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Southwest To Announce New PHL Flights  
User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

The Philly Inquirer is reporting that Southwest will announce another 13 new flights from PHL, to begin Oct. 31. New routes to Hartford, Oakland, and Jackonsville.

Here is the link.
http://cnniw.yellowbrix.com/pages/cnniw/Story.nsp?story_id=54011269&ID=cnniw&scategory=Aviation&

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Wow!!! This is great news for WN and adds more flights to OAK, BDL, & JAX and it was more than of cities out of PHL. I spoke with my friend Mark was told me about these flights are very full on out of PHL and they are doing so well.

Now, they will make more cities of MDW, MHT, PVD, LAS, PHX, LAX, HOU, MSY, RDU, MCO, TPA, PBI & FLL. And will be adds 3 more cities to OAK, BDL, & JAX and it is whole of 15 cities out of PHL and they are doing well for more than of 60,000 customers.


User currently offlineJlp123 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

Anyone have any idea why they haven't started service to BNA yet? Seems like a natural fit to me

User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6179 times:

LOL!!! The Philly Inquirer...please don't tell me that you actually believe anything they write?? especially anything concerning the PHL airport.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

No, it will not begin for nonstop from PHL-BNA and which one is only for one-stop service to RDU for same plane on their way to BNA. It can make it with their flights to BNA.

User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 785 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

LOL!!! The Philly Inquirer...please don't tell me that you actually believe anything they write?? especially anything concerning the PHL airport.

Hey Freshlove1 - are you confusing the Philadelphia Inquirer with the National Enquirer? The Philadelphia Inquirer is the city's main newspaper and it is how most everybody in the Philadelphia metropolitan area start their day.

Chattanooga 747



You land a million planes safely, then you have one little mid-air and you never hear the end of it - Pushing Tin
User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Yeah I know what it is and I also know there is a tremendous amount of B.S that is written in it. Thats why I cancelled my subscription of it 6 months ago. USATODAY is where the news be at people.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

I believe it. There was a thread on this forum as well as one over at flyertalk wondering why Southwest hadn't extended their schedule beyond Oct. 29 yet and the speculation was that they'd announce another round of new flights at their earnings conference call tomorrow and were waiting for the announcement to extend the schedule.

BDL and OAK don't surprise me, but JAX does in that US Airways already offers service at a pretty decent price. Without going back and checking, I think US average fare was around $127.00 each way, so it's not like they're gougin customers on this route.

BDL is a different story, though. US' average one-way fare PHL-BDL is well over $200.00 each way (for a 196mile trip), so BDL-PHL seems like a natural. Southwest had already announced Saturday-only nonstop to OAK (hadn't they?) and that's often times an indicator that daily service will soon follow.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6057 times:
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Just curious...how long do you think before PHL starts to choke on it's new found success? Any sort of WX turns PHL into one of the flow control capitals of the western world.
With USAir determined to defend PHL as a 'fortress hub' and Southwest seemingly determined to expand there as quickly as possible, how long before the airport reaches the breaking point?


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5894 times:

I was wondering the same thing..

How long before the sides of the PHL barrel burst and everything just blows to heck? From what I can recall of my travels through PHL.. it wasn't that timely B4 WN appeared.. I wonder how it is going to fair now?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5875 times:

The Philly Inquirer...please don't tell me that you actually believe anything they write?? especially anything concerning the PHL airport.

Freshlove1,

Check out the below-thread. The starter includes a web-link from the Yahoo Business section which confirms the Philly Inquirer story.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1652523/

Edit:

For additional proof, here's the direct-link to BizYahoo:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040715/dath010_1.html


[Edited 2004-07-15 15:59:20]


"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5818 times:

If US goes out of business, PHL suddenly becomes a lot less busy. Even if other airlines move in to fill the void, I doubt it'll be AS busy as it is now.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week ago) and read 5788 times:

PHLBOS,

Thanks for showing me with the news about PHL and this is really great news for more service to BDL, OAK, & JAX. I think would be wonderful for more excellent service to PHL.

Also, they adds more flights from PHL to FLL, LAX, MDW & MHT. It is wonderful flight to PHL and which one is always full on their way.

Regards!


