ZSSNC From Germany, joined Feb 2003, 428 posts, RR: 7 Posted (11 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
Effective 16th February 2005 SAA will start serving AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA/CPT daily using the A340-600. The service will be year round.
Since both flights (AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA/JNB and AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA/CPT) are nightflights in both directions consequently 4 A340-600s will be utilized on the AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA routes from that point on which brings me to my question: Which route will the A340-600 be axed from? With just 7 A340-600s in the fleet, either HKG or ATL will have to be axed equipment wise.
Airbus A340-600 - the longest temptation in the sky
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4635 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3857 times:
Has the route proven to be such a success or is this pure retaliation to Lufthansa's announcement of daily non-stop A343 service on the route, which in itself was answer to SAA's planned thrice weekly A342 service, that had already been upgraded to A346. How's the relationship between the two airlines?
ZSSNC From Germany, joined Feb 2003, 428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
no, this is not a retaliation to LH's announcement to introduce a daily nonstop service. SAA had planned this all along. Also, it was quite logical that SAA would do it. With just three weekly services versus seven of your competitor you can only lose. And either you win or you lose. And I'm pretty sure that SAA is determined to win.
Airbus A340-600 - the longest temptation in the sky
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3700 times:
Yet Jaan Albrecht, from Star Alliance, made it clear that SA has to relinquish it's codeshare agreements with QF and CX..... I still don't get it. QF can codeshare with OZ on the SYD-INC-SYD route. Maybe it's because OZ is the operating carrier?!
Andz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8582 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3544 times:
This is the plan IF the Star Alliance membership goes through.
South Africa has to be the hottest destination for German tourists right now, never mind the close business links the two countries have. I have flown between SA and Germany many times non-rev and it can be a bitch to get a seat, in summer season here you hear more German than English in Cape Town! I remember when the SA routing was AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-JNB-CPT and most of the German pax stayed on in JNB so this makes absolute sense. Neither SA nor LH will have any trouble filling the seats.
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1116 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
HKG and SA - Georgia">ATL are hard to compare. HKG has a lot of O/D traffic whereas SA - Georgia">ATL is mostly connex travel. It is not important if SA's passenger arrive in SA - Georgia">ATL or SA - Virginia">IAD, as long as they have the right codeshare partner. And it looks like that will be UA and US in the near future.
You guys are right that both LH and SA will fill their seats in the (European)winter season. But will they continue to have all these seats next summer? It seams that North America is becoming really popular again with Germans after the dismal summer 2003. South Africa was the big winner last year when people were afraid to fly to North America because of SARS and the Iraq war.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (11 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
FraT, you're right about Atlanta being much more an airport used for connections than Hong Kong is, although I doubt that CX's connections hurt SAA in Asia...
But is Hong Kong to South Africa really that much of an O/D market? I was always under the impression that HKG was mainly on SAA's route map because of business connections, not because of tourist travel.
As for filling the seats between Frankfurt and South Africa - even if the demand does go down a bit, which remains to be seen, I doubt that LH and SA will really have trouble filling the seats: while working for a tour operator sending tourists from Germany to South Africa we at some point almost even stopped checking SA and LH, because we knew they'd be fully booked - and that sometimes included low seasons: the result was that we sent passengers through CDG, LHR, ZRH and AMS - whenever something was available on those routes (which, often enough, was as problematic as the routes from Frankfurt): only when SAA gave us permission to use the ZRH and CDG flights (and an occasional authorisation to put someone on an LHR fligh - later on we got rates that included LHR as well) did we actually start actively checking them again, because those routes usually had some capacities left while Frankfurt was already hopelessly overbooked.
Andz, the glitch is in the a.net database - unfortunately, the site creates a recursive acronym tag in the case of Frankfurt (and a few other airports that are also used as "Airbase" - the word Airbase is abbreviated as "AB", which the programming behind a.net then tries to interpret as the 2-letter-code for Air Berlin)... which, unfortunately, creates that unreadable output.
SAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
To half answer the original question in this topic, I notice that when SAA starts the initial service with A346's from FACT-EDDF the aircraft will be taken from the CDG route. A342's will therefore serve JNB-CDG from 5 Oct.
Perhaps the increase to daily service of SA262 follows the delivery of the airline's 8th A340-600????