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Alitalia Back To LAX!  
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5931 times:

Alitalia is supposed to be starting daily MXP-LAX service beginning June 2005 operated with B777 aircraft...FYI


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5806 times:

Well, Is that good news for bring them back service to LAX again and let make very good warm welcome back.

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

I am just curious, what is their current 777 fleet, and do they have more 777s on order?

Also, is there an update with the rumor that they are bringing back their MD-11s?

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 857 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5748 times:


always good to see that there will be something new to spot from Imperial Hill!


chris



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Will-

Current fleet is 10 777-243ER's on the roster (6 owned, 4 leased). There's talk of converting some additional options to firm order, potentially including 777-343ER's. Their flights to JFK and NRT are constantly 100% full...

Currently 777's fly from MXP/FCO to the following destinations:
JFK/EWR/KIX/NRT/EZE/GRU and MIA (alternating with 763's).

5 MD11 Combi's are scheduled to be back on the roster in March '05 and will fly to ORD, DEL, and MIA (alternating with 777's).

Their 763 fleet is about to undergo refurbishment - with interiors similar to 777's being installed and IFE in every seat. Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.

Next year, in addition to LAX, they're starting service to Shanghai.

hope that helps.



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Wow, thank you!

Additionally, rumour has it they've just ordered (through ILFC) 4 additional 763ER's.
One last question, does ILFC already have the four planes, or do they have to be ordered from Boeing?

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

there are currently 4 unidentified 767 orders in Boeing's logbook - these are alledgedly the ones for ILFC/AZ...

that's what I've been told, but may be rumoured..



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5616 times:

Alright. Thanks again.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineAVPOH77 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

When is AZ coming to PHL? It would be a logical choice with the amount of Italians that live in the Delaware Valley.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Thanks for the info Alitalia744.

While I think LAX is a logical choice for Alitalia, I've heard it so many times, I won't believe till you can book it. Though no doubt it makes perfect sense.

With regards to MIA, we are currently a 763 service. The 772 returns for the peak season, and is currently scheduled to operate MIA-MXP 29Oct04 through 31May05.



a.
User currently offlineKlik From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Anyone read BA's response to all this expansion? Check out http://www.britishairways.com/cgi-bin/press/view_article.pl?year=2004&month=07&day=19&index=0&reference=062/KG/04&title=Call%20to%20reject%20Alitalia%20rescue&mail=contact&image=none&position=none&caption= for their press release... And really, you can't help but agree with them... Why should AZ be allowed to expand this quickly while getting a state-guaranteed loan?

klik


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Yes, this is one of service to MIA is used on the B777 aircraft and will make during for peak season flight.

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Klik,

They're expanding into places that will guarantee them profits, that will enable them to pay back their loan, as they'll be making money. If they use (part of) the money from the loan to lease/ buy B777-300ERs, they can most definitely fill the seats to at least a couple of destinations, say JFK, NRT, and MIA (in the winter). And more seats= more profit= more $ for Alitalia. I wish them the best of luck with their expansion, with hopes that they keep adding new aircraft and still make loads of cash  Big thumbs up!


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5394 times:

Hey



I dont know if AZ would start services to PHL because they already have a strong relation with DL they would probaly just code share flights there then doing a direct service. I find it funny that AZ doesnt opperate ATL.

Also does anyone no if AZs MD-11s will be installed with this new interior along with the 767?? I personally think that AZ should purchase some 764s and maybe one or two 773Ers

My dream fleet for AZ would be

14 B772s
6 B763
3 B764
7 MD-11s
2 B773ER
20 A320s
10 A319s
10 E170s
7 A330s

thanks



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

what's with all the long haul types? Cut to the 777s and the 767s.


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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Did Alitalia not mention that it wanted to fly to Montreal according to their master plan?



User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

AlitaliaMD11-

AZ's long-term fleet plan is most likely

6 777-300ER
14 777-200ER
17 767-300ER
23 A321-100
20 A320-200
40 A319-100
20 EMB-170
10 EMB-145

7E7's to replace 763's eventually....



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5315 times:

14 B772s
6 B763
3 B764
7 MD-11s
2 B773ER
20 A320s
10 A319s
10 E170s
7 A330s


The 767s and 330s do not make sense, and the same with the 764s, 777s, and MD-11s. However, since we are on the topic of dream fleets, how about adding some 744s?

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineIDISA From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5275 times:

I am very very happy to read this one, I remember when AZ flew to LAX using B747 and this was not long ago.... I always wondered the reason why this service was cancelled, perhaps because of DL alliance. I knew load factor was very good and also cargo wasn't bad, in fact sometimes AZ used MD-11 Combi for this route and actually there is a code-sharing flight operated by Cargolux via LUX, so I believe that this is the logical conclusion.  Smile

Ciao



User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

IDISA-

Benvenuti! Lavori per Alitalia? E-mail me sometime. I just got back from Italy and took IDISO "Positano."

Anyway, loads on the LAX flight were decent, and cargo was good. The problem was after 9/11, pax declined and AZ was faced with a shortage of aircraft. I'm surprised they started IAD before LAX tho...

 Smile
-Gus



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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

AZ + LAX = good stuff!!!

Regarding the fleet, AZ should concentrate on the type of aircraft they already operate.

I can see AZ ordering the 7E7 to replace the 767 in the coming years - if they don't liquidate in the meantime - but they will have to “clean up to the house” before they do so!!!

It's becoming an interesting saga!



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User currently offlineLxsaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 325 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5116 times:

I'm not so optimistic concerning AZ's future. So I'm not sure that AZ really will start this route. JUN 05 is too far and there are a lot of problems to resolve before wishing to start new routes!

User currently offlineAngelairways From United Kingdom, joined Nov 1999, 501 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

Unfortunately, if they dont cut their labour costs, Alitalia's long term future may not extend beyond the end of the year...

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

I read an article yesterday which quoted Cimoli as saying "1 in 5 employees is redundant"

I think he's on the right track, but I'm not sure how layoffs will fly with Italians...hopefully they'll realize there's jobs elsewhere and let AZ live.



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User currently offlineAzmd80 From Italy, joined Nov 2003, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

I think that one of the condition posed by EU for the aproval of the state loan is not to expand fleet (using state money to rise fleet is against free market in EU). For tht reason I think that further AC order (like 777 300 er or 764) to expand long haul fleet are not possible in the future.

Most probably AZ MD11 will be back in operational fleet to fill some route without new AC.

It cold be very expansive: I''ve red that there aren't enough crew that have manteined the authorization to fly on these aircraft. Also the AC need some check to obtain the operational status.


25 Behramjee : Alitalia MD11...your dream fleet for AZ would be a NIGHTMARE to the airline's bottom line. So many different acft types with diff ratings means diff c
26 MAH4546 : MXP-LAX-MXP should do well as both are fashion capitals and the route should attract a lot of high yield pax flying J class on AZs B 777s which are pr
27 AirxLiban : In the 80's, I flew LAX-Milan (don't know if it was malpensa or linate) on AZ 747-200 and I remember going upstairs with the F/A to visit the cockpit
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