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JetBlue Sets Sights On Detroit!  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3047 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5260 times:

http://www.detnews.com/2004/business/0407/18/c01-215224.htm

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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

This can't look good for NW - they have traditionally held a stronghold on their hubs for exclusive routes.

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5217 times:

What a useless article. Its says it safe to say you could see B6 fly DTW-FLL in the next few years. Well jeez, I can think off 100 routes they may fly in the next few years. Just my opinion!

ASSFO



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

one question WHAT THE HECK IS IN DTW?

User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Squirrel83, only the third richest county in the country, Oakland county. Hate to tell you this but there is a state attached to Detrioit, with over 600 miles of shoreline.

User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

That article was the first thing I read when I opened my Sunday combined Detroit News/Free Press. That article could have been in any newspaper serving any medium to large city in the US............

JetBlue sets sights on fill in the blank....take your pick...Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Kansas City etc.



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User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

TONS of car stuff is in Detroit.

Being a Detroiter and faithful to Northwest through the years, howevere, it is nice to have another airline, but my guess it they wont even be here until 2008 when the new terminal north terminal opens up. And also like the article says “We aren’t even in initial talks with Detroit at this point,” said Burke. “It has been very informal conversations with Detroit.”

So give it some time to develop.


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

correction on the shoreline, over 3200 miles of greatlake shoreline and almost 10 million people ,over half living within an hours drive to DTW. makes for a strong pop. base to work from. always thought that we could use a strong second carrier into DTW

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5107 times:

This article tells you nothing. Like other have said it could be any major city with a airport. Must be a slow news week.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5101 times:

I imagine that there could be a lot of business people traveling, as well as others who may want to fly something other than NW. Another possibility is that they could gain loyal Midwest Express customers who go to DTW via Milwaukee.

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

Just a FYI - DTW does have competition, both WN and Spirit offers flights from DTW. Also in MSP SunCountry has flights.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

If Jet Blue is setting its sights on a DTW-FLL route, Northwest isnt the only one worried, I would assume Spirit would be just as well especially since that is between the two Spirit hubs.

As for a DTW-JFK route, that ends Northwest's pretty much monopoly on that route other than the once a day Comair CRJ.


User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 697 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Why is it that everyone thinks bringing in a LCC to DTW will hurt NWA so much? I don't think it'll hardly do NWA a thing. Even if B6 started servicing DTW today, what kind of routes would it fly from DTW? Would they offer 10 daily DTW-JFK or 5 daily DTW-LongBeach? Unless B6 considers some kind of "hubbing" at DTW, it won't dent NWA a bit. In my opinion, fewer than 5 routes and fewer than 4 daily frequencies (from B6) would just be like another UA, AA, or even WN. My $0.02...

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5041 times:

B2443 is correct...NW has a HUB at DTW...a hub=connecting pax.... Now, if jetBlue was to launch a hub from DTW, there would be a problem!

Would jetBlue consider FNT or DET? The 190s should be able to land at DET and FNT has a lot of potential O&D to NY


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

luv2fly, i hardly call less than 60 flights between WN and spirit any kind of competition for Northwest, which flys more than 500 flights a day. I think Wn missed the boat here as far as truely setting up a mini hub
. Problem is when the new terminal was built mcnamara gave away the farm to northwest,as they have the right of first refusal to any new airlines coming into DTW. when the davey replacment terminal is finished ,they cant even have a customs without nwa approval


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Dtw9

You might check your facts, yes NW can deny someone using there (NW) facilities, i.e. terminal. NW has no say over who is flying into DTW and using the Smith terminal.

Also the old international terminal is still in use and has customs available.

[Edited 2004-07-18 16:24:56]


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

luv2fly you may want to check yours, its well known that once the berry is gone there can be no new customs built without nwa approval . also have you seen any new entrants latley , other than indy air, who were already here as ual express

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

NW controls there terminal they can not dictate what happens at the other facilities. The airport itself is not owned by NW.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

why to think i said that mcnamra gave away the farm? he gave them unheard of contol over what happens at that airport.

User currently offlineAirtran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3692 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4970 times:
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If B6 shows their face in DTW, I hope NW does the same thing that DL did in ATL.


