SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4724 times:
I am just curious, what is their current 777 fleet, and do they have more 777s on order?
Also, is there an update with the rumor that they are bringing back their MD-11s?
Chrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 843 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4705 times:
always good to see that there will be something new to spot from Imperial Hill!
chris
Well nothing's dead down here, just a little tired
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4675 times:
Will-
Current fleet is 10 777-243ER's on the roster (6 owned, 4 leased). There's talk of converting some additional options to firm order, potentially including 777-343ER's. Their flights to JFK and NRT are constantly 100% full...
Currently 777's fly from MXP/FCO to the following destinations:
JFK/EWR/KIX/NRT/EZE/GRU and MIA (alternating with 763's).
5 MD11 Combi's are scheduled to be back on the roster in March '05 and will fly to ORD, DEL, and MIA (alternating with 777's).
Their 763 fleet is about to undergo refurbishment - with interiors similar to 777's being installed and IFE in every seat. Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.
Next year, in addition to LAX, they're starting service to Shanghai.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4646 times:
Wow, thank you!
Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.
One last question, does ILFC already have the four planes, or do they have to be ordered from Boeing?
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4600 times:
there are currently 4 unidentified 767 orders in Boeing's logbook - these are alledgedly the ones for ILFC/AZ...
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31155 posts, RR: 76 Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4540 times:
Thanks for the info Alitalia744.
While I think LAX is a logical choice for Alitalia, I've heard it so many times, I won't believe till you can book it. Though no doubt it makes perfect sense.
With regards to MIA, we are currently a 763 service. The 772 returns for the peak season, and is currently scheduled to operate MIA-MXP 29Oct04 through 31May05.
PanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2603 posts, RR: 10 Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
Klik,
They're expanding into places that will guarantee them profits, that will enable them to pay back their loan, as they'll be making money. If they use (part of) the money from the loan to lease/ buy B777-300ERs, they can most definitely fill the seats to at least a couple of destinations, say JFK, NRT, and MIA (in the winter). And more seats= more profit= more $ for Alitalia. I wish them the best of luck with their expansion, with hopes that they keep adding new aircraft and still make loads of cash !
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4351 times:
Hey
I dont know if AZ would start services to PHL because they already have a strong relation with DL they would probaly just code share flights there then doing a direct service. I find it funny that AZ doesnt opperate ATL.
Also does anyone no if AZs MD-11s will be installed with this new interior along with the 767?? I personally think that AZ should purchase some 764s and maybe one or two 773Ers
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4301 times:
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4272 times:
The 767s and 330s do not make sense, and the same with the 764s, 777s, and MD-11s. However, since we are on the topic of dream fleets, how about adding some 744s?
IDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4232 times:
I am very very happy to read this one, I remember when AZ flew to LAX using B747 and this was not long ago.... I always wondered the reason why this service was cancelled, perhaps because of DL alliance. I knew load factor was very good and also cargo wasn't bad, in fact sometimes AZ used MD-11 Combi for this route and actually there is a code-sharing flight operated by Cargolux via LUX, so I believe that this is the logical conclusion.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4226 times:
IDISA-
Benvenuti! Lavori per Alitalia? E-mail me sometime. I just got back from Italy and took IDISO "Positano."
Anyway, loads on the LAX flight were decent, and cargo was good. The problem was after 9/11, pax declined and AZ was faced with a shortage of aircraft. I'm surprised they started IAD before LAX tho...
YUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
AZ + LAX = good stuff!!!
Regarding the fleet, AZ should concentrate on the type of aircraft they already operate.
I can see AZ ordering the 7E7 to replace the 767 in the coming years - if they don't liquidate in the meantime - but they will have to “clean up to the house” before they do so!!!
It's becoming an interesting saga!
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Lxsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
I'm not so optimistic concerning AZ's future. So I'm not sure that AZ really will start this route. JUN 05 is too far and there are a lot of problems to resolve before wishing to start new routes!
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4670 posts, RR: 45 Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
I read an article yesterday which quoted Cimoli as saying "1 in 5 employees is redundant"
I think he's on the right track, but I'm not sure how layoffs will fly with Italians...hopefully they'll realize there's jobs elsewhere and let AZ live.
Azmd80 From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 289 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2740 times:
I think that one of the condition posed by EU for the aproval of the state loan is not to expand fleet (using state money to rise fleet is against free market in EU). For tht reason I think that further AC order (like 777 300 er or 764) to expand long haul fleet are not possible in the future.
Most probably AZ MD11 will be back in operational fleet to fill some route without new AC.
It cold be very expansive: I''ve red that there aren't enough crew that have manteined the authorization to fly on these aircraft. Also the AC need some check to obtain the operational status.
25 Behramjee: Alitalia MD11...your dream fleet for AZ would be a NIGHTMARE to the airline's bottom line. So many different acft types with diff ratings means diff c
26 MAH4546: MXP-LAX-MXP should do well as both are fashion capitals and the route should attract a lot of high yield pax flying J class on AZs B 777s which are pr
27 AirxLiban: In the 80's, I flew LAX-Milan (don't know if it was malpensa or linate) on AZ 747-200 and I remember going upstairs with the F/A to visit the cockpit
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