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Lone Star Airlines?  
User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

does anybody remember anything about this airline based in Dallas, TX? Are they still flying?

They were the first to start services between Chihuahua City (MEX) and USA.

Any info will be highly appreciated


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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

I remember them!

They used to fly a lot of EAS (Essential Air Service) in and out of DFW to smaller cities such as Enid and Ponca City Oklahoma. They flew Metros and then towards the end, the Dornier prop jobs with about 38 passengers. I cannot remember how they got their start though.


Jay


User currently offlineTxAgKuwait From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1803 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Not to confuse the issue, but there have been at least two Lone Star Airlines.

The first operated circa 1960 between Dallas and Houston with Martin-202s.

They were trying to emulate PSA (out west) in Texas as an intrastate air carrier. It was a great idea whose time had not yet come. Braniff and (to a lesser extent) Trans-Texas destroyed them in short order.

The later Lone Star was completely unrelated to the first and, as the previous poster noted, flew some EAS routes in and out of DFW. Jonesboro, AR; Eldorado, AR; Ponca City & Enid, OK, Paris, TX and Brownwood TX come to mind.

I lived in JBR for three years and Lone Star did not have the best of reputations.



User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Does anybody know how Lone Star went defunct?

Also does anybody remember Aspen Mountain Air and what happened to them?

blink



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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

Blink,

First of all, what the heck you doing down in Antartica of all places?
I've been meaning to ask you that for quite some time.


Yes, I also remember Aspen Mountain Air and if I am not mistaken, Lone Star became Aspen Mountain Air and tried a new business plan, but it did not work either............

Jay


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5008 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3612 times:

They used to fly out of STL for awhile as well, to Harrison Arkansas and points beyond I believe. I remember seeing their Metros from time to time at STL.
They changed their name to Aspen Mountain Air and did some EAS in Montana for awhile as well, if I remember correctly. Not sure when they went belly-up.



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User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3466 times:

I wonder if Big Sky purchased their Metro's, as you know Big Sky used to fly some EAS flights into DFW. Most of the EAS is now flown by Air Midwest or some other Mesa division.............

I sure miss Rio's yellow planes and Metro's twin otters and Convairs !!


Jay


User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 865 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3451 times:

check this site out: http://www.airchive.com/

its has quite a few timetable covers to look at with some info. Lone Star is listed under "Various".


chris



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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Actually,
Lone Star Airlines started as Exec Express based in Altus, Oklahoma and provided airservice into and out of Altus and a few more smaller communities in Oklahoma and Arkansas when Air Midwest dropped service to those cities.
Exec Express started with a fleet of Piper Navajos and actually flew a couple of Dornier Do228-200s as well as Beech C99s....
They picked up some routes in to St Louis via Mountain Home and Harrison Arkansas and even started flying from St. Louis over to Terre Haute and Bloomington, Indiana. That was all very shortlived. The Dornier 228s were sold to the then Springfield, Illinois based Midway Commuter/Fischer Bros. Aviation and the C99s were operated. Eventually they picked up more EAS routes Such as Ponca city and Enid Oklahoma flying down to Dallas/Ft. Worth. Some where along the way tho, they decided to Pull out of Indiana and refocus their hubbing into DFW. They still maintained the Service to STL thru Harrison and Mountain Home but as a result of the new Hub in DFW they changed their name to Lone Star Airlines. By Then they had dumped the Beech C99s and took on a fleet of Metroliner IIIs and Ordered the then new Dornier 328-100s...To which they flew to some of the border towns on the Mexico/Texas border into DFW. The Metroliners were delegated to the EAS routes and the Do328s were doing the long distance runs to Mexico due to their speed.
This service was going good and then came along Western Pacific Airlines.
They kind of needed a commuter affiliate to serve smaller communities ( I hope Im getting this part correct). Lone Star sold of the EAS routes and Metroliner fleet to Big Sky Airlines based In Montana. They operated the Oklahoma, Arkansas And Texas EAS routes under their own banner. The Do 328 operation was then moved to feed Western Pacific hubbing in Colorado Springs and changed its name then to Mountain Air Express. They operated that service until West Pac. fatally decided to move its Operation to Denver and that was the end of West Pac. Mountain Air continued on and was taken on as a United Express carrier and I believe the Company was merged or at least the Do328s were merged into Air Wisconsin's Denver operations. United had just terminated its contract with Mesa in Denver and Air Wisconsin redeployed the Do328s in the markets that were served by Mesa.
Meanwhile back in Oklahoma, the EAS flights continued on until about a couple years ago when Big Sky decided to sell their "southern" routes to the Mesa Air Groups and so the Lone Star Metros went to Big sky and those routes are now served by Mesa Airlines Beech 1900Ds.
Goodness I hope I got all that correct...That's about the gist of it tho....