User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3477 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

This is WN's chance to do something really, really sneaky!
If I was them I would apply for LCC slots at LGA--they always grant these slots to the LCCs. I would just get 5 or so and start 5 daily flights from LGA to PHL.
US would go nuts! And WN would finally have an entrance into the NYC market. It is a great opportunity. They shouldn't even think of JFK or EWR on this one. Go right for the Lion's heart at LGA!

PJ


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

How many more flights can WN add before it reaches its capacity on the gates it currently has?


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

They can probably max out the gates at 44/45 flts a day. That's around 11 flts a day per gate. So they can only add 2 or 3 flts after the october schedule, unless somehow they can get a handle on more exsisting gates, since new ones won't be completed for at least 1 or 2 years

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

would they be able to do some "moving around?" Maybe move Northwest to concourse A...that would free up some space  Big thumbs up It seems like PHL is doing well for Southwest and if they are not able to expand anymore because of space, then that would be sad  Sad


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

They can probably max out the gates at 44/45 flts a day. That's around 11 flts a day per gate. So they can only add 2 or 3 flts after the october schedule, unless somehow they can get a handle on more exsisting gates, since new ones won't be completed for at least 1 or 2 years

If push came to shove regarding available gates, WN could utilize the old Overseas Terminal which is still there. After going through security at Terminal E, passengers can be directed to a courtesy bus that could take them to/from the plane. I believe there are a couple of exit doors at Terminal E that presently workers use to get to the aircraft apron outside. One downside (and certainly not the only one) to this would be the longer baggage transport time from E to the Overseas Terminal.

At present, usually during the late evening and early morning hours I've seen a few planes parked at the old Overseas Terminal (which is visable from I-95); usually CO, NW, UA and even YX.

Maybe move Northwest to concourse A

I do not believe that A-East or A-West has 3 spare gates for NW to move. They presently use E2, E4, & E6.

Maybe WN can use the spare Gate D12 next to FL... Yeah! Right.  Yeah sure

Or use a US gate at B, C, or D... Yeah! Double-Right!  Yeah sure



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5585 times:

To some cities, Southwest giveth. In other cities, Southwest taketh away. Looks like HOU and DAL are the big losers with the latest schedule changes with each losing 10 daily departures.

Between now and Oct. 31, HOU loses2 daily departures to AUS, 2 daily departures to SAT, 3 daily departures to MSY and 3 daily departures to DAL.

DAL is losing 1 daily departure to ABQ, 1 daily departure to LIT, 1 daily departure to MAF, 2 daily departures to OKC, 2 daily departures to TUL and 3 daily departures to HOU.

I've read (but not verified) that LAX-LAS is also losing 1 daily roundtrip.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5533 times:

PHL-LGA service is kind of pointless since it usually takes less time to drive or take the train when you add in being at the airport an hour in advance, time spent in line for departure, etc.

With good scheduling, Southwest could probably squeeze another ten flights or so (with really clever scheduling, twenty more) per day out of their four PHL gates -- there are certain times of the day when they have no flights departing for 45 minutes to an hour or more. Granted, they may be avoiding the US Airways hub banks at those times. From looking at the new schedule, the A.M. originators seem to need about 40 minutes on the gate, and they could push a few more out between 0545 and 0620 or after 0730. They've only got seven flights departing in the 4.5 hours between 1155 and 1630, mid-mornings are quiet, and evenings are quiet between 1845 and 2115.

I guess one big question is whether WN feels it can get access to more gates before the Concourse E expansion is completed (is there a status on this project?) or before all the leases come up for renewal in two years. It's certainly possible that a couple of concourses might become available if US management can't figure out how to run their airline efficiently.

And yeah, sure looks like the Philly Inquirer missed the ball on this one...NOT. How long until US announces GoFares to BDL and JAX? They haven't matched to BDL in the reservations system yet.


User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

LoneStarMike-

I suspect that some of the decreases intra-Texas are due to the retirement of the 737-200's and likely replacement with -300's and -700's. Plus HOU-AUS has got to have seen dramatic decreases in demand with the speed limit at 70, the new AUS being out at Bergstrom, improvements to SH 71 and US 290, more security hassle, etc. Hey, do they still have the "If you hit this, you'll hit bridge" sign on the SH 71 underpass at I-10 in Columbus?

HOU-SAT and DAL-OKC are pretty short flights as well, also affected by higher speed limits and increased security.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

I guess one big question is whether WN feels it can get access to more gates before the Concourse E expansion is completed (is there a status on this project?)

