BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14 Posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
Could someone please solve a long-running argument that I had with a friend who was employed by Caledonian Airways?
He insists that the Caledonian Airways of recent years, that ran charter flights on behalf of UK tour operators, was formerly British Caledonian.
I told him he was wrong – British Caledonian was taken over by BA who subsequently decided to call their charter arm 'Caledonian' and this used British Caledonian's livery (albeit modified) and tartan uniforms, but was in no way a revamped British Caledonian. Eventually BA sold Caledonian to a tour operator, so the new Caledonian Airways had as much resemblance to British Caledonian as the new PanAm has to the great PanAm.
Normally I would drop the argument, but now two other people who worked for Caledonian have said that my friend is 100% correct and I am wrong. Am I?
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JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2868 times:
I think your version is correct. BCal was bought by BA and merged entirely into the BA mainline operation. BA then decided to rename their old British Airtours outfit "Caledonian", which was later sold to one of the UK charter operations (I forget which - they change about every 6 months anyway).
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
You are correct - the original BCal had a schedule network to europe plus longhaul to many destinations worldwide all based at Gatwick.
The 2nd Caledonian was a charter operation only: BA combined its charter operations, those of the original BCal, plus picked up a few contracts and relaunched the Caledonian name. I believe that Caledonian (2nd) operated with ex-BA 1011s at the beginning.
Caledonian Airways later merged with Flying Colours, to form JMC Air. JMC Air was later re-branded to the current Thomas Cook Airlines (UK), so British Airtours still lives on in its own way, within this airline....
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2295 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
Caledonian was sold to the Inspirations group. As everyone else has pointed out Caledonian Airways was a rebranded British Airtours. Retained the association without actually carrying on the BCal name. The Lion logo was stylised and a modified version of the BA colours applied - looked stylish, shame they didn't apply a yellow speedwing instead of the full wrap cheatline. All aircraft were named after Scottish lochs.
The 737-236s were replaced by 757-236s, four purchased by BA plus two ex-Air Europe examples leased in. There were also six L.1011 TriStars, later joined by a DC-10 when Caledonian started serving NAS, GCM, SJU and TPA on behalf of BA.
Whitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2733 times:
I suppose the 1985 British Airtours tragedy at MAN didn't help the image of British Airtours either.... I'm sure this will have had something, if a little, to do with the brand change.
It certainly did.
Caledonian was rebranded to dispense with that KT (British Airtours' old flight prefix) name and its tragic link to an accident on British soil. The accident happening in Britain meant it was reported in greater depth and stuck in the public mind.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2650 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (11 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2648 times:
Caledonian continued to use the KT code for some time after being re-branded from British Airtours, I flew MAN-FAO-MAN in October 1990 on G-BPEB, they were still using the KT code then. The CKT code was introduced a couple of years later.
As I remember, the KG code obtained and used for Caledonian's no-frills charter services, initially under the Atlanta Airways/International Airways banner, to distance the cheaper service from the Caledonian brand.
These flights were mainly flown by appropriately registered G-CEAP!
I think they continued to use the KG code when the no-fills operation was re-braned (again!) as Peach Air, when flights were operated by 2 different airlines under the same brand - Air Atlanta (TriStar) and Sabre (737)