Cheers, Access-Air



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3395 times:

They are featured in the original North American Airlines Handbook.

As of 1997..

Codes: AD/LSS
Scheduled Passenger ops
Cities Served: (USA) ASE BWD DEn DFW DRT ELD HOT JBR PNC ROW RUI STL TYS WDG WMH (MEX) CUU TRC

Code shares with American and Frontier. Exec Express II dba as both Aspen Mountain Air and Lone Star Airlines. The airline was founded in 1984 and started flying in February 1985. President and CEO was Don Martin. Company owned by Peak International. Operated 2 Metro III, 4 Metro 23, and 4 Do328.


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3372 times:

Didn't they fly into Fort Worth Meachum field..???


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Lono:

You are thinking of Ft Worth Airlines...One of the many offspring of Mid Pacific Airlines state side....Ther flew a fleet of YS-11s for short time but that service went buttoms up.....As did most of the Stateside MidPAc Airlines......
Another carrier that flew in to Meacham was Mesa Airlines..they experimented with service in there with CRJs when they first got them....but that too was short lived....

Access-Air



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User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Side note- I wish someone would come back to FTW!!!
Wishful thinking WN or CO with some flights to HOU/IAH OKC AUS etc  Smile
That would be great for me, and it is all about me  Big grin

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Not all pilots are alcoholics, we don't go to meetings


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Access-Air
Yes.. you are right... I remember now...
Thanks!



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

Aspen Mountain air flew a few more routes; I know they flew to ABI, SJT, and maybe SPS.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3239 times:

Hey Jay,I miss those yellow Dash7s,Twin Otters,and Beachcrafts 1900Cs too(the Yellow and and red striping looked good in the Rio colors.) The Rio aircraft used to be a fixture throughout Texas,being one of the first to codeshare with a major airline,such as Delta at DFW.

User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Lone Star really had two components: the Metros that were used on EAS routes and the Do-328s to Mexico. I cannot remember how everything transpired, but here's the best I can remember:

Lone Star was acquired by a Colorado investment company called Peak International, controlled by the Crown family. Peak, in turn, formed Exec Express II which, in turn, formed Aspen Mountain Air. Peak filed to have Lone Star's certificate transfered to Exec Express II. The official name of the airline was then Exec Express II d/b/a Aspen Mountain Air.

There was a spat between Peak/AMA and a start-up called Jet Aspen, who was planning to use BAe-146s. It was controlled by Harold Parretti, a long-time airline exec, but nothing ever came of the airline.

In the end, Exec Express II/AMA out-sourced the EAS flying to Metro Airlines (San Antonio), which took on three passenger Metros for the service, while AMA maintained the stations. This was until AMA could get out of the EAS contracts and focus solely on the Do-328 operation.

At one point, AMA had applied for slots to Chicago/O'Hare and planned to expand by connecting points in the US midwest with Branson, MO. This was the final stages of AMA's life, though.

Once LSA/AMA had the Do-328s for service to Mexico (also Pensacola, FL), a minimal codeshare was started with American Airlines, which continued until the demise of AMA.

Hope this helps.


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