At present, the project is still in the preliminary design stages. I anticipate that bid documents for construction will be out by early 2005 with construction starting before next summer. Mind you, this is just a prediction.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Finally finally finally a non-stop from the bay area to PHL on something besides US and US and also not out of SFO.

It would be sheer bliss for me is they made it SJC-PHL since I live about 2 miles from SJC. But, can't have it all.

Anyways, more non-stop options for me and my wife to visit her family in PHL.

Interestingly enough, RT fares between SFO and PHL on UA and US have been hovering around 300. So SWA coming into this route I don't think is going to drop fares too much.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5309 times:

I thought they were going to tear down the building...if not then i would say remodel it and put it to use. Would it be possible to maybe add on to the overseas terminal and possibly use a tram/bus to connect the "overseas" terminal with the main building?


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User currently offlineScottb From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6763 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Just as a followup to the whole question about gates at PHL, this same question was raised in the results conference call this afternoon. Gary Kelly basically stated that the 41 flights scheduled are at or close to full utilization of those four gates. It was interesting, though, that he seemed somewhat evasive in giving a response to whether they'd be able to acquire additional gates at PHL aside from saying they wouldn't be able to in Concourse E.

I'd also add that they said that red-eye flying is NOT anticipated in the fall/winter schedule.


25 ChrisNH : Manchester (MHT) gets a 'giveth' and a 'taketh-away.' The 'giveth' is our fifth nonstop to/from PHL. The 'taketh-away' is that we lose our lone nonsto
26 LoneStarMike : Other Southwest city-pairs where frequency is being cut back include MDW-IND (losing 1 daily departure), BWI-ORF (losing 2 daily departures), FLL-MCO
27 ATL2CDG : Freshlove1: USAToday is for third graders... Oh wait... I'm sorry... Are you in a coma?
28 ORD2PHL : Yeah I know what it is and I also know there is a tremendous amount of B.S that is written in it. Thats why I cancelled my subscription of it 6 months
29 ScottysAir : LoneStarMike, Can you tell me about load factor was doing from PHL-LAX, HOU, MSY, RDU, FLL, MHT, & PBI is doing and how many passengers are onboard wi
30 Goboeing : Anyone who starts there day reading the Philadelphia Inquirer is nuts. That newspaper is so left wing and socialist it is sometimes like reading propa
31 LoneStarMike : Sorry Scotty, I don't have load factors. I don't work for WN. I only figured out the reduced frequencies by comparing the schedule today with the sche
32 ScottysAir : Thanks!! I will try to find something else about service to PHL and they need to make more ticket counter space. Is that will adds 41 daily departures
33 Okie : HOU-SAT and DAL-OKC are pretty short flights as well, also affected by higher speed limits and increased security It is pretty much a wash timewise to
34 BigB : Okie, The Load factors for OKC-DAL Descent most of the time. I say around 60-70% on weekdays. There are usually a good number of pax who orignate in H
35 PHLBOS : Thanks!! I will try to find something else about service to PHL and they need to make more ticket counter space. In conjuction with the Hammerhead E p
36 Goingboeing : It is pretty much a wash timewise to drive OKC-DAL since 9-11 extra security. You are also limited with the Wright Amendment as to what destinations y
37 Post contains images 7E72004 : How many gates does/did the old overseas terminal have? Does anyone have any pictures of the inside of that terminal?
38 MSYtristar : MSY loses 3 HOU flights (bringing the total down to 17 flights every weekday) and 2 to BHM (down to 5 daily flights). I can live with these reductions
39 Post contains images 7E72004 : What are the chances that Southwest at some point will add PHL-IND? I fly to PHL every now and then and would not mind having Southwest as an option
40 Post contains images Lakini1102 : I can't wait for WN to add a second n/s LAS flight. The evening flight can be kind of inconvenient since it gets you to Vegas kind of late. I'm sure a
41 InnocuousFox : Hey Freshlove1, I understand that the date on today's Phily Inquirer said "Friday, July 16th 2004". Any truth to that? Has it been corroborated by any
42 VSMike : Oh God, y'all... I'm crying. USA Today vs. PHL Inquirer... look at the photos... corroborate the date... it's all too much! Can we get a tally on who
43 ScottysAir : Come on y'all!!! it will not problems with WN in PHL and they are doing so well out of PHL. I am sure WN will make second daily from PHL-LAS anytime s
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