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User currently offlineBig777jet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Why don't JetBlue fly to Detriot City Airport (DET)?  Laugh out loud  Big thumbs up I bet A320 can handle on short runway landing and take off.

Big777jet



User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

wn tried DET as did Proair, to short of runway for full loads, which the city will never lengthen, really can't cause of the cemetery on the north end .also the area around city is a dump, wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Yeah DET is a joke they'd be better off trying FNT. Doesn't NW still have a say what happens at the airport. Like DTW9 said they(NW) were given tons of power if they put X amount of dollars into the airport and they did thus giving them way to much say about who does what at DTW.

As far as JetBlue coming to DTW, I don't think it'd hurt NW except for the few routes they both fly together.......this is business and new products/airlines come and go.

But as I said before don't except JetBlue until 2008 at the earliest.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4894 times:

Stuart,

This is really good service to DTW and it is competitive with NW. It possible to make more service out of DTW.


User currently offlineDtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4866 times:

Neilalp, i agree with your time frame, as we in michigan know ,the stautes of limitations on contracts in this state is seven years. Given that, the agreements with nwa will be worthless around that time and the new terminal should be finished [if nwa lets it] ,we should see a host of new entrants then

25 Rjpieces : From DTW I could only see them starting Florida flights; If they started transcon flights NW might respond a la Delta.
26 HlywdCatft : I know this sounds really far out... If Jet Blue and Oakland County could work something out like a joint project to make a new terminal at PTK, like
27 Dtw9 : PTK sounds interesting, but with Airtran and NW already going out of FNT [only 25 miles away as the crow flies] they are already draining people from
28 Airtran737 : Isn't PTK in a really really crappy part of Detroit?
29 Luv2fly : PTK is Pontiac area, Oakland County. DET is Detroit City Airport and yes a crappy area of the city, to say the least.
30 4everRC : I am in total agreement with AirTran737... If B6 tries to stir up any significant trouble at DTW, NW will do to them what DL did to them at ATL -- the
31 Glideslope : By 2008 B6 will be in a much better position than the situation in ATL.
32 Capt.Fantastic : I firmly believe that JetBlue could do very well in Detroit, offering great IFE and lower costs: two things that travelers do not get from Spirit OR t
33 Flyguy1 : The day B6 announces DTW service, is the day NW will announce 6 daily 757's from DTW to JFK
34 Elwood64151 : wn tried DET as did Proair, to short of runway for full loads, which the city will never lengthen, really can't cause of the cemetery on the north end
35 AIR757200 : lower costs: two things that travelers do not get from Spirit Commenting on fares: are these not low enough? DTW-LGA, $57 one way. DTW-FLL, $62 one w
36 Dtw9 : ELWOOD, DET is no place for any airline to set up shop, it is a jungle down there, not safe during the day let alone at night. also there are not alot
37 Post contains links Neilalp : Let me get this straight: You want B6 to set its sights on two companies who's future is, shall we say, in serious doubt? I know as you said you weren
38 MAH4546 : I could also see JetBlue heading west out of DTW to Long Beach. They won't. They have no more slots at Long Beach.
39 Warszawa : While i know they're probably more interested in DTW, i seriously hope B6 would consider Flint-KFNT, which is about 60 miles or so north -- slightly n
40 Ouboy79 : Just to throw something out there... TOL has had JBLU in their sites for a bit and they are considering throwing the nearly $2 million in local and fe
41 PSU.DTW.SCE : Just the usual "filler" article to put in the newspaper on a slow day. 1) Yeah, B6 may show up someday, in DTW, or FNT, in that order. Won't have too
42 Neilalp : M-59 is no more of a traffic nightmare then coming from Oakland County to DTW down I-75 to 94 or I-75 to 696 to the Southfield(M-39) to I-94. Your rig
43 ScottysAir : Warszawa, Yes, it is already service from FNT-FLL for saturday only service and so be it with NW already operate with Saturday flight.
44 Post contains links BH346 : They said that JetBlue was interested in Wichita a few months back... However, Detroit is a fairly large city so it is a possibility. I think a better
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