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DL Will Keep 777s On Order  
User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6203 times:


Looks like they will defer the deliveries instead of selling the planes!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040722/clth018_1.html

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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5078 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6113 times:

Good to hear that they'll keep the 777s and 737s on order!


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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6087 times:

Good to hear that they'll keep the 777s and 737s on order!
Yes, but with a deferred delivery, the topics on here about what Delta is going to do with its fleet are just going to be more confusing and complicated. I guess with more 777s coming in 07-09, we should not expect a 7E7 order soon?  Wink/being sarcastic

-Will



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6066 times:

Until they get the financial house in order I would not expect any plane orders anytime soon.


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Luv2fly is right. DL is in no position to order new aircraft...their survival right now outweighs the need for new aircraft...though I must say it is incredibly awesome that they will keep their remaining 777s on order Big thumbs up  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

If there is one thing that I have to complain for about DL, it is the size of their 777 fleet. It needs to get bigger Big thumbs up But in order for it to get bigger, DL has to survive this nightmare of cash shortage.


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User currently offlineDAL7001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5891 times:

I believe the 5 remaining MD11's will fill the gap between now and when delivery takes place of the additional 777's.


KATL
User currently offlineNW7e7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5870 times:

Did I miss something?? What 5 MD11's?? I thought they were all retired to the desert.

User currently offlineDAL7001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

A mix of them are at YMX and GYR. Talk is that we may activate these soon.


KATL
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Is that DL will keep with 777 aircraft in the long time and how much longer will decide to keep them?

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13255 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5653 times:
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Take a look at the current payscale for 777 captains vs. the pay for the same equipment at AA, CO and UA - THIS is why DL is deferring the 777 deliveries:

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/dal/dal.htm
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/aa/aa.htm
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/ual/ual.htm
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/cal/cal.htm

The average top of scale pay for 777 captains at AA, CO and UA is $200/block hour. At DL it's $320/block hour.




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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5636 times:

Until they get the financial house in order I would not expect any plane orders anytime soon.
Sorry, folks. I thought I made it clear that I was not expecting a DL order anytime soon with the " Wink/being sarcastic".

What is the block rate for pilots on the MD-11?

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

I believe it tops out at $305 for captains and $208 for first officers.

jeremy


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5572 times:

With a recent quarterly loss of $2B, I'm wondering if DL's days are numbered; not mentioning how they intend to pay for their 777 deliveries.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5529 times:

Does anyone working for DL on here know if the MD-11s are truly coming back? That'd be sweet, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Jeremy


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2162 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

* Delta has entered into a definitive agreement to sell these eleven
737-800 aircraft to a third party immediately after those aircraft are
delivered to Delta by the manufacturer in 2005."


Who is Delta selling the 737-800s to?


User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

I don't think they ever specified, but I could be wrong.

jeremy


User currently offlineAVPOH77 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5486 times:

Is Delta responsible for the order of Regional Jets? Or is that DCI's responsiblity? Question being with these deferrals, does that mean all aircraft in the DL system or just mainline?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 5344 times:

They'll be useful once DL finally gets PRC rights

User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2015 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5098 times:
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I think they are realizing too that Asia is the market to be in right now, they have a very weak presence there unless they code-share with CO, NW, or KE. The additional 777's will help that tremendously, plus they are soon (next 7-8 years) going to need to start thinking about what to do with the 757's and 767's plus the MD-80's/90's. I think they are also trying to do their best to simplify their fleet as much as possible, they currently have a fairly good mix of different types. Including regional carriers and Song they have the following CRJ, CR7, ATR's, ERJ's, 732, 733, 738, 752, 762, 763, 764, 772, MD-80, MD-90. I'm sure that they could take a couple of those out to help simplify.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Did somebody say something about MD-11s?

User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

I thought the md90's were suppossed to be phased out in a couple years, theres only 16 of them so its a pretty small fleet. It might have changed by now but it was in one of there investor reports a while ago.

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

Did somebody say something about MD-11s?
Yes, it was mentioned that a few might be going back into service.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-Will



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

This is not the best news for Boeing. 113 options cancelled, many orders deffered.

User currently offlineDalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2506 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

* Delta has entered into a definitive agreement to sell these eleven
737-800 aircraft to a third party immediately after those aircraft are
delivered to Delta by the manufacturer in 2005.

Who is Delta selling the 737-800s to?


The 737-800 delivery positions were sold to Lombard Aviation. They are a leasing company


25 Nlink : If they needed additional pacific capicity wouldn't it make more sense to turn a few of the 767-400ER into intl config for Atlantic runs to replace th
26 Deltadude8 : Nlink...prob. would be cheaper to conver 764's...but they dont have 764s to spare...the whole point being that the MD11 is the cheapest way for DL to
27 TransPac : Now that we are digressing into Asia service expansion, what are the advantages of DL doing it with their own metal at this point? It might be a good
28 The777Man : Great news! At least deffering deliveries is a lot better than cancellations and or selling the slots to other companies. Looking forward to see the r
29 Goomba : If DL wants to tap the hot Asian market...they will need those MD-11's pretty soon.
30 Na : Whatever. This massive option cancellation is serious blow for Boeing. Again. And deferring all orders to after 2007 also. In fact that means that Del
31 Goomba : Na - That is very well put. Kudos and Accolades
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