ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6828 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
I know that I am probably the only person up here who thinks this.. but JFK, BOS, MIA, IAD are all just a bit too utilized to be a hub for yet another airline. Couldn't a different airport be a hub? RIC, MHT, GSO, BMH, or Ft Myers or somebody.. Give these other hubs a chance to breathe a bit... You know, besides the capacity thing.. all of these airports can be upgraded like all the current hubs have been... and many of these smaller airports would most likely subsidize... just a thought.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2896 times:
I dont think America West is looking to open another hub, but they are expanding by introducing point to point service and conencting some of the cities in their route network with direct flights. The transcons are one part of the new plan, also note that America West started service out of LAX to Vancouver and several mexican beach destinations. I think that we will see more of that in the future.
In addition, America West is still growing its hubs at PHX and LAS.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2758 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2841 times:
Can anyone tell me how many gates HP has at JFK, ORD, and MIA? I suspect the numbers are small in each city(no more than two). That would be one barrier to starting a focus city or intra-eastcoast point-to-point flights. I wish HP had the forethought to grab JFK gates before B6 got started.
I'm still waiting for LAX-MIA and LAX-ORD.
Yes, like the "growth through utilization" plan, the LAX expansion was not well thought out. HP's biggest problem is simply a shortage of mainline aircraft. While they added 4 planes recently(601AW, 602AW, 603AW, 604AW), they need more. Hopefully they'll add more A320's this year and the rumored 757's.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2780 times:
Having just done two trans-cons on AW, I must say that I doubt that I will ever fly them again for a flight longer than an hour. The passengers on the flights are of quite an odd nature and are not your regular passengers. The crew is alright, but they do not seem very polished. The non-existent food service (unless you pay) is also pretty bad.
From what I have seen, First Class is not that good either.
So, with little room at JFK in the evening, flights not always completely filled, and probably not loyal customers, I would not expect a major expansion of AW at JFK. Other cities may be different, but I have a feeling that AW will not be expanding.
Klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 961 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2762 times:
I fly LAX to JFK on America West a couple of times a year in first class. Not the greatest first class service but all I really care about is the extra room so I can work on my laptop during the trip. Also, I don't know any other airline out there that can beat the price for non-stop in first on that route, currently under $800.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33921 posts, RR: 70
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2715 times:
I dont' really think you need a lot of O&D for a hub.. it is mostly connecting traffic...
Of course you do. The connecting traffic brings the volume, but it's the O&D traffic that brings the heavier profits. The yields are greater.
Take a look at most of America's weaker (weaker than others, I don't mean money losing) hubs...Cleveland, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Salt Lake City...it's no surprise they are in weaker O&D markets. While there are three major exceptions, Cincinatti and Charlotte, they thrive because the hub airlines' market dominance in those areas allows them to charge extremely high fares to the small O&D base. Lack of O&D is one reason why Nashville and Raleigh aren't AA hubs anymore (there are many factors, though, not just that).
For example, someone flying MIA-SJU as an O&D passenger pays about $280 for thier round-trip ticket. Someone flying CLT-SJU via MIA is going to pay about $400, even though they are taking up two segments.
O&D passengers fly less miles for the price they on thier tickets. They represent the bulk of profits at many major hubs, most notably AA's MIA hub, US' PHL hub, and UA's SFO hub.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2634 times:
on the coast to coast subject, back in the beginning of the year, before fuel prices rose so high, talks were about improving on board service to compete a lil better on the transcons with ua and aa. i was dropping off a car at alamo headed to term 1 to hp, and the bus was filled with ny execs, and we got talking about the flights. they laughingly joked about hp and thanking them for lowering their fares, but they would never fly them due to lack of service. as much as i love hp, i wrote this exactly to hp, and the response letter that i received was mentioning that were speculating about upgrades in their F product, ie, hot towels, dual meal service, one hot and later cold in F. due to costs, this never happened. on another note, lax will see more service, most rumored is miami, another hit at aa, ahahahah, good i say, make aa fall!!! a lot of people here do miss a couple of things about the transcons, some of the flights were timed for hnl connections to ha, and for mexico connections. the evening mexico arrivals time well for the night flights to bos and jfk for the summer, and the earliest arrival from iad is timed to connect to mexico. hopefully look at two more gates in terminal 1 for hp and eventually the usair club hopefully if all goes well will be hp's
Flyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2567 times:
While our service is not up to par with AA and UA, we are also not trying to be up to par with them either. We implented these routes mainly because of the high fares charged by the big 3. We saw a big market for low cost service between 2 major business centers and it is doing very well. We've added the 2 red eyes out of LAX to JFK and BOS. Everytime I've checked them, they were all full. The IAD route is doing fairly well too, but I did read it was being dropped to one departure from two. This is probably due more to our lack of aircraft, then to low load factors.
I haven't heard any complaints about our service on long flights. Since we started the buy on board again, most people were very happy to have at least the option to buy food, though a lot said they could care less....they just bring their own anyway. Quite honestly the biggest complainers are the frequent business travelers who are spoiled by flying first class all time on the legacy carriers. Alot of companies have switched to low fare airlines, including HP, TZ, FL, etc. and I wouldn't call their service bad...it's simply different. It's more of a response to their displeasure of having to switch to LCC's.