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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

I have a very odd interest in the arming and disarming of doors. I know two, one from a Canadian 767 Flight Attendant Home Review tape I got on eBay, and one from watching a flight attendant.

767/Disarm
1. Lift the plastic cover.
2. Press the yellow button on the side of the box, and slide the handle down.
3. Shut the plastic cover.
4. Verify the door is disarmed by the absence of both the emergency placard and the girt bar lockdown indicators.

767/Arm
1. Close the door and lock it, by pull down on the rotating arm.
2. Lift the plastic cover.
3. Push the handle up.
4. Shut the plastic cover,
5. Verify the door is armed by the emergency placard the the red girt bard lockdown indicators.

757/Disarm
1. Remove the strip from the window.
2. Pull the handle to the right until the placard says "Disarmed".

757/Arm
1. Put the strip in front of the window.
2. Pull the handle to the left until the placard says "Armed".

Does any one else know how to arm/disarm different doors. I understand MD-80s, 717s, DC-9s, 727s and 737s have a piece of cloth that connects to the door. I'm especially interested in the Airbuses (those doors look complicated) and the 747s and 777s.

Thanks,
AAndrew

Edit: Had the 767 handle positions mixed up.

[Edited 2004-07-19 20:43:11]

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User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Your interest certainly is odd, if not suspicious, and I as for one as cabin crew would not tell you the proccedures for arming/disarming an aircraft door.


Why do you need or want to know?

If youre that interested in it, wait until your 19 and apply for an airline, then learn how to do it without seeming so weird.

[Edited 2004-07-19 21:01:12]

User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

I think only a f/a would know that information. And why do you need to know this? I don't want to be mean but just b/c you saw the video and it tells you how to do it I don't think when the capt. come over the pa with "F/a please arm doors for departure" that you wouldn't really be able to do it......

Thanks again and not trying to be an ass at all!

UA777222



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User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

SammyHostie,

i really fail to understand your attitude in all your posts. . arming and disarming is not that confidential. passengers watch us do that all the time, and they even ask. he is just a kid, and he is interested in aviation give him a break, would you!

as for the original post:
aa757first,

the 777 doors are armed and disarmed by lifting up a plastic cover, where the lever is, there are two color indicators, red = Armed, Greend=Disarmed. you just position the thing to either arm and disarm.

A330, A340, a lever with a yellow color, which can be switched from two sides Armed and disarmed.

older planes such as the 737, 727, you have to do it manually by locking the gritbar by your self

i hope this helps


User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

aa757first

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User currently offlineSammyhostie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Fly Emirates,

So what else would you tell him? Every command? The command which is pretty much universal between airlines bar a few words for an emergency situation?

Passengers, 13 years old or not do not need to know that kind of information.I think you would be misusing your knowledge, training and personal integrity.

Perhaps its a difference between countries and subsequently crews, but the information we are taught has always been held to almost sacred stakes in every airline I have worked with in the UK.


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3343 times:

I thought this my happen. First of all, like I said, I sat there at watched the flight attendant dis/arm her door.


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There are instructions on dis/arming the doors. I suppose Delta and Continental are breaking the law. I know Continental's doors even explain what Disarm and Arm mean.

Anyway, since it seems this may be confidential information of some sort, don't post it. I don't want to get any employees in trouble with their airlines.

UA777222,
If I understand what you are saying, I realize I'm not going to be dis/arming any doors. I just wondered how they worked.

Thanks Anyway,
AAndrew


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

I think whats funner is actually operating an aircraft cabin door...kind of a side thing I have w/ airliners are there doors... just opening and closing them can be a challege and its neat to be able to get that technical involvement with the aircraft. They come in all shapes, sizes, and many operate in all kinds of unique ways. As far as arming and disarming, thats simply for slide deployment obviously. You can also disarm an aircraft door from the outside. Auto disarm is on pretty much all aircraft except the 737s, 727s, 707s, and DC-9/ MD-80 aircraft.

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Aa757first and Flyboy80, you two rock! Do not ask me why, but I have the same *fascination* with aircraft doors.

I have a very odd interest in the arming and disarming of doors. I know two, one from a Canadian 767 Flight Attendant Home Review tape I got on eBay
I have the 747 tape (it is from the same seller) and that is very fascination, as it explains all of the emergency functions on the 747.

For the rest of you, it is pretty hard to do anything harmful with the knowledge of aircraft doors. If anything, I think it is a good thing to know, in the event that something should happen where the doors are no longer armed.

Flight attendants openly arm/disarm the doors, so it is nothing secret - not to mention the numerous FA manuals that go up on eBay (as well as the ones I own from trade shows), emergency announcements, etc. Do note, though, that as with most of these items, the sellers are careful who they sell the item to.

No dangers here, folks.

AA and Flyboy, considered yourselves added to my respected users list. Send me an e-mail for my AIM is you want to talk more.

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-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Sammyhostie,

I don't understand your attitude either...how could that arming/disarming information be harmful? Besides, what does it matter how old someone is. Quite rude comments...

What if AA757first will notice one day after flight that F/A have forgot to disarm the door? Then he could inform the crew and prevent incident...

A short story from the real life....Couple of years ago I was in the work entering to B737... Ground handling company didn't drive stairs to backdoor and I couldn't enter the plane from there like I usually do. Well, I walked inside to the airbridge and entered to the aircraft through the front door. I walked to the back galley and on my way noticed that rampman was just driving the stairs in position. I should had been waiting still few minutes and everything would have been easier... no need to walk so much. Just my luck! I arrived to back galley and frightened when I looked the closed back door. It was ARMED!!! If I would have been opening that door outside I wouldn't perhaps being able to tell this story now......

Who knows, maybe someone (like AA757first) might prevent this kind of situation someday....

Best Regards,
FinnWings


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Thanks everyone. I didn't see the harm in asking this question. What harm could it do? SafetyDude, what keywords do you use to find your flight attendant manuals?

AAndrew


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3241 times:

Hey I think this is an aviation forum and most of us have an interest or just want to know more how something works or how you perform certain functions on board. So good question and sorry for the grief you were given.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

SafetyDude, what keywords do you use to find your flight attendant manuals?
"Flight attendant manual", "Attendant manual", and "Stewardess manual".  Wink/being sarcastic

Also, I would like to point out the Tech/Ops forum, where I and many others have asked numerous door questions, and all have gotten a large amount of replies.

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-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

the information we are taught has always been held to almost sacred stakes in every airline I have worked with

Its just one way of making you feel better about yourselves considering how badly you get paid and the conditions you work under.

A number of airlines actually instruct passengers in exit rows about arming/disarming procedures as part of the safety briefing. More awareness is a GOOD thing.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

B747-437B, don't be such a hardass. These people are there to serve us and in the event of an emergency help us. Just remember that next time you fly and say you might be sick. It's a good thing there are people like you out there that s*** on these people so they have grown to just ignore your stupid remarks.

No hard feelings AA757first at all! Just a rather out of left field question. Yet still a good ?. To be honest with you I have no idea. I have been on many flights and haven't seen them arm/disarm the doors at all. I guess the only reason we don't need to know is b/c the only time we (pax) will be opening the doors are when they are armed and in an emergency.

NEW QUESTION!!- Are all the exits over the wing perminitally armed? I saw the picture of the capt. exiting the a/c and no slides deploying to sweep off the wing. If this is that easy then can a pax accidentally de-arm the doors that they are next to?

Thanks again!

UA777222



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

UA777222,

Overwing doors are always armed, however, some do not have evacuation slides. The A320 and B767 aircraft do, the B737 and MD-80s do not. I imagine it has something to do with how far the wing is from the ground.

AAndrew


User currently offlineCKT523 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

sammyhostie chill out love, hes 13, hardly a PRIME terrorist candidate and also,why would anyone want to arm or disarm a door for the hell of it? not as if u can open it midflight. calm ureself.

User currently offlineFly_emirates From United Arab Emirates, joined Oct 2000, 1046 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Sammyhostie,

maybe you should get realistic! what he requested was an obvious thing that is seen every time by the public.. now if he asked how to get through the sealed cockpit door then i would be concerned. maybe you should hit your brakes a little bit darlin! i hope that you don't have that attitude on the airplane either


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3138 times:


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So are all of these doors disarmed? Or do they just not have slides? Thanks for any responces!

Thanks again guys! And take a chill pill Sammyhostie!

UA777222



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3136 times:
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the information we are taught has always been held to almost sacred stakes in every airline I have worked with

Come on,
I'm with B747-437B on this. Arming/Disarming information for passenger doors on public transport aircraft has to be clearly placarded, it is a legal requirement. Since the informatio is clearly placarded, and passengers in adjacent seats can clearly see doors being armed/disarmed, the information isn't very "sacred" is it?

Find it hard to believe that the UK CAA would approve an airline's Ops manual that inluded procedures whereby selected safety information is witheld as "sacred"

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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3114 times:

NEW QUESTION!!- Are all the exits over the wing perminitally armed? I saw the picture of the capt. exiting the a/c and no slides deploying to sweep off the wing. If this is that easy then can a pax accidentally de-arm the doors that they are next to?

Although a bit lengthy, this topic answers that question and much more about OW exits. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/92899/4/

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-Will



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User currently offlineJetMARC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I too find a/c doors fascinating. I love watching crews open and close 'em, F/As preparing 'em. I also love pictures of blown slides, dont know why, it's just cool to me...

I was under the impression from my all my different airline training that anything 'sacred' (such as security procedures) wasn't to be printed in the flight attendant manual anyways, but rather commited to memory in the event that should you misplace your manual or have it stolen, sensitive information wouldn't be floating around.

The arming and disarming of doors is public information, done everyday infront of passengers and announced over the PA system. Placards and instructions are clearly printed on the doors too.

As for slides always being armed, I heard at some airlines there is always at least one door armed during boarding to aid in an evacuation if necessary on some larger a/c. Some doors like on the B747 overwing exits (3L/R) are not to be opened when the a/c is fully fueled as you wont be able to reclose the door because the airframe warps due to the weight of fuel in the wing tanks.

Anyways, I think its a fascinating interest and thats why I collect safety information cards and began collecting photos of blown slides and participate in evacuation drills whenever possible....



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

As for slides always being armed, I heard at some airlines there is always at least one door armed during boarding to aid in an evacuation if necessary on some larger a/c.

I have always wondered about what would happen if the plane needed to be evacuated on the ground. Does any other airline do this? (Question opened to the public.)

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-Will



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

UA777222,

I think I have answers to your photos. The first two, the DC-9 and B738 do not have any slides at all, so they can be opened. The DC-10 door, to me at least, doesn't look like a true overwing emergency exit in the sense that it is like the main doors, not the hatch type exits.

AAndrew


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3023 times:

Wow, somebody actually stood up to Sammyhostie, the prime example of a bitchy F/A, even off the job! Good for you Fly_emirates and FinnWings!

Sammy, you need to realize that you aren't God's gift to the air transport industry, and here's a little hint: not every damn thing you learn in your special training is confidential. Lordy...what can a 13 year old do with this information that would be so bad? Arm the doors? Oh geez, call the TSA, the police, somebody! The doors have been armed!

Relax and stop flaming people who ask questions. Things like this have been asked long before you arrvied, and they aren't going to stop now that you are here...no wonder British F/A's have unfortunately poor reputations, you certainly don't help the matter!

[Edited 2004-07-20 05:34:47]

25 PER744 : 744: Arm: Lift flap, remove pin, slide lever to arm/engaged, close flap Disarm: Lift flap, slide lever to disarm/disengaged, insert pin, close flap
26 Aa757first : Why do you need or want to know? I could ask that about 70% of the questions asked on A.net. I noticed an interesting thing about you. In one post: A
27 Xnv : When I was 5 years old I was traveling with my mom. We flew on a red-eye flight and at a stopover she dozed off for a few minutes. When she awoke I wa
28 Fly_emirates : well said XNV! i mean, just look at it this way.. sometimes when you breif the exit row passengers, especially on an A330 or a 777, they might ask abo
29 Flyboy80 : Its also really interesting about particular airline policys regarding operating procedures of the doors... some f/as may clarify here. But at many U.
30 Fly_emirates : flyboy80, my guess about the US Carriers is that. the airlines you have mentioned as far as i know has planes that arms and disarms manually.. and i h
31 Post contains images SafetyDude : Where do you keep the drink carts? Excellent question! But at many U.S. airlines the f/as are only suppose to arm/ dis-arm the doors and be done. they
32 Post contains links and images Leezyjet : MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Leezyjet Here's an A343 door that is unarmed. "I heard at some airlines there is always at least one door armed du
33 Post contains links and images SafetyDude : I just found this picture that gives a good idea of how the A310 door works. http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00154056&size=large
34 Persotvik : Hi As757first! Thank you for bringing up such a interesting subject. I'm a formerly Flight Attendant at Britannia Airways and worked on the B757 and B
35 NWAFA : When I was 13 like AAfirst (for me that would be a hundred years ago) I too would have wanted to know this information! As I wanted to know all about
36 Flyboy80 : Does the lock hinge system that the airbuses use work just like the 777, with the door raising up of the hinge before swinging out????
37 Sammyhostie : On all aircraft, if re-fuelling when boarding there has to be at least 2 ways out. Normally the L1 door will be open anyway for boarding, and then usu
38 FinnWings : On all aircraft, if re-fuelling when boarding there has to be at least 2 ways out. Normally the L1 door will be open anyway for boarding, and then usu
39 Post contains images SafetyDude : That is correct... there has to be enough staff as well in case of evacuation and seat belt sign off during re-fuelling. Fire department has to be inf
40 Sammyhostie : Finnwings, On any aeroplane there can only be a max 10% of the total pax load being infants. This is not as much an evacuation issue, but more do to w
41 FinnWings : Thanks Sammyhostie, That was the explanation which I tried to remember... FinnWings
42 Aa757first : But at many U.S. airlines the f/as are only suppose to arm/ dis-arm the doors and be done. they don't crack them or even touch the handle..its all up
43 CKT523 : I noticed this when watching Airline USA, the ramp agent will open and close the door, using the external handle. This, if you think, makes sense on a
44 Post contains images Leezyjet : When I worked at Bmi, the crews opened and closed the doors on all a/c types. We used to knock on the door to signal to the crew that the steps/jetty
45 Post contains images SafetyDude : but someone in BFS knocked on the door and the crew didn't check the slide was disarmed and opened the door causing the slide to blow out into the jet
46 Post contains images Leezyjet : "If this happened on a plane with a powerful slide (say a 744), would it be possible for the slide to knock the plane or destroy the jetway?" Could da
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