Cumulonimbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7736 times:
I have Been Hearing from some friends of mine that DL's new CEO is not happy about the CRJ. I was wondering if that is true. If that is the case would we start to possibly see Turboprops, and ERJ's possibly supplementing them? I think with all the Money they spent on CRJ's it would be Foolish to Replace them so soon. Maybe DL just is considering pulling them off of the 90min+ routes and supplementing them with MD 80's and 737's. Can you guys Please tell me If this Info may hold some truth to it or is it Just another rumor.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7550 times:
I myself find the CRJ one of, if not
THE
worst plane for comfort. Give me an ERJ any day of the week.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7546 times:
Its not CRJs the specific he dislikes, its regional jets in general.
He believes they are using them on routes that are entirely too long and subjecting passengers to discomfort.
Ord From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1370 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
There was an article a few months ago in which Delta's CEO said he didn't like the RJs on longer flights. They may pulled out of long flights as part of the reorganization due to be announced in August, but for the most part the RJs aren't going anywhere.
ASTROJET707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7518 times:
It is old news that DL flys CRJs and ERJs out of DFW to OAK and other destinations. Why would I fly an ERJ or CRJ on DL when I can fly and MD80 on AA with MRTC? I flew on AA2256 yesterday from OAK to DFW very enjoyable. DLs flight from from OAK to DFW departed OAK 60 minutes before AA. So
185 minutes on a CRJ......don't think so.
KKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7428 times:
American Eagle is also unhappy with the CRJ-700s. So much so, they recently canceled their order for 50 of them. Bombardier was not forthcoming with known issues with the plane prior to delivery, and was also unwilling to work with Eagle on various design specifications (swing out door, rather than the drop down door), etc.
From what I've been told (by an Eagle Exec.), Eagle is going back to Embraer to see about a 70-seat ERJ to replace the CRJs.
We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
MoneyShot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7407 times:
I had to do the DFW-DCA flight on a CRJ-700 and I guess it wasn't terribly bad but it was far from great. It was important for me to not think about being on a larger aircraft and being able to get a up and stretch a bit. Mind you, I could have gotten up on the CRJ but there really isn't anywhere to go so I didn't. In the end, it go me to where I was going. It would have been a bit better on a larger aircraft. I would do it again so long as it was as cheap as this flight ($240 SFO-DCA RT) and I get my WorldPerks miles.
BCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7398 times:
Well I'm glad to see that DL is finally coming around.
SLC - SEA for example.. it used to be 763s, 752 and 738s. It dropped to all 738s, MD-90s, and 2(!) CRJ2s! Well as of now (I checked dates for Thanksgiving), it is back to a 762, 738s and MD-90s. The CRJs are gone! Hooray!
Cumulonimbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7391 times:
Wow I was not aware that Eagle was not happy with Their CRJ 700's. What makes the Crj series so undesirable to these two airline Groups as opposed to the ERJ etc?
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7354 times:
For me it is the 2 seats on each side of the aircraft, give me the 1 seat side of an ERJ anyday of the week....
MoneyShot From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7339 times:
"What makes the Crj series so undesirable to these two airline Groups as opposed to the ERJ etc?"
I dunno, personally I have flown on both and I happen to like the ERJ a bit more myself. It just seems a bit more comfortable to me. Maybe it is because they have the 1-2 seating which make it seem a bit less crowded.
KKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
Greg,
Apparently Eagle had an option (or an order) for 50 additional CRJs, which their had already secured financing for, however, due to Bombardier's unwillingness to work with Eagle on design specifications and/or fixes for ongoing problems with the CRJs, Eagle decided to cancel their option/order for the additional 50 CRJs.
This was a topic I myself specifically brought up during a recent meeting I had, at which a top Eagle executive advised us accordingly.
We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1589 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7137 times:
Well part of the problem w/ CRJs is the pricing structure these legacies employ that dictate using this type. DL is being squeezed out of DFW so it has no other choice but to go to CRJ. They could EASILY fly the routes mentioned above (and have in the past) w/ 737/MD88 size and up by offering competitive fares. But, wait, we all know that doesn't make them money so its easier to focus on core groups of 40 -70 people than a market of over 400+. Same story w/ all the other majors flying RJs on major routes. The invention of the RJ is great, but at first they mainly fed smaller cities, further out to the hubs. Now they are being used to replace the big jets (737s up) on routes the majors can't competively compete on. Its so ironic that the likes of WN can fly multiple daily 737s between multiple less popular and populated city pairs and makes $$$, yet, we find all the majors flying RJS between cities like Dallas and DC, SLC and SEA, Houston and Latin America and so on. The RJS provide a good role in the industry, but they are being over utilized and presented as a fast solution to a big problem the airlines have, and that is pricing to equal profit.
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6996 times:
in my opinion, the DL CEO is one of the 2 true "airplane buffs" in the industry (the other one being Gordon Bethune, but we know he's retiring, so soon Grunstein will be the only 1, unfortunantly). He believes in what we believe in. I don't know how many times I've heard you all complain about the widget, the lack of service to _____, and those damn RJ flights that are 3 hours long! I do expect that when the CEO announces his "reorginazation" that we may see a return to an older style. For example, DFW-OAK in a MD80 or MD90, possibly flights like DFW-JFK going to mainline again. I know that Jerry has been CEO since Janruray, but these changes take time. I will bet that by the end of the year, however, we will see many changes (some of which are being announced now with the expansion of flights).
Dvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6939 times:
I'm only 5'8", but I find flying in a window seat of a CRJ absolutely miserable. The curvature of the fuselage against the narrow seat leaves no room for movement or comfort of any kind. It has to be much worse for the average American male who's taller than I am. Living in BHM, I have to fly Delta a lot, and I would welcome a return to more mainline aircraft on longer flights.
I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6890 times:
"in my opinion, the DL CEO is one of the 2 true "airplane buffs" in the industry (the other one being Gordon Bethune, but we know he's retiring, so soon Grunstein will be the only 1, unfortunantly)."
Being an airplane buff should have nothing to do with it (at least I hope not, when you are in charge of a company like DL or CO and responsible for the fortunes and livelihood of thousands)..they have to do what makes economic sense! Do you think Delta would deliberately put an RJ on a route if they could easily fill a 767 profitably on the route? Remember, Bethune was also one of the first to start using 737s on transcons (and people were screaming about that) and 757s on transatlantic runs. If and when Grinstein decides to switch some mainline a/c back onto some RJ routes, I certainly hope he does it for the right economic reasons...
KITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 359 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6867 times:
Anyone have any idea of the plans for "reorganization" by Mr. Grinstein? -Matt in KITH
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6834 times:
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6835 times:
i think the crj700 and crj900 are great a/c with the larger feel in the cabin, simply due to the larger windows, now the crj200 is the armpit of the world. i was impressed when i heard that people that flew independence air on the crj200 enjoyed their flights, now again, short flights, but wheni flew hp express cmh-phl, i dreaded even the hour flight on the crj200. too bad embraer couldnt build the erj so it could fly better out west, especially in phx, with the hot/high conditions of the desert during the summer.
Skibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6703 times:
Since DL is having issues cutting costs, maybe the issue that the DL CEO has is that the RJs actually have a higher cost per seat than a mainline jet. Even though the crew costs are much less, the thing to remember is there is much less seats on an RJ. This is usually offset by applying greater frequency of flights between city pairs, which the RJ is good at doing. (high volume - low margin model) But maybe due to the higher cost per seat of an RJ, maybe the CEO is looking at reducing frequencies and replacing the RJ with mainline jets. Again, the mainline jets would reduce the cost per seat and with the reduced frequency they could probably fill more seats (assuming demand is still present). This would shift to a low volume - high margin model.
Bostonguy From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 514 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6606 times:
I've done CRJ's between BOS and MCO via DCA. Frankly, I didn't find the CRJ less comfortable than an MD-80, 757, etc. I much prefer the wider fuselage of the CRJ than the EMJ.
And, if Delta's "re-organization" is oriented around satisfying "airplane buffs" then sell your stock now before you're completely wiped out!
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2969 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6554 times:
I'm only 5'8", but I find flying in a window seat of a CRJ absolutely miserable. The curvature of the fuselage against the narrow seat leaves no room for movement or comfort of any kind.
I am 6'7", and was stuck in 1A on the CRJ-200 from CVG-DFW a week and a half ago. That was pure misery. The fuselage cut into my side the whole way.
As someone commented, the CRJ-700 seems a bit better. I flew one from DFW-JFK, one of the afforementioned 3 hour flights.
Still, I'd rather have a larger aircraft. Maybe the EMB-170 will be more comfortable, it looks so from the pics. If I had my druthers, it would be an MD-88 over any RJ on DL.
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
KITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 359 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6394 times:
AHHHH! I have all CRJ segments booked for next week! Oh no! Save me. That aside, I prefer them to the ERJ because they are wider and have more of a "big airplane feel" then the small 2-1 ERJ. -Matt in KITH
25 MidnightMike: Those RJ are the worst for passenger comfort, never, never again. Damn RJ's have me reviewing the schedule & checking equipment before purchasing a ti
26 PSU.DTW.SCE: Eagle never had orders or options for more than 25 CR7's. This was all that was agreed to in the scope clause in terms of 70 seaters.
27 Douglas7Seas: Had the chance to fly the ERJ a while back, PDX to somewhere in Wyoming, I think... It's been a while. I found the experience similar to flying in a C
28 XFSUgimpLB41X: Remember- the ERJ is nothing but a brasilia with a diferent wing and a pair of jet engines strapped on it. Not to mention its a tiny cabin. Id take th
29 NWA Man: I find i sleep really well on them Especially in the left seat up front, right? (and I'm not talking about 1A...) [Edited 2004-07-21 08:35:16]
30 Widget1580: I can't stand the windows on the CRJ-200s, you have to bend down to look out. After a 2 hour flight you get a kink in your neck (or at least I do beca
31 Elwood64151: Give me an ERJ any day of the week. I prefer being able to stand-up straight, something I can't do in the E-135/145... and subjecting passengers to di
32 Luv2fly: Elwood64151 Like always I would have to agree with you. I think the ERJ's/CRJ's have been used outside of what they should have been used for. I.E. sh
33 PHLBOS: Hey great opportunity to order some 717s Delta. Maybe Boeing will buy back the CRJs from Delta... that was a joke, but actually not a bad idea. Then D
34 Atcboy73: I will never fly a CRJ-200 again because the windows are so low. NEVER! Guess Comair and some others are not getting my business.
35 Luv2fly: I can live with the windows though not happy with the design, it is just the whole plane is so uncomfortable to be in for any amount of time. Window s
36 Jeffrito: OK ... isn't the big reason for the proliferation of RJ's on mainline routes that the RJ pilot is a whole lot cheaper than the 737/MD80 pilot? If you
37 Greg: KKM.....oddly, AAEagle had no additional financing secured for any further CR7 options or orders---nor has there been any (last 27 months). I think it
38 David T: I will be flying the CRJ 900 from YEG to PHX next month, approx. 3 1/2 hours on this thing in row 4. Is there any news on America West's (Express) opi
39 ERJ170: i don't mind flying whatever.. CRJ, ERJ, MD80, 737, 757, 320, whatever.. But for the CRJ and ERJ.. when you sit in the seats next to the windows.. it
40 Gigneil: Being an airplane buff should have nothing to do with it (at least I hope not, when you are in charge of a company like DL or CO and responsible for t
41 Planemaker: Actualy, I'm 5'11" and normally have this problem on Airbii and Embraers... Not CRJs... Elmwood... you're joking, right!! Otherwise, you have obviousl
42 Drerx7: I actually prefer ERJs over CRJs--the 2-1 layout is more comfortable than the 2-2 on the CRJ. The windows on the CRJ are also positioned very low--giv
43 Ifly2eat: Everyone needs to keep in mind that the CASM on an RJ is astronomical. That's fine on smaller markets where LCC's have not invaded but when you try to
44 AZjetgeek: Having never flown on an RJ, it's somewhat difficult for me to make a judgment on their attributes and detractors. However, I continue to read a great
45 Gigneil: It seems odd that US appears to be the only carrier in the United States willing to acquire the Embraer 170. Republic has now ordered 18, for United E
46 AZjetgeek: Thanks for the correction about which carriers are using the 170's. However, US still remains the only carrier that has them in service at present. DL
47 Ord: "...the major carriers, especially DL, are looking for ways to cut expenses as much as possible. Using the smaller RJ's on two-hour (and longer) fligh
48 KITH: I was on an Embraer Legacy today, best flight i've ever had...plenty of room! -Matt in KITH
49 DfwRevolution: Otherwise, you have obviously NEVER been in an A319/320!!!! The cabin is bigger than the 737/757!!! And the CRJ200 has virtually the same 6' cabin hei
50 N6376m: look, the public needs to decide. Do they want comfort or do they want frequency? If people want multiple flights a day from certain city pairs then a
51 Kcrwflyer: i think that if they got rid of RJ's and went to all mainline, A lot of smaller airports would loose service from them. I can think of 2 in WV, HTS an
52 Tasha: Luv2fly: I have to agree with you. The CRJ is exceptionally uncomfortable to fly on flights longer than maybe an hour or so. The seat pitch (ASA) is t
54 Luv2fly: Tasha Being 5'9 and on the slim side myself the CRJ is THE most uncomfortable plane I have ever been on. Recently took it from TVC to DTW on a less th
55 Greg: I'm 6-2 at about 180...and while not the most comfortable seat in the house, I don't find the CR7 any more or less comfortable than a coach window sea
56 Widget1580: SBN gets crap for service..... Comair/ ACA - FRJs CRJs and one CR7 to CVG ASA/ Comair- 3 CRJs to ATL (soon to be 2 CR7s!) Pinnacle- CRJs to DTW and on
57 Kcrwflyer: Get serious man. Thats descent. Then again, i dont know how many people that airport serves. CRW gets ok if thats crap. PSA- 3 do 328's to PIT Mesa- 1
58 Milesrich: Why should he be happy with them? They cannot make money flying them. Their costs are close to if not over 11 ppm. The idea of flying those airplanes
59 Jrlander: I believe the CRJ's make sense on certain shorter routes, which is what I think Grinstein is getting at. Flying them up to 2 hours isn't bad. It is th
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