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MSY Runway Closure = Larger Aircraft?  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

At an airport manager's meeting the other day, airport officials were talking about the planned closure of runway 10/28 (MSY's longest runway at 10,120ft.) which will take place in January 2005. The runway will remain closed for nine months, so all aircraft will have to utilize the shorter runway 1/19 (7,000ft.). This will mean that some longer flights will have to be weight restricted once late Spring/Summer 2005 rolls around. The United manager mentioned that UA will probably bring in larger aircraft (757's) to handle the LAX/SFO runs while the long runway is closed. Also, I'd expect to see some NWA DC-9's get replaced with more Airbus aircraft, especially on the MSP flights which tend to get weight restricted frequently. America West might have a tough time getting a full 733 off the 7000ft. runway on its PHX run. I could see them upgrading to a 320. Southwest may have some problems taking a full load to LAS/LAX/SAN/OAK, but they can't exactly do an equipment upgrade. Things should be interesting around here as of January.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I'm surprised they're doing so before the Mardi Gras rush... oh well, will make for some great spotting at Rwy19  Big thumbs up

User currently offlineJ32driver From United States of America, joined May 2000, 399 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Good. Maybe you guys will fix that ditch in runway 10 thats right around the 1000' markers. Everytime I do a takeoff I get my spine compressed.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

...they shut the runway down to work on that a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, it's a persistant problem (unsettled ground) that's existed for quite a while, and will probably present itself once again.  Sad

User currently offlinePhxairfan From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 811 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

MSYtristar, Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Southwest's 737-700s shouldn't have much of problem operating the longer flights from New Orleans from the shorter runway.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

MSYtristar, Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?

Building runways on lower-than-sea-level swampland wasn't the greatest choice in the world, but unfortunately, the only choice we had.

Sinkage is a problem (foam underpadding assists), as well as runway fatigue: as a result Rwy1/19 was rebuilt for the first time in about a quarter century last year, and now it's time for Rwy10/28 to experience the same.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Why would Southwest have any problems taking off from a 7000 foot runway? Aren't the runways at MDW a lot shorter?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Aren't the runways at MDW a lot shorter?

...yes, but the heat index there doesn't routinely top 100 either  Big grin

Then again, MSY has the elevation advantage. So who knows.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2223 times:

Why are they taking the runway down? Are they doing maintenance or repaving or something?

We're doing a complete reconstruction of the runway, and most of the parallel taxiway. We did the same thing with 1/19 last fall.

Maybe you guys will fix that ditch in runway 10 thats right around the 1000' markers. Everytime I do a takeoff I get my spine compressed.

That 'ditch' exists because the State of Louisiana, in their infinite wisdom, insisted that we build a tunnel underneath the runway while we were extending the runway back in the late 80's. They wanted to provide for a future connection from Airline Highway to Veterans Blvd on the west end of the field. To date, the state has not come up with the needed funds to complete the road. The tunnel remains sealed off to this day. Blame the state for that one, not the airport.

...they shut the runway down to work on that a couple of months ago. Unfortunately, it's a persistant problem (unsettled ground) that's existed for quite a while, and will probably present itself once again.

The problem is actually that the area around the tunnel is what settles over time. The concrete over the tunnel hasn't budged an inch in 15 years. Consequently, the paved areas abutting the surface over the tunnel can get some very annoysome bumps/edges. We have to go back every few years, and mill and repave both sides. Again, blame the state's DOT.

I recall seeing some video that one of our consultants took years ago, showing a CO MD-80 departing runway 10.....once he reached the tunnel, the nose wheel actually came off the ground, plopped back down, and repeated the process on the far side of the tunnel. I also recalled an AA DC-10 pilot commenting that the 'dip' (as we call it) was like an E-ticket ride at Disneyland.

Tom at MSY






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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17015 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2193 times:

Building runways on lower-than-sea-level swampland wasn't the greatest choice in the world, but unfortunately, the only choice we had.

If you think you have problems, go to Osaka Kansai Big grin I wonder if it still sinks 30 cm a year?



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