entry per flight pass (both applied to Coach passengers only)... smokers will pay it.
Hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1634 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4800 times:
I wouldn't mind a toilet built into the seat. I could just lift up the cushion, which doubles as a flotation device, and do my business. I would not have to worry about climbing over two other people (especially from the middle seat on that nasty 2-5-2 configuration) to get to the restroom. I probably would use it if the regular toilets became pay toilets like O'Leary was suggesting.
Don't look for anything fancy in the A380, just seats for revenue paying customers.
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4760 times:
Tasha..Delusional?!?!? You wound me! Y'know, they called Bugsy Seigel delusional when he said "Build it and they will come.." way out in the desert, and we see where he wound up.....wait, scratch that, reverse it (a little Wonkaesque paraphrase ), look at how Vegas wound up! The only thing the airlines have to fear in an onboard casino is how to protect the electronic transfers of money being made.
They could even partition off that section and make it a smoking section where the passengers stay all trip. All you people who say the airlines won't scarifice revenue generating seats are not reading the whole thing. This cann all be done on convertible seats and couches, with capacity in the section close to the original business class capacity, and first class rates being charged with walk up upgrades available to ensure the airline makes the money necessary. If they require a minimum entry pot for the players they will undoubtedly make a profit and earn the business of the travellers looking for something different.
Dang, I'm starting to think it would actually work.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17294 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4698 times:
A lot of this is very reminiscent of what Boeing was offering and suggesting on the 747 when it first came out. Many airlines put bars and lounges onboard, and those went away very quickly, replaced with revenue generating seats (even the L-1011 offered a lounge, but if really was only used by a few operators) So unless the revenues would be more than the amount of revenue seats in that space would generate, you won't see casinos, shops, and gyms onboard an A380. I do think that some airlines will offer private cabins onboard, very much like the sleeper cars onboard trains.
Robsawatsky From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
Airbus has come up with all sorts of interior fitment concepts for the A380. A nice, flashy, marketing ploy. But since airlines are the final authorities on what possible/available interior features are installed, it really is an airline not an Airbus issue.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4653 times:
I am sure most airlines would pack it with passengers. But I wouldn't rule out completely the casino option.
Today airplanes transports passengers, and everything is free for them. And like Dl021 mentioned casinos are a license to print money. So you would only have to equal the money you loose by loosing seat with the money you get from the casino.
So a little bit mathematics. If you loose 20 eco-seat on a Frankfurt-Hong Kong for installing a casino and everyone of these passengers pays at average 1000euro for its flight you would loose 20.000euro. So this casino must bring in more than 20.000euros to be profitable.
I don't know if there are routes around the world which could bring in so much gambling passengers who would spend such an amount of money. But its not completely unlikely
Dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11443 posts, RR: 78 Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4579 times:
I think we are still missing the point that there will be passeners seated in revenue generating seats INSIDE the casino section. You would not lose 20 eco seats. You may lose 6 business seats and big deal. On a long enough flight you charge a premium for the section (you could even rotate pax who wish to sleep with those who wish to play for an extra fee). There are couches that could be installed where people would be assigned those seats and all kinds of possibilities. We need to unass this box and think different. There has to be some airline exec out there reading this. TAKE NOTE!!
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25 Hz747300: Oh yeah, I'm sure that airline execs get their ideas from the A.Net message boards. That last idea would be silly: - First Class - Business Class - Co
26 ChrisNH: So if the roullette ball goes haywire because the plane hits a bump, will people cry 'Foul!!' ? And when the plane makes a turn and chips fall all ove
27 Tasha: Perhaps I'm just being cheap here or something, but the last thing I want is to drop money at a casino. Here in Biloxi, you can drive up and down High
28 JoFMO: @ Hz747300 this idea is not that silly. Mr O`Leary already pointed out that this is one of his long term goals. Flying the passengers for free and get
29 Rupesnz: My two NZ$0.02 on this is that the A380 is rated to carry a certain number of passengers, while it could carry more it may not - for evacuation reason
30 Dl021: Does no one have a sense of humor? Gambling on board aircraft is coming whether we like it or not. The access to highspeed internet that Connexxion no
31 ARGinMIA: They should put slot machines on the outside walls of the bathrooms.. so while people wait to use their bathrooom.. they gamble.. btw.. once you get i
32 Cloudy: Tasha..Delusional?!?!? You wound me! Y'know, they called Bugsy Seigel delusional when he said "Build it and they will come.." way out in the desert, a
33 ZKSUJ: I highly doubt it as it probably will not be very economical unless the gamblers are addicted and the money gained goes straight to the airline Note*
34 JGPH1A: ...Casinos are a license to print money, and I am sure that some smart person is going to figure out how much will need to be charged on some of these
35 Iad777: Of course not! It's an absolute marketing ploy!! It will be a cattle-car in economy class! Business and First will be quite nice. But its the same dea
36 Infiniti757: How many seats can the A380 actually have before Airbus is required to add more emergency exits? If the limit isn't too far above the current configur
37 Jwenting: Can I interest you in some snake oil? A cold fusion powerplant in Nigeria maybe? Or what about a pill that will increase your size by as much as 4 inc
38 JCS: First of all: the casino wouldn't cost any seats when putting in on the lowest of our 3 decks. When the A346 had restrooms and galleries on the lower
39 Caribb: I guess it boils down to whether the cost of casino equipment, their weight, expense/maintenance (including their burden on aircraft electrical system
40 United_Fan: I just can't see Casinos due to what was mentioned above as far as roulette and the weight of coins for slots. Also,how level would a bowling alley b
41 SAS330GOT: In my opinion the A380 will have enough room to host a Casino but as everyone says who/what airline will use it? Look at Virgin they have a bar and ma
42 Dl021: You see..get people talking and we start to identify real objections. Which is the first step to gaining acceptance. Number one...there would be no co
43 ScottysAir: It not gonna happening with A380 for having with casino either and it will use with the bar and etc.
44 Cores001: I don´t understand why on earth this subject always comes up in connection with the A380 (only rational reason I can imagine is the excitement of a n
45 SAS330GOT: I am young and the 747 has always been there. But I am now asking the older more wise people on this site if they know if there was the same ideas flo
46 ConcordeBoy: who were the people paying 16000 round trip to fly Concorde? ...careless spenders? Considering that you could've gotten three roundtrip Concorde rides
47 FLY2LIM: As a "casino veteran" (that means that I have visited and played in a number of them, I don't work in the industry) I'll give my two cents. It is obvi
48 Singaporegirl: a few months ago, singapore airlines did a study with our frequent fliers regarding the space usage of the upcoming a380s. i heard that